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The thickest part of the 6S+ seems to be the camera. If they want it to be thinner, that's their choking point.
Unless the find a way to reduce the size of the camera, then they likely won't go thinner. But they will add more features and battery and keep it the same size, and in doing so, may remove the 3.5mm jack.
 
Unless the find a way to reduce the size of the camera, then they likely won't go thinner. But they will add more features and battery and keep it the same size, and in doing so, may remove the 3.5mm jack.

That was basically what I was thinking. Removing the port isn't about thin, it's about what they think they can do by pushing the world into a post-3.5 world. What will this mean? Good BT and maybe lightning headphones?
 
So how are people who connect their phones to auxiliary cables to play music in the car supposed to listen to music? Or what about people who have headphones in while jogging or on the go?

It's really too soon to try to forcefully outdate headphones and headphone jacks in replacement of battery hogging and consuming wireless earpods...

Awful move. Wow.
 
How so? Go through any device retailer and the vast majority of headphones and earbuds are all 3.5mm wired. Bluetooth earphones are few and far between and often way way more expensive.



Not in my 4-year old car that I'll likely be driving for many years yet. So now I have to screw around with retrofitting bluetooth just to get audio out of my phone that I've had no problems for years now with my good 'ol AUX jack?



They're not the majority and they shouldn't be. Why do we need to make simple, usable technology like standard bloody audio plugs obsolete for the sake of "progression". Bluetooth tech adds so much complexity to even simple devices, it's just not needed in the realm of audio output.
Sorry...I didn't realize that the world revolves around you and your 4 year old car. Please notify everyone when you decide to upgrade so technology companies know when to upgrade their products as well....

No one has a gun to ur head to upgrade to the latest phone if it doesn't work for you.
 
So how are people who connect their phones to auxiliary cables to play music in the car supposed to listen to music? Or what about people who have headphones in while jogging or on the go?

It's really too soon to try to forcefully outdate headphones and headphone jacks in replacement of battery hogging and consuming wireless earpods...

Awful move. Wow.
How were people supposed to connect with their cars, Lazy boy chairs, docking stations etc that had a 9 pin port when lightening came?

The answer is that for those who rely on those connectors an adaptor will be available for the period of time between upgrading.

Apple have pushed the tech industry on getting rid of various ports for years, the floppy disk, the optical drive etc, people resist but in the end they move along as well. The music industry is always changing with different technologies, in fact it's probably the only industry that keeps up with technology, LP's were replaced by cassette, cassette were replaced by CD's, CD's were replaced by digital music, digital music had sharing problem so Apple helped it with a content store (iTunes), since then it has moved on again to streaming.

Losing the headphone pin will be just another one on the list.
 
How were people supposed to connect with their cars, Lazy boy chairs, docking stations etc that had a 9 pin port when lightening came?

The answer is that for those who rely on those connectors an adaptor will be available for the period of time between upgrading.

Apple have pushed the tech industry on getting rid of various ports for years, the floppy disk, the optical drive etc, people resist but in the end they move along as well. The music industry is always changing with different technologies, in fact it's probably the only industry that keeps up with technology, LP's were replaced by cassette, cassette were replaced by CD's, CD's were replaced by digital music, digital music had sharing problem so Apple helped it with a content store (iTunes), since then it has moved on again to streaming.

Losing the headphone pin will be just another one on the list.
What benefit does getting rid of the headphone jack serve, though?

We're going to replace it with battery hogging and draining wireless bluetooth-paired technology? Slimming the iPhone so it's "sexier". It's not really pushing the envelope. It's ridding of something with MAJOR function in replacement for nothing important at all.

Let's hope this is a rumor.
 
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That was basically what I was thinking. Removing the port isn't about thin, it's about what they think they can do by pushing the world into a post-3.5 world. What will this mean? Good BT and maybe lightning headphones?
Lighting headphones already exist. Though the concept is frankly complete BS. Not only can you not use them with non-Apple products, but you can't even use them with Macs!
 
Lighting headphones already exist. Though the concept is frankly complete BS. Not only can you not use them with non-Apple products, but you can't even use them with Macs!

Sure you can, once the adapters hit the market. And all Macs will have Lightning ports starting with the very next refresh.
 
Sure you can, once the adapters hit the market. And all Macs will have Lightning ports starting with the very next refresh.
Why bother? Macs have no use for Lighting other than connecting these proprietary headphones. Thunderbolt and USBc can do everything Lighting can and more.

An adapter is yet another thing you will need to carry around and potentially lose.
 
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Lighting headphones already exist. Though the concept is frankly complete BS. Not only can you not use them with non-Apple products, but you can't even use them with Macs!

I would like options of lightning headphones. Also, look forward to eventual lightning Macs and complaints about iOS taking over.
 
I would like options of lightning headphones. Also, look forward to eventual lightning Macs and complaints about iOS taking over.
Like I just said, lighting on a Mac is completely pointless. USB type-C literally does everything Lighting can and much, MUCH more.
 
Like I just said, lighting on a Mac is completely pointless. USB type-C literally does everything Lighting can and much, MUCH more.

Lightning being pointless didn't stop Square Enix from putting her in 3 games and I doubt it will stop them from shoving it into Macs. That aside, I wonder if we're going to eventually get to a point where Apple tries to push Lightning as a competing standard.

Thunderbolt failed, FireWire failed, but they aren't immune to trying.
 
Lightning being pointless didn't stop Square Enix from putting her in 3 games and I doubt it will stop them from shoving it into Macs. That aside, I wonder if we're going to eventually get to a point where Apple tries to push Lightning as a competing standard.

Thunderbolt failed, FireWire failed, but they aren't immune to trying.
Thunderbolt and FireWire had certain advantages Over USB (eg higher rates and less overhead). Lighting offers NOTHING over Type-C. It has no reason to even exist at this point other than to force people to buy proprietary cables.

BTW, Thunderbolt 3 is ditching Apple's mini DisplayPort connector and will instead by integrated into USB Type-C. Giving the connector yet another advantage over Lighting.
 
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Thunderbolt and FireWire had certain advantages Over USB (eg higher rates and less overhead). Lighting offers NOTHING over Type-C. It has no reason to even exist at this point other than to force people to buy proprietary cables.

BTW, Thunderbolt 3 is ditching Apple's mini DisplayPort connector and will instead by integrated into USB Type-C. Giving the connector yet another advantage over Lighting.

Then do you think they might change over to USB C and audio instead of Lightning? And would you be against that as much as Lightning?
 
Then do you think they might change over to USB C and audio instead of Lightning? And would you be against that as much as Lightning?
I don't think they're ready to drop Lightning... especially since they just released a bunch of peripherals that charge via the connector... though would definitely make dropping the 3.5mm jack more tolerable.
 
So how are people who connect their phones to auxiliary cables to play music in the car supposed to listen to music? Or what about people who have headphones in while jogging or on the go?

It's really too soon to try to forcefully outdate headphones and headphone jacks in replacement of battery hogging and consuming wireless earpods...

Awful move. Wow.

Ummmm....
I guess just leave the included adapter always plugged in, in your car?
Or is there something I'm missing??
Because you're acting as if there's some insurmountable problem I'm unaware of.
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Like I just said, lighting on a Mac is completely pointless. USB type-C literally does everything Lighting can and much, MUCH more.

Knowing how much Apple LOVES their product similarities, I'm really really really hoping that the iPhone 7 has a single USB-C, to perform multiple purposes (audio & charge/sync), like the new MacBooks.
 
Knowing how much Apple LOVES their product similarities, I'm really really really hoping that the iPhone 7 has a single USB-C, to perform multiple purposes (audio & charge/sync), like the new MacBooks.
That would be nice, but given the recent release of the Apple pencil, an updated Camera adapter, and the new rechargeable keyboard, Magic Trackpad, and Magic Mouse... All of which charge through a lighting cable... I don't think Apple is going to give up on the connector any time soon.
 
iPhone 7 with USBC would be great. In contrast to a few unfounded claims from here, USB-C seems to be way more robust port than Lightning. So far i haven't heard of any problems with the 12'' Macbook/Nexus ports and cables. While there is huge number of unhappy Lightning cable buyers. And so far it has been only used for charging. The wear and tear for audio will be way more straining. By the way i really want to get rid of the those Lightning adapters. Lightning AV is really underperforming. It is only upscaled 900p (with light artifacts) and i don't see a way how Apple could push this to 4k in the future. Also they would be finally forced to open iOS further, because people probably wouldn't accept the lack of usb keyboard, read only sd cards etc. anymore.
 
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Why bother? Macs have no use for Lighting other than connecting these proprietary headphones. Thunderbolt and USBc can do everything Lighting can and more.

An adapter is yet another thing you will need to carry around and potentially lose.

What difference does it make? Right now on the rMB you have one port, and one single function 3.5mm jack, only good for audio. Given that will likely be the standard as the rest of the MacBooks get refreshes, why not include Lightning instead? It's almost as versatile as USB-C, and doesn't take up any more room than the 3.5mm Jack. Then there compatibility issues. Much easier to Make the Mac compatible with an iOS device than vice versa. So why confuse people who may think they can buy any USB-C device and plug into their iPad or iPhone, which is at best incompatible and at worst may cause damage. Also, can anyone confirm that USB-C will be the standard for at least 10 years and nothing better will come along? Apple controls Lightning. As long as they need to support Lightning, it will be there. Once USB-C changes into something else, people who bought native USB-C audio devices will be left behind.

Apple took away my Ethernet Jack on my MacBook Pro. And I have to carry an Ethernet adapter around everywhere I go. So I get it. But Unlike my MacBook, the 3.5mm adapter just plugs onto the end of your cable, essentially extending it a little. When not in use, all you need is a little tether to the cord it's normally a part of, and you should never lose it.

iPhone 7 with USBC would be great. In contrast to a few unfounded claims from here, USB-C seems to be way more robust port than Lightning. So far i haven't heard of any problems with the 12'' Macbook/Nexus ports and cables. While there is huge number of unhappy Lightning cable buyers. And so far it has been only used for charging. The wear and tear for audio will be way more straining. By the way i really want to get rid of the those Lightning adapters. Lightning AV is really underperforming. It is only upscaled 900p (with light artifacts) and i don't see a way how Apple could push this to 4k in the future. Also they would be finally forced to open iOS further, because people probably wouldn't accept the lack of usb keyboard, read only sd cards etc. anymore.

Love one weasel words like "seems". Now I fully admit this is anectdotal but I plug and unplug my iPhone over a dozen times a day, for over two years. I've never had a Lightning Jack failure, or a lightning connector failure. Always use high quality Lightning cables. but thank you for giving us the benefit of your engineering prowess, which seems to be based on nothing more than what you've "heard". And I'm really glad you've posted links to those studies about what people won't accept anymore.
 
What difference does it make? Right now on the rMB you have one port, and one single function 3.5mm jack, only good for audio. Given that will likely be the standard as the rest of the MacBooks get refreshes, why not include Lightning instead? It's almost as versatile as USB-C, and doesn't take up any more room than the 3.5mm Jack. Then there compatibility issues. Much easier to Make the Mac compatible with an iOS device than vice versa. So why confuse people who may think they can buy any USB-C device and plug into their iPad or iPhone, which is at best incompatible and at worst may cause damage. Also, can anyone confirm that USB-C will be the standard for at least 10 years and nothing better will come along? Apple controls Lightning. As long as they need to support Lightning, it will be there. Once USB-C changes into something else, people who bought native USB-C audio devices will be left behind.

Apple took away my Ethernet Jack on my MacBook Pro. And I have to carry an Ethernet adapter around everywhere I go. So I get it. But Unlike my MacBook, the 3.5mm adapter just plugs onto the end of your cable, essentially extending it a little. When not in use, all you need is a little tether to the cord it's normally a part of, and you should never lose it.



Love one weasel words like "seems". Now I fully admit this is anectdotal but I plug and unplug my iPhone over a dozen times a day, for over two years. I've never had a Lightning Jack failure, or a lightning connector failure. Always use high quality Lightning cables. but thank you for giving us the benefit of your engineering prowess, which seems to be based on nothing more than what you've "heard". And I'm really glad you've posted links to those studies about what people won't accept anymore.

Just visit Apples own online store. Really low ratings for everything Lightning related. And please read up about USB C. Apple's engineers contributed the most to this standard. They have a major influence in the consortium. So it won't easily disappear without a warning. But please continue with your story about wireless audio, which is completely out of touch with reality. I really like fairy tales.
 
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