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I don't know how feasible this is in the context of smartphones being "waterproof", but the idea of taking my phone to the beach and out into the ocean and filming underwater, or shooting video while messing around in a pool, is pretty attractive. Not something I'd buy a separate device or case for, but it would be a nice option.

I guess then the issue becomes sand and other elements. Still, interesting to think how rugged these devices could eventually become.
 
If they switched to USB C, I wouldn't mind. However, having to purchase adapters that only work on specific Apple products is rather inefficient. Apple is taking an unnecessary risk here. The phone is already thin...put the extra thickness into a slightly bigger battery, etc.
 
I have no problems removing ports when the time is right and it makes sense. I have a retina Macbook and am perfectly happy with the single port there and the adapter I use as a single-connection docking station. Removing a port that has nothing wrong with it technically, is still used by nearly everyone on earth, and for which there are no good technical reasons for retiring, that I have a problem with. Why not just remove the phone from the iPhone since everyone just uses text and chat apps today? Got to save that space. Again, I'm fine with saving space so long as it doesn't interfere with one of the fundamental functions of the device. Again, waterproofing is not an issue. If that's a route Apple wants to go, 3.5mm jacks can be made waterproof.

People said EAXACTLY the same thing when they dropped CD-ROM drives from the MacBooks (And again when they dropped them from the Mac Pro!). The "right time" to deprecate an old technology is hard to gauge. I suspect that Apple has seen a surge in uptake of Bluetooth headphones/earbuds and has judged that now is the correct time to put the 3.5mm jack out to pasture.

This IS still a rumor though. It could be that this won't actually come to pass until the 7S or even the 8. The decision to leave it off of the 7 would have to have been made a while ago and we're only just now hearing about it...
 
Wireless charging would be a better inclusion than removing the headphone jack.
And where do you think they're going to put the wireless charging hardware, if they don't get rid of something else?
 
People said EAXACTLY the same thing when they dropped CD-ROM drives from the MacBooks (And again when they dropped them from the Mac Pro!). The "right time" to deprecate an old technology is hard to gauge. I suspect that Apple has seen a surge in uptake of Bluetooth headphones/earbuds and has judged that now is the correct time to put the 3.5mm jack out to pasture.

This IS still a rumor though. It could be that this won't actually come to pass until the 7S or even the 8. The decision to leave it off of the 7 would have to have been made a while ago and we're only just now hearing about it...

Not even close to the same thing. CD ROMs or floppies before them or SCSI or whatever ALL had significant limitations where new technology offered some significant improvements to the end user. The problem was a matter of critical mass to force people out of their entrenched routines and make the short-term sacrifice to have a better experience in the long run. I see NO such path for the removal of this jack. You don't get better quality. You don't get better durability. You don't get better compatibility. You add cost. You add complexity. You add bulk. While at the same time a core functionality of the device becomes much more troublesome to use with the only nebulous gains being a tiny bit of gained space and waterproofing that only a tiny fraction of users are actually interested in.
 
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And where do you think they're going to put the wireless charging hardware, if they don't get rid of something else?
You know there are phones as thin or thinner than the iphone, yet they manage to keep the headphone jack?
 
Not even close to the same thing. CD ROMs or floppies before them or SCSI or whatever ALL had significant limitations where new technology offered some significant improvements to the end user. The problem was a matter of critical mass to force people out of their entrenched routines and make the short-term sacrifice to have a better experience in the long run. I see NO such path for the removal of this jack. You don't get better quality. You don't get better durability. You don't get better compatibility. You add cost. You add complexity. You add bulk. While at the same time a core functionality of the device becomes much more troublesome to use with the only nebulous gains being a tiny bit of gained space and waterproofing that only a tiny fraction of users are actually interested in.

The "new technology" in this case is WIRELESS. This is exactly like dropping the Ethernet port off of MacBooks! Some people complained. Some people used the adapters. Everyone else finally took the plunge into wifi all the time and never looked back (even though there were teething issues... hotel wireless was still spotty at the time... with many hotels still providing only Ethernet!). Ethernet was still working fine at the time and MANY people yelled and screamed "Why remove something that is perfectly useful and isn't hurting anyone?" And "I don't want to have to carry around an adapter all the time!" And "But Ethernet is so much faster and more reliable!". But Apple knew better and did it anyway... and these days everyone uses wifi.

Bluetooth audio is the upgrade here. Once everyone moves on they will be much happier with not having to deal with a constant tether between their head and phone/pocket. In the meantime there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth ;-)
 
What makes the time right now is that we are at the tipping point, just like there was a tipping point to move from PPC to intel.
What exactly makes it a tipping point with regard to audio connectivity?
Another thing that makes it right now is that as digital everything takes over from analogue we have now moved to a point where the digital revolution will move to the headphone component.
This doesn't make sense. Headphones will always be analog unless humans grow digital ears. There is zero benefit in moving the DAC from the device into the headphone cable.
 
Not even close to the same thing. CD ROMs or floppies before them or SCSI or whatever ALL had significant limitations where new technology offered some significant improvements to the end user. The problem was a matter of critical mass to force people out of their entrenched routines and make the short-term sacrifice to have a better experience in the long run. I see NO such path for the removal of this jack. You don't get better quality. You don't get better durability. You don't get better compatibility. You add cost. You add complexity. You add bulk. While at the same time a core functionality of the device becomes much more troublesome to use with the only nebulous gains being a tiny bit of gained space and waterproofing that only a tiny fraction of users are actually interested in.

Haha, just for grins I went and looked up an old story about Ethernet getting dropped from MacBooks: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cr...ion-macbook-pro-drops-ethernet-optical-drive/

Look at the poll results! 5000 people votes "Yes" to "Do users still need machines with Ethernet ports" while only 500 voted "No" ;-)

And yet, here we are, nearly 4 years later... not an Ethernet port in sight on any Apple laptop and rarely do you hear people complain about it.

Go read the comments on that story! It's hilariously EXACTLY the same as this very thread!
 
Despite the thousands of posts written here on this topic there still has not been a single reason given as to why removing this port is good for the end user. Not a single one.

Maybe none that affect you, but there have been several. However, here's one -- as Apple continues to add features customers want, compromises will have to be made. There's no way to keep stuffing things into the iPhone without eliminating something that's already there, compromising battery life, or making the iPhone much larger, which not everybody wants and wouldn't be competitive with other smartphone makers. All of that affects the customer.

Now Apple's solution may well be eliminating over 184 cubic mm of hardware that's otherwise duplicated via wireless connectivity, and via Lightning. So it's ultimately redundant, in that it can only really do one thing, yet takes up far more room than the other multi-function options, and the market trend seems to be toward wireless audio in any event. And you may not agree with that particular choice, over other things you'd rather they eliminate, or just skip whatever feature they hope to add. But considering Apple has the research data and you don't, I think I'll side with Apple.

And that's the only reason anyone needs, as it applies to everyone equally -- better product that allows them to stay competitive with other phone makers, without compromising size or quality.

I have no problems removing ports when the time is right and it makes sense. I have a retina Macbook and am perfectly happy with the single port there and the adapter I use as a single-connection docking station. Removing a port that has nothing wrong with it technically, is still used by nearly everyone on earth, and for which there are no good technical reasons for retiring, that I have a problem with. Why not just remove the phone from the iPhone since everyone just uses text and chat apps today? Got to save that space. Again, I'm fine with saving space so long as it doesn't interfere with one of the fundamental functions of the device. Again, waterproofing is not an issue. If that's a route Apple wants to go, 3.5mm jacks can be made waterproof.

And here's your selfish bias, laid bare: many people would prefer a second port in an ultra-portable notebook with Retina display -- but your attitude is 'screw us'. It doesn't affect you. So how very hypocritical of you. Never mind that nobody has any USB-C devices, and to use your hyperbole: nearly everyone on Earth still uses USB-A connectors and has numerous USB-A devices. But again, 'screw us' because it doesn't affect you. Remove the phone from the iPhone, because you don't personally use it? Yeah, doesn't surprise me that you'd take that position. And in the end for all your selfish ranting, removing the 3.5mm jack doesn't interfere with listening to audio. There are still two ways to get audio out of it, one of which is compatible with what is likely to be an inexpensive dapper which will be virtually integrated at the end of a customer's wired headphone cord.
 
You know there are phones as thin or thinner than the iphone, yet they manage to keep the headphone jack?
So I've heard, but I've yet to see anyone do a point by point comparison with the iPhone 6S in terms of features, size and performance to understand if that comparison is fair or relevant.
 
Haha, just for grins I went and looked up an old story about Ethernet getting dropped from MacBooks: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cr...ion-macbook-pro-drops-ethernet-optical-drive/

Look at the poll results! 5000 people votes "Yes" to "Do users still need machines with Ethernet ports" while only 500 voted "No" ;-)

And yet, here we are, nearly 4 years later... not an Ethernet port in sight on any Apple laptop and rarely do you hear people complain about it.

Go read the comments on that story! It's hilariously EXACTLY the same as this very thread!

Yet Ethernet is still the industry standard for networking. Any device that I can connect up via Ethernet in my house, I do so. Virtually every corporation globally will still use Ethernet, while also offering some slower, not as reliable WiFi.

MacBook users are forced to other laptops, or to buy an adapter. Ethernet has not been phased out across the industry by the lack of Ethernet port in MacBooks. Users of MacBooks are just inconvenienced by the lack of Ethernet port and are forced into alternatives.

It's another bad comparison, because Ethernet ports use was nothing compared to headphone use.
 
The "new technology" in this case is WIRELESS. This is exactly like dropping the Ethernet port off of MacBooks! Some people complained. Some people used the adapters. Everyone else finally took the plunge into wifi all the time and never looked back (even though there were teething issues... hotel wireless was still spotty at the time... with many hotels still providing only Ethernet!). Ethernet was still working fine at the time and MANY people yelled and screamed "Why remove something that is perfectly useful and isn't hurting anyone?" And "I don't want to have to carry around an adapter all the time!" And "But Ethernet is so much faster and more reliable!". But Apple knew better and did it anyway... and these days everyone uses wifi.

Bluetooth audio is the upgrade here. Once everyone moves on they will be much happier with not having to deal with a constant tether between their head and phone/pocket. In the meantime there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth ;-)

As I said above bluetooth for audio is great in the car. It sucks for headphones. Now I have to charge my headphones for the benefit of lower quality sound, added cost, added complexity. If my wife wants to borrow my headphones (happens all the time) she needs to pair them to her phone. If we're in the same room, whose phone now takes priority once we have several pairs of these that all need charging and all need to be paired to multiple devices. It's a whole lot of added headache again for this nebulous improvement of reducing wires (not eliminating because they still have a wire connecting the two earbuds - a wire that often becomes more of a problem than the wires of a standard set of headphones.)
 
Don't be silly. The adapter will cost $69 at the very least. And it will be called iJack-u-up-good.

Well why don't we a do a little fact based analysis of that assertion?

I have an Apple iPhone 5C dock that I paid $29 for, which includes a DAC of comparable quality, if not better than that in the iPhone 5C itself, along with two Lightning connectors. So at a minimum, it will cost $29. HALF of what you so blindly contend. And because it will likely only have one Lightning connector and not require any of the construction of the dock, I could easily see it selling for $19 -- especially since they don't want to alienate their customer base too badly.
 
People also complained when Apple removed the optical disk drive. I sure don't miss mine...

Look to the future people.

Optical drives were on their way out when Apple decide to remove the optical drive. People were using them less and less. That is not the case with headphone jacks. Most people still use headphone jacks.
 
And here's your selfish bias, laid bare: many people would prefer a second port in an ultra-portable notebook with Retina display -- but your attitude is 'screw us'. It doesn't affect you. So how very hypocritical of you. Never mind that nobody has any USB-C devices, and to use your hyperbole: nearly everyone on Earth still uses USB-A connectors and has numerous USB-A devices. But again, 'screw us' because it doesn't affect you. Remove the phone from the iPhone, because you don't personally use it? Yeah, doesn't surprise me that you'd take that position. And in the end for all your selfish ranting, removing the 3.5mm jack doesn't interfere with listening to audio. There are still two ways to get audio out of it, one of which is compatible with what is likely to be an inexpensive dapper which will be virtually integrated at the end of a customer's wired headphone cord.

If you could read this with a more objective viewpoint you'd see that what I said is absolutely consistent with no hypocrisy. USB-C is clearly the evolution of USB-A with a huge number of decisive benefits for the end user. It's exactly as I stated was the case with other previous technologies. It's ready to take off, but it needs that push to force the critical mass. This is unequivocally not the case with the 3.5mm audio jack. There is no replacement technology waiting to get that push here. Hence my difference of opinion.
 
I purchased a pair of Bluetooth ear buds a few months ago. They are nice but it sucks when im jamming to my favorite song and the battery decides to die. I still use my wired earbuds because of that.

They are also slightly heavier due to the battery in Bluetooth ear buds.

Looks like I'll be getting a note 6 for my next phone.
 
Yet Ethernet is still the industry standard for networking. Any device that I can connect up via Ethernet in my house, I do so. Virtually every corporation globally will still use Ethernet, while also offering some slower, not as reliable WiFi.

MacBook users are forced to other laptops, or to buy an adapter. Ethernet has not been phased out across the industry by the lack of Ethernet port in MacBooks. Users of MacBooks are just inconvenienced by the lack of Ethernet port and are forced into alternatives.

It's another bad comparison, because Ethernet ports use was nothing compared to headphone use.

Not for laptops. Even just a few years ago it was common to have Ethernet cables coming out of the middle of conference room tables. How many new conference rooms do you see with that these days?

How is it a bad comparison? It's apple getting rid of a legacy port/wire in favor of wireless.

Let's take a much more recent event that is very similar: the new AppleTV. It's "missing" a few things:

1. Optical audio out. Many people yelled and screamed... but ultimately Apple knows that's a connector that is on it's way out the door and left it off. In a few years no one will even remember what an optical cable is. Is that similar enough for you?

2. Ethernet again! They shipped the new AppleTV with only 100Mbps Ethernet! Why? Because they are signaling that the time of Ethernet (even for stationary set top boxes) is over. My new AppleTV sits right next to my router... and is connected by 5Ghz 802.11ac at over 1Gbps. Ethernet's days are numbered... Even for stationary devices..
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If you could read this with a more objective viewpoint you'd see that what I said is absolutely consistent with no hypocrisy. USB-C is clearly the evolution of USB-A with a huge number of decisive benefits for the end user. It's exactly as I stated was the case with other previous technologies. It's ready to take off, but it needs that push to force the critical mass. This is unequivocally not the case with the 3.5mm audio jack. There is no replacement technology waiting to get that push here. Hence my difference of opinion.

How can you not see that Bluetooth audio is the technology that's "waiting to get a push here"? It's been on the rise for many years and has been accelerating lately. Apple has seen the trend and decided it doesn't need this old port anymore...
 
How can you not see that Bluetooth audio is the technology that's "waiting to get a push here"? It's been on the rise for many years and has been accelerating lately. Apple has seen the trend and decided it doesn't need this old port anymore...

If Apple ditches the 3.5mm jack, they will include wired lightning earbuds in the box, not bluetooth. I do not particularly see bluetooth use accelerating for headphones. It seems to me from my travels that it has remained relatively static. Most people still use wired headphones. If anything, I've seen a decrease in wireless headphones since bluetooth has become so ubiquitous in the car.
 
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Optical drives were on their way out when Apple decide to remove the optical drive. People were using them less and less. That is not the case with headphone jacks. Most people still use headphone jacks.
I won't debate whether optical drives were on the way out or not. I know I was still using them plenty. Regardless, whatever technology Apple dropped, you can be sure a vast number of people were still using it. Only when Apple dropped it did it force customers to something else. And in doing so, whether optical rives, floppy disks, SCIS, et al, it created demand for something else, and the prices dropped, it became more affordable. It also eliminated the option to use the cheaper standard for customers, and gave developers incentives to improve other technologies, invent new applications and devices which they otherwise had no financial reason to do so. So no matter how wide spread the use of any "standard", eliminating helps develop, grow, improve, and make more accessible new, and improved technologies.
 
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My phone is on the charger at work and I listen to music with a headphone. How can I keep the phone charged and listen to music at the same time with the one Lightning connector???
 
My phone is on the charger at work and I listen to music with a headphone. How can I keep the phone charged and listen to music at the same time with the one Lightning connector???

Potentially with some sort of pass-through although I'm not sure I've ever seen such a device made by a reputable manufacturer for a data/power connection like this.
 
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