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is that referring to the original topic not be addressed? wasn't that answered many posts ago? you're not at the mercy of any "servicer" as they have to honor the terms of the original contract because they don't have the legal authority to change those terms.

they're probably scumbags and change them anyway and most uneducated/unaware/uncaring people just accept the new terms. legally, you don't have to.
 
I called them just now, while the online portion isn't set up yet, they told me my payoff date is the same (11/2018) and my monthly payment is just four cents less than before so that's fine. They also said the due date should be the same as before, including this month, meaning I have a payment due on the 28th of this month. They said none of the terms or interest rate had changed either, but we will see.

So far so good, I'll have to send them a payment through the mail today though.
 
is that referring to the original topic not be addressed? wasn't that answered many posts ago? you're not at the mercy of any "servicer" as they have to honor the terms of the original contract because they don't have the legal authority to change those terms.

they're probably scumbags and change them anyway and most uneducated/unaware/uncaring people just accept the new terms. legally, you don't have to.

So if they do change the terms, how do you go about fighting it in an effective manner?
 
Mohela is a shady company, a bunch of shysters and loan sharks. Everyone who had their loan transferred to Mohela is experiencing problems. Mohela will change the terms of your loan ---> ILLEGAL

I don't know about the States, but up here if you agree to any change, anything at all, they can cancel the old contractual arrangement.

Otherwise, they are stuck with it, but it doesn't stop them from trying. ;)
 
I called them just now, while the online portion isn't set up yet, they told me my payoff date is the same (11/2018) and my monthly payment is just four cents less than before so that's fine. They also said the due date should be the same as before, including this month, meaning I have a payment due on the 28th of this month. They said none of the terms or interest rate had changed either, but we will see.

So far so good, I'll have to send them a payment through the mail today though.

Document Document Document

Date. Who you talked to. What they said. What you said.

Start doing it now. You may not need this... But if you do you'll be glad you took the time.
 
So if they do change the terms, how do you go about fighting it in an effective manner?

I'm assuming that a single discussion with a CSR and stating that it's illegal will be enough to get it changed back. At that point, they could, in theory, state that it was a clerical error. If they press the issue, a simple managerial conversation would be find as well, especially when you ask for the new contract terms in writing.

A comparison of the two contracts should, in theory, be enough to get the three credit reporting bureaus to drop the loans from your credit history, which is what one really needs to worry about (after you file a request to have it removed because it can't be confirmed). It's not really a big deal if one is in default/bankruptcy, it's only a big deal is other people know about it, and that's where having everything in writing dealing with the credit reporting bureaus directly is quite useful.
 
Whatever you do, document everything. And I mean everything. Every single bit of correspondence, every phone call (by you and by them). Keep copies of everything. If it every does go into dispute, those who have the paper-trail will usually prevail.

When you signed the 1st contract contract, does it allow the lenders to change terms unilaterally? Some do.... you need to check. And some do, but only after due notice. But... get to know your contract better than they do.

Luck!

Document Document Document

Date. Who you talked to. What they said. What you said.

Start doing it now. You may not need this... But if you do you'll be glad you took the time.

I agree. This is the single most important thing you can do, besides making any payment on time.

As for phone calls, you can ask any rep to whom you speak if it's ok that you record the call for your own records (make sure you're on tape saying that), and/or you can follow up each and every phone conversation with an email (This email is to confirm my phone conversation with rep Andy on date, at time, where the following was stated...and where you at the end of the mail request that any inaccuracies be addressed by mail within three working days, or something to that effect).

I documented something well once long ago, more by chance than anything else. It was before I realised how important it was, so it was pure luck that I did it, but I had absolutely all conversations on mail that I'd saved. I ended up saving my work a lot of trouble and money, and myself a lot of grief with my (then new) boss.
 
So far so good; talked to another guy and he confirmed that the payoff date is 11/2018. The payment and due date are the same and I was able to pay it online and it looks like they processed it on time. They also confirmed the account was current through them assuming the loan. From what I've read it looks like most issues stem from either income-based repayment plans or people who had automatic debits set up with direct loans.
 
I just wanted to say check your loan terms carefully. I just made a $3500 mistake.

Two of my loans had two kinds of interest, one accrued if the loan wasn't paid in full by the first billing date, and the second kind of interest accrued over time.

I don't know how I did it but I got the wrong date and paid the loan off two days after the first bill was sent, and $3500 interest accrued.

(Note, none of this was a late payment, it was just a penalty for not paying off the loan in full before they started the first billing cycle).
 
So far so good; talked to another guy and he confirmed ,,

Are you documenting all of this?

If there is a problem in the future, and hopefully there isn't, the fastest way to get bounced up from front-line CSR to a supervisor is start reading to the CSR the dates that you talked to the company and what was said. There is a button on their console marked " I friggin ain't paid enough for this " that connects you directly to someone in a higher pay scale.

And congratulations on a seemingly good transfer.
 
Yep, documenting everything and will be looking closely at the first few payments I make to them.
 
Let the Mohela nightmare begin.

Remember, I'm on a standard repayment plan with fixed terms, and everythig is current and always has been. Never had loans in forbearance, etc.

I got a letter today saying my repayment plan had changed, particularly on the 2 most expensive loans of the 8 I have (convenient). Interest rate and payoff date were still the same, as were the principal amounts. Confused and knowing I'm likely getting screwed, I called them.

I talked to Beverly, who told me that "per federal guidelines" an adjustment had been made not by them but by the DOE to ensure that my loans would be paid off on time, because apparently the amount I've been paying for four years on a standard plan wasn't enough (********). I asked WHAT guideline and an EXACT url that would explain it--she couldn't tell me, instead she shuffled me off to the generic DOE website. I pressed for about fifteen minutes citing that if an adjustment was made and the notification of such adjustment came from them and not from the DOE, then they better damn well know what guideline and where to find it. She couldn't say.

She then told me that every two years, loans undergo these "adjustments.". That's funny, then why didn't the other six? In fact, why didn't any loans undergo such adjustment at any point in the past? Furter still, why would they need to on a fixed plan with fixed terms? I've had numerous loans in the past and NONE of them have underwent such "adjustment." How can it need adjustment if the interest rate is fixed? She gave me no answers.

She told me to call tomorrow and ask for a supervisor. I asked for a name--she wouldn't even give me that either. She said they have several, so I said, "You don't know who works tomorrow?" and she said no. She said they have several so I said fine, give me the names of all of them an then she told me she wasn't at liberty to give me any supervisor's name or direct phone numbers. At this point I told her flat out that that's asinine, and the stupid bitch told me not to use profanity!! She thought asinine was a swear word. Blood boiling, after giving her a lesson on how words that start with an ass sound aren't necessarily swear words unless it's just plain ass and realizing what a moron she must be, I gave her some real profanity and told her Mohela is ****ing worthless and screwing everyone and it's all over the internet and then I hung up on her.

Very seriously considering taking a loan from my credit union to just pay these cocks off and never deal with them again.

EDIT: I should say they are jacking up my payment by $10 a month for just those two loans. ********.
 
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Mine was sold to Mohela a few months back too. Nothing too terrible so far. Payment is the same as before, as are the terms. Took a few phone calls to make sure everything transferred over right and to get them to move my payment date to the same time of the month it was with DL, but since then it has been smooth sailing. Other than the website I make payments on I haven't noticed any change.
 
Mine was sold to Mohela a few months back too. Nothing too terrible so far. Payment is the same as before, as are the terms. Took a few phone calls to make sure everything transferred over right and to get them to move my payment date to the same time of the month it was with DL, but since then it has been smooth sailing. Other than the website I make payments on I haven't noticed any change.

It was the same for me until today. I made my second payment with them 3-4 days ago, seemingly with no issues. Now all of a sudden my payment is going up as of next month and the cluster**** begins.

Seems to be a pattern here, shortly after being transferred to them they change the terms.
 
I am just going to point out you are talking to the peons who can not do anything. Do write down everything side and you should of right then demand to talk to a supervisor. Gone threw the same crap demanding it all.

Chances are they are going to try and will abuse the fact that they are a big business and you are just someone with a student loan. Demand everything in writing and they need to list EXACTLY the law and everything they are talking about. My guess is she was talking out her ass and doing what she was told to do. They more than likely are making stuff up hoping you will bend over.
 
Yep, I asked for a supervisor and she said there wasn't one (it was about 7:30, I think they close at 8:00) and to call back tomorrow, but she wouldn't give me any names.

I found a class action lawsuit group on facebook that has executive contact information, so I may just go straight for the jugular, my time is too important to waste climbing a ladder of do-nothings.

I also found this:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/business/target-5-student-loans-mohela-150125195.html

Notice how the DOE cop-out statement calls out that the problems happen to people with loan history anomalies (I have none, mine is as cut and dry and simple as they come). Notice then how they also shove it back on Mohela and say to take up any problems with them. Classic case of two agencies shoving it back to the other and having no accountability. Most importantly though, you'll see how they cite Mohela as the ones recalculating and making the adjustments, NOT the DOE as I was told tonight.

DOE's adjustment my ass.
 
Very seriously considering taking a loan from my credit union to just pay these cocks off and never deal with them again.

Sounds rough. If the terms are the same or better, might as well get a loan to pay them off.

I wonder, if by agreeing to this change, you wave the previous conditions of the loan?

Then watch the rate change. :rolleyes:

I would simply say "No thanks, I like the original terms of the loan just fine."
 
Thing is, you don't have a choice in agreeing. They just change them, and if you don't pay, it goes to collections and ruins your credit.

Pay the bill or ruin your credit, regardless of what they do.
 
Thing is, you don't have a choice in agreeing. They just change them, and if you don't pay, it goes to collections and ruins your credit.

Why? You continue to honour the contract by making normal payments.

If they refuse to accept them that's not your problem. You are following the contract, and contract law is pretty straight-forward.*

*Your results may vary, depending on the original wording. ;)
 
Why? You continue to honour the contract by making normal payments.

If they refuse to accept them that's not your problem. You are following the contract, and contract law is pretty straight-forward.*

*Your results may vary, depending on the original wording. ;)

Right, but perhaps you are a bit out of touch with how things work today (no offense intended)? It's not 1984 where you sit down and need a John Hancock for anything to change; companies today just change things as they see fit, whether it's legal or not, and if you don't abide by their terms they ruin your credit.

Whether I'd be right or wrong in the end doesn't matter. As soon as I don't pay in full, they will go to collections long before anything ever were to get resolved and it would be one hell of a fight.

In the end, I'd have destroyed credit.

It's easy to sit in an arm chair and say "Just keep paying what your old payment was," and it's a completely different thing to actually do that and blow off the increased portion of the loan and watch it sink into collections and ruin your life. Unfortunately somewhere in the tech era the John Hancock got lost. Either companies just change things requiring a massive fight on your end (to which the company is *never* wrong), or simply making a payment as you are pretty much forced to do is set so that if you do it you agree to the terms. When it's actually your loan and your payment and your livelihood on the line, the perspective very quickly becomes much different.

The consumer has very little power, and that's the sad reality of today. I'm not going to let some redneck third party out of Missouri ruin my chances of having a mortgage and providing for my wife.

I'm not done with them though, as soon as I feel like I can pull myself out of work for 1+ hours to argue on the phone with both Mohela and the DOE and ruin my day, I will. My payment only increased by $10 but I don't care, I am going to fight them as hard as necessary.
 
My payment only increased by $10 but I don't care, I am going to fight them as hard as necessary.

Well, if the full $10 goes to just reducing Principle, I don't see an issue, except perhaps a cash-flow one for you.

And people rolling over, and asking for 'it' again, is why they invented Class Action suits.
 
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