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I still think there is a gap in the Apple computer lineup.

It is not whether there is a gap. It is whether there is a gap which won't inflict significant cannibalization on Apple's other products that is the issue.


But the Mac Pro is still a world away from Mac Mini, and there are still people who don't want a computer in a monitor like iMac.

There is a gap plugger and then you dismiss it. That's twisted. This topic with continue to circle going nowhere until folks fess up on that point.

The primary significant differential is that the iMac has a monitor and this "monitorless" version does not. Mostly this really revolves around whether the monitor is bundled in the system or not.


*Option it for a home or office desktop, Apple 24, 30, or provide your own monitor, dual monitor via MDP -> Dual-view adapter, or video-card expansion.

If a significant number of folks buy a new apple monitor + headless what is the real difference between that and them buying an iMac ? None. All of those are 100% overlap in market to the iMac. Even more damaging is that they would likely overlap largely in price also. What you need to look for is huge gap in the product line up price points. There aren't any. ( in contrast to the persistant huge gap between Macbook and iPod Touch where the iPad landed. ). Note that even the "extra deluxe mini server" is still priced below an iMac. That's how rigid their pricing model goes.


So have old monitor want to continue to use and buy new Apple monitor so can do dual. Again, where is the difference from iMac ? You can go dual monitor (with second a non Apple one) with iMac.

OK so then folks don't buy any Apple monitor ( going Scrooge McDuck on less expensive new monitor(s) from someone else). Apple sells headless and gets $0.00 for monitor. Where is the win/win there? Apple looses. They really don't have high incentive to follow that option. They tie and bundle MacOS X so they have the slight upper hand here.

In the current setup, Apple doesn't have to compete much in the external monitor market. The bulk of their panels are locked in. That's helps them keep component prices down (predictable bulk buys) and system prices up.


Frankly, if Apple would increase the size of the mini (e.g., double the width, but no taller or deeper ) could stick a Core-i and discrete GPU in there and would cover most of what your "pro" version does without adding much overlap with iMac ( if priced and spec for separation. ). On next iteration of iMac when the core-i goes across could drop Core-i5 iMac and Core-i3 on "slightly" enlarged mini and still have separation.

For whatever reason folks are addict bug mug, coaster sized 2-dimension footprint of the Mini. That's the blocking factor here. Not overlapping new product line that overlaps with iMac on pricing.
 
Uh, doesn't it do all of that except the esata and BD?

  • 3.5mm audio input, or USB, which standard do you mean? It has both. Webcams work, too.
  • DVI, check. Add-on cords are available, stereo or optical audio output.
  • 1TB option in the server version. (no esata)
  • BD is a bigger Apple issue, this would be nice.
  • Optional? Sure, already exists. Does it matter if it isn't on Apple's BYO page?

Not really...
  • It's not a mic level input, but a line level input - there's a huge difference. Only UVC webcams work (and not flawlessly), which are a minority in the market.
  • Not yet via MDP or HDMI
  • I meant the regular mini, not server. eSata would be great.
  • I know... but still.
  • You're right - this last one isn't a big issue...
 
That would happen with the Early 2011 update not now. Right now it's definitely going to follow the other products with C2D and Nvidia 320m. Late 2010, Intel stops making C2D, and Apple will be forced to change direction. At that time, they could go AMD/ATI. I would prefer they did that. The CPU in current computers are plenty capable. We're better off with faster drives and drive controllers and much better graphics like ATI could provide. Intel's GMA HD is garbage and it seems Apple doesn't want it since it's avoiding Core i-series CPUs and continuing to use the Nvidia 320m GPU/chipset model.

Source?

Anyway I'm hoping the Mac Mini gets replaced with this. Apple needs to beef up the Apple TV and fill the G4 Cube hole.
 
Apple could of course just be doing maintenance on their store. If the pages for the Macbook, Macbook Pro go down then that is probably what it is.
 
I feel the same way. I'm running dual 23" monitors. I'm running them via a mini-dvi to hdmi adaptor and a mini display port to hdmi adapter. I went this route because my monitors have hdmi inputs and I could easily run 15' hdmi cables without any noticable loss and have my Mini on the very end of my office desk completely outta the way. The hdmi cables combined with a bluetooth Apple keyboard, WiFi printer/scanner/fax, and Magic Mouse make this possible. :)

Having owned four of them (one actually belonged to a client for a year), I sincerely believe the Mac Mini to be Apple's most reliable and underrated product. I sit here typing this on what is currently the highest specced non Server model (2.53GHz, 4GB RAM etc) connected to a Dell U2711 27" monitor (awesome!) - and she runs cool, only struggling if I fire up InDesign CS5 with a few other CS5 apps open at the same time, but only then if Chrome is struggling with Flash, which it does with aplomb!

A speedier Mac Mini would be great, but I cannot think of much else to make it better. Perhaps removing the CD/DVD drive and making it even smaller would be cool, with a black case option for home media centre use.

Apple went wrong with Apple TV by focusing on the hardware too much. They should have simply prepared some excellent OS X software and produced a media bay free Mac Mini - with HDMI out of course.

I love my Mac Mini because it's 'invisible' and quiet.

Why do you love yours?
 
While it's just a rumor, the next-generation Mac mini will allegedly drop the current legacy mini-DVI connector in favor of an HDMI port. The mini DisplayPort connector should remain.

Actually, knowing Apple, it's more likely they're just removing the mini-DVI and replace it with nothing. They will however sell an expensive adapter to make dual display setups possible using the mini DisplayPort connector.

I love my old Mac Mini (C2D 1.83GHz). Runs almost 24/7 as a server, time machine central, media center, casual browsing on the big TV, multitrack audio workstation, and much more. The low power usage and operation volume is great too. I wish mine could run two displays, only a mini DVI port on it though.

I'd love to get a substantial CPU upgrade for my audio stuff.
 
Yep, the Macbook Pro pages are down too, so its not what we were hoping for in my opinion.
 
I'd be very surprised if HDMI is added to the Mac Mini with the intent in making it into a home theatre system as suggested, as this would cannibalize on possible AppleTV sales.
 
I've always thought of it as being because there is just no need to upgrade to the i-core processors yet because the software demand for it is not there.

umm.... yeah, that's nonsense.

i have a "software demand" for the fastest processors i can get my hands on. i'm never content with waiting longer for the processor to do its work.

applications are plenty able to push current processors to their limit.

maybe you're not pushing yours too hard... but they are underpowered for real content work.

as long as that thing has only 2 ram slots and those silly laptop drives, it's too weak to be useful for work.
 
You are taking what Steve Jobs said out of context. He thinks that PCs will still have their uses and people will still want them. He also said that PCs will not be replaced anytime soon, but it will happen.

I don't think it was out of context at all. Jobs used the "trucks" vs. "cars" analogy, and to me that implies that the trucks are not the ones that will get the elegant or souped-up interfaces. So yeah, the mini may get an upgrade but don't expect it to be an Apple flagbearer.
 
as long as that thing has only 2 ram slots and those silly laptop drives, it's too weak to be useful for work.
I disagree, as the mini could do a soild-state or 7200rpm disk, it could do 8gb ram and it could do quad-core processors without too many cooling issues I would think). I've got a 100GB Seagate 7200rpm hard drive in my G4 which increased the speed massively.

The problem is, that is not what the mini is marketed for... but as there is now a mac mini server we might see a little bit more power assuming the mac mini server has actually been popular. Has apple even said anything about how popular it has been?
 
Intel may have the industry by the balls in terms of forcing crappy graphics on everyone that want integrated graphics with their modern CPUs. However, when AMD Fusion comes out end of the year AMD's going to have Intel by the balls in this category.

Though Apople might seem least likely company (even more so than Dell for example) to source CPUs from two different companies, the AMD's Fusion is so compelling I sincerely think Apple's very likely just biding time until its arrival and will totally go with Fusion everywhere they're using integrated graphics right now.
 
I currently love my Mini, but looking to upgrade. I already have a great 23" monitor, so don't want the all in one IMac or laptop. Unfortunately, that leaves either the Mac Mini or the Mac Pro. Too Little, and Too Much for my needs.

Something in the middle would be perfect. Think Core I5 750 IMac without Screen, in Mini Tower.
 
good news i guess, if its true that is.. I'm really hoping for imac updates aswell, that way I'll have a reason to upgrade :p..
 
I currently love my Mini, but looking to upgrade. I already have a great 23" monitor, so don't want the all in one IMac or laptop. Unfortunately, that leaves either the Mac Mini or the Mac Pro. Too Little, and Too Much for my needs.

Something in the middle would be perfect. Think Core I5 750 IMac without Screen, in Mini Tower.

A mini tower would be so great... we can only hope...
 
At this rate, what are we going to collectively expect at the Keynote?

New...

iPhone
Mac mini
Apple TV
Mac Pro
Macbook Air
and at a longshot new iMacs?

the iPhone is a given, so pick two others and thats a realistic scenario.

Whatever happens, there will be someone spewing flaming vitriol on at least one section of our glorious forums by monday afternoon :rolleyes:
 
Intel may have the industry by the balls in terms of forcing crappy graphics on everyone that want integrated graphics with their modern CPUs. However, when AMD Fusion comes out end of the year AMD's going to have Intel by the balls in this category.

Though Apople might seem least likely company (even more so than Dell for example) to source CPUs from two different companies, the AMD's Fusion is so compelling I sincerely think Apple's very likely just biding time until its arrival and will totally go with Fusion everywhere they're using integrated graphics right now.

I have loved AMD forever, all my PC builds were AMD, AMD/ATI in a MINI would simply just rock:cool: very :cool:
 
Anyway I'm hoping the Mac Mini gets replaced with this.

What????? that patent is a MacPro with the external case and a few of the implementation details stripped off to disguise it from the separate design only patent.

CPU/memory trays... MacPro. Veritically oriented , MacPro. 4 internal drive bays .. MacPro. Three major thermal zones CPU , PCI , drives/PSU ... MacPro.

Patents aren't about products primarily anymore. Large companies just want a large stack of them so that can play my pile is higher and deeper than your pile games of chicken with other big companies. Looking at the patent pipeline for real products that are actually going to ship is like dumpster diving the local junk yard for treasure. You may find something but lots of it is just "stuff".
 
I'd be very surprised if HDMI is added to the Mac Mini with the intent in making it into a home theatre system as suggested, as this would cannibalize on possible AppleTV sales.

I am 99% sure that Display port will be updated to the new spec with sound. At least with this one could by just a cable from Mini-display to HDMI. Plus one can count on better graphics and slightly better Core 2 speed. To me the Mini update will probably have the same specs as the White MacBook.
 
Chances are they'll just be using C2Ds with 330Ms in there. I don't see them putting an iX in there until the iMac line goes for i5s across the line. Then again, we could see the iMac line getting updated next week too - it's kind of due a refresh after all.

I really love Mac Minis, already have two of them as Plex machines and the first new mac I bought for myself was a Mac Mini back when the first Intel Mac Minis came out.
 
My crystal ball says:

New model called Mac Mini Pro
w/ Quad Core
w/ nvidia 320m graphics module
w/ HDMI port
w/ Embedded WiFi and Bluetooth
w/ Blu Ray super drive option
w/ front USB port
w/ terabyte drive option

there is also another model with a bunch of options to replace Mac TV and become a living room entertainment hub with LOTS of WiFi suite software to use your iPad, iPhone or iPod Touch as you watch your favorite show or movie.

The troll is strong with this one.
 
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