A Sun Blog entry reveals that Sun engineering is joining on ongoing project to port OpenOffice to Mac OS X (native). Currently, a version of OpenOffice runs under X11, but the new project aims to provide a native Aqua interface.
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A Sun Blog entry reveals that Sun engineering is joining on ongoing project to port OpenOffice to Mac OS X (native). Currently, a version of OpenOffice runs under X11, but the new project aims to provide a native Aqua interface.
I think, even ultimately NeoOffice's goal is to someday branch back into OpenOffice.org -- the process that's used right now is inefficient and means that Mac users don't have an Aqua version of the suite at the latest revisions at many times.
Compare this to asking why Firefox 3 needs to be Aqua when we have Camino... I think it's essentially the same argument, although Java adds a layer in the case of Neo.
exactly... i don't get it. is openoffice any better? or is it just so popular on the PC front that a lot of people want it on Mac too?
The other thing pointed out in the talkback to the blog is this:
Right now, Neo is essentially a translation or port. Code comes one way -- the Neo people primarily implement OOo in Aqua with Java. They sometimes also add new innovations. But they're generally working on porting OOo rather than advancing it. What that means is that Mac concerns are not taken as seriously at the planning phases of new versions of OOo. If OS X / Aqua were a primary build of OOo, then Mac people would be involved from the ground up each time new features are being planned, etc, right? That's a good thing... a really good thing.
Right now, Neo is essentially a translation or port. Code comes one way -- the Neo people primarily implement OOo in Aqua with Java. They sometimes also add new innovations. But they're generally working on porting OOo rather than advancing it. What that means is that Mac concerns are not taken as seriously at the planning phases of new versions of OOo. If OS X / Aqua were a primary build of OOo, then Mac people would be involved from the ground up each time new features are being planned, etc, right? That's a good thing... a really good thing.
I'd like to see them do a total port to obj-c and drop all the java. Overall the whole product needs a feature freeze and a year or two of polishing. OOo is potentially the most bloated and unstable application I've got on my Linux system, so I suppose they've succeeded in cloning MS Office in that sense (at least the Windows version).
good news.
yes there is NeoOffice, but it runs in Java, which i'll admit isnt the best under OS X and tends to make things a bit of a resource hog imo.
yes there is NeoOffice, but it runs in Java, which i'll admit isnt the best under OS X and tends to make things a bit of a resource hog imo.
A native OpenOffice would theoretically run faster since NeoOffice runs on Java. NeoOffice is a great stop gap until a native OpenOffice, but OpenOffice NEEDS to be native eventually.
NeoOffice does NOT "run in Java"
Please not again. Neo Office does not "run in Java". It uses the Java API somewhat, but even that looks like it is lessening. It runs just as fast as OO 2.1 X on my old 800MHz iMac. I do agree that it would be nice if the Mac were a supported version directly.
Please not again. Neo Office does not "run in Java". It uses the Java API somewhat, but even that looks like it is lessening. It runs just as fast as OO 2.1 X on my old 800MHz iMac. I do agree that it would be nice if the Mac were a supported version directly.
They're going to want to get their investment back from those two full time heads somehow, so that's not a bad guess at all.
NeoOffice is an unsupported (by OpenOffice.org obviously) fork which generally lags behind the rest of OOo through necessity and, to boot, just never feels quite right despite the attempts to make it a native port.
I for one welcome a supported native Mac version of OpenOffice.org. FWIW, I hope they stick to Cocoa as doing so would presumably make it easier to "back port" to other versions of the OPENSTEP API such as GNUstep.
I for one welcome a supported native Mac version of OpenOffice.org. FWIW, I hope they stick to Cocoa as doing so would presumably make it easier to "back port" to other versions of the OPENSTEP API such as GNUstep.
If that was their motivation, this would have been done years ago, even before Staroffice went open source.
I would love to see this happen. Not only will this give Mac users another option for the office suite, but it will help make the product better. As it stands right now, MS Office is a better overall application, but with more users jumping on board everyday, the product will gain more experience and the community of developers will grow.
When it comes time for me to buy a new computer, I will not be forking out money for MS Office. That's the time I'm going to make the switch to OpenOffice. I would like to save that $500 and put it into something more worthwhile. Wow, saying it like that, I can't believe Microsoft can charge that much for basic office software! That's insane! And even worse, everyone pays it! It's like, "Hmmmm...I can buy software to make amazing films and special effects, or...I can buy a word processing program." Give me a break.
When it comes time for me to buy a new computer, I will not be forking out money for MS Office. That's the time I'm going to make the switch to OpenOffice. I would like to save that $500 and put it into something more worthwhile. Wow, saying it like that, I can't believe Microsoft can charge that much for basic office software! That's insane! And even worse, everyone pays it! It's like, "Hmmmm...I can buy software to make amazing films and special effects, or...I can buy a word processing program." Give me a break.
because the UI is uber-fugly?
I mean it looks like office running under windows 2000
(at least it did when I used it like a year ago)
Neo-office still crawls with multiple docs open for me.. And its not because it's hogging the cpu, it just seems inherently slow performing certain tasks (dual G5 here) ...I love Neo, but anything which makes MS office look fast needs more work, hehe.
A little bit more competition or cooperation.. Doesn't really matter which - will make for better products for us all in the long run.
Word files still look weird too frequently in Neo.. I wonder if things are doing any better in OO now?
I think it's great how many word processing apps we can choose from! How anyone could see this as bad I don't understand. More powerful free apps? OH NO!
A little bit more competition or cooperation.. Doesn't really matter which - will make for better products for us all in the long run.
Word files still look weird too frequently in Neo.. I wonder if things are doing any better in OO now?
I think it's great how many word processing apps we can choose from! How anyone could see this as bad I don't understand. More powerful free apps? OH NO!
Having software that runs under Java or X11 can be a burden.
I'm looking forward to a native version of OpenOffice because it has a good chance for more widespread success.
I'm looking forward to a native version of OpenOffice because it has a good chance for more widespread success.
Excellent news!!
This is great news... since in future OpenOffice / NeoOffice will be the only Mac OS X programs that run VB Macros....
This is great news... since in future OpenOffice / NeoOffice will be the only Mac OS X programs that run VB Macros....
