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Agreed. Since I've known my wife, she's been through 2-3 cheap HP & Asus laptops before she ended up with a Laptop Go 2. It's no Macbook Air, but it *is* head and shoulders above the consumer grade stuff those two brands put out in the same price range
The MacBook Pro Max 38 core does about 13 teraflops. The new Surface Laptop Studio 2 rocks an Nvidia 4060 and can do about 15 teraflops. Plus, it has a desktop-performing H processor, not the mobile U like the Surface Pro. And it has the AI chip in there for apps to take advantage of. I bought the 64GB RAM version, I wanted a decent Windows laptop that could do gaming.
I know you can buy cheaper ones that pack slightly better specs (4070, i9), but the form factor is so intriguing.
Look at the Lenovo Legion series gaming laptops. I think you'll be better off with that over the Surface Laptop - at least for gaming.
Lenovo 16" Legion Pro 5i 16IRX8 Gaming Laptop
- Qualcoms new ARM flagship chip(s) are coming in 2024 https://liliputing.com/qualcomms-fi...-processor-with-up-to-45-tops-ai-performance/
- Competition and choice is good for consumers an inovation. I look forward to the 2024 CPUs from Apple, AMD, Intel and Qualcom.
I worked my way through three generations of Surface.
The first was impressive simply because it seemed to manage so much in such a small package. Reality involved insufficient processing power and inadequate battery life and screen not as big as needed. It had promise but definitely not good enough.
The second generation was much better but still had insufficient processing power and inadequate battery life - and 128 GB is inadequate for even basic Windows. The screen had grown and it was much nicer to use. Had a bad tendency to overheat suddenly. You'd just be using it and it would go mad with temperature rising by the second until you closed it down. Eye always on battery level.
The third generation was better again. Probably enough power and storage for my modest needs but battery life still not good. I regularly take my laptop when visiting and always had to carry the charger and a long enough cable otherwise I could easily run it down. Again, while not as bad, it still tended to get very warm and run the battery down fast at times.
By then, I'd grown sick of the issues, had adopted a Mac mini, and decided to jump to a MacBook Pro M1. I'm not going to check specs, but I think it is lighter than the Surface Pro 3 with charger, battery lasts far, far longer - such that I do not need to carry a charger. Never overheats - and the odd occasion it gets slightly warm, I can usually identify a reason.
The first was impressive simply because it seemed to manage so much in such a small package. Reality involved insufficient processing power and inadequate battery life and screen not as big as needed. It had promise but definitely not good enough.
The second generation was much better but still had insufficient processing power and inadequate battery life - and 128 GB is inadequate for even basic Windows. The screen had grown and it was much nicer to use. Had a bad tendency to overheat suddenly. You'd just be using it and it would go mad with temperature rising by the second until you closed it down. Eye always on battery level.
The third generation was better again. Probably enough power and storage for my modest needs but battery life still not good. I regularly take my laptop when visiting and always had to carry the charger and a long enough cable otherwise I could easily run it down. Again, while not as bad, it still tended to get very warm and run the battery down fast at times.
By then, I'd grown sick of the issues, had adopted a Mac mini, and decided to jump to a MacBook Pro M1. I'm not going to check specs, but I think it is lighter than the Surface Pro 3 with charger, battery lasts far, far longer - such that I do not need to carry a charger. Never overheats - and the odd occasion it gets slightly warm, I can usually identify a reason.
Surface line creater left Microsoft and now you can see the product line flailing in the wind. It is really disappointing.
Surface Laptop 5 is a joke. Shipping with 12th Gen Intel? Same 60hz screen. Same bezels. Same design.
They could have used 13th gen Intel and 7th gen Ryzen, put a larger maybe 14" or 13.8" screen and slimmed the bezels, given an OLED screen with 120hz, added another USB c port and improved the speakers and you would have had a winner.
But for now the surface line seems a bit lost. I really hope they start leading the industry. I thought the materials(besides the alcantera) and industrial design were some of the best in the industry.
When I had the surface Laptop 4 I truly liked the black version better than a MacBook but now it just looks old and a cheaper Asus zenbook 14" is better and cheaper in every way to the surface.
Come on Microsoft. You can let the surface line die a slow death or you can start reinvestment in R&D and make the surface line truly iconic again.
Only the Surface Pro tablet still seems relevant and as great as a product that it is it can't be the only area where they lead.
Surface Laptop 5 is a joke. Shipping with 12th Gen Intel? Same 60hz screen. Same bezels. Same design.
They could have used 13th gen Intel and 7th gen Ryzen, put a larger maybe 14" or 13.8" screen and slimmed the bezels, given an OLED screen with 120hz, added another USB c port and improved the speakers and you would have had a winner.
But for now the surface line seems a bit lost. I really hope they start leading the industry. I thought the materials(besides the alcantera) and industrial design were some of the best in the industry.
When I had the surface Laptop 4 I truly liked the black version better than a MacBook but now it just looks old and a cheaper Asus zenbook 14" is better and cheaper in every way to the surface.
Come on Microsoft. You can let the surface line die a slow death or you can start reinvestment in R&D and make the surface line truly iconic again.
Only the Surface Pro tablet still seems relevant and as great as a product that it is it can't be the only area where they lead.
Makes you wonder if they are just slowing backing out of the pc hardware game
Well MS certainly isn't pushing the cutting edge. While Surface was initially very promising it's now a very forgettable product line...
Q-6
I've started thinking on how amazing a Surface Pro '10' with the low-powered config. of Snapdragon x Elite could be.
Hope that gets released sometime not too late in 2024 🤩
Hope that gets released sometime not too late in 2024 🤩
According to Zac Bowden there are rumors of an Windows "12" RTM around April 2024, because of an supposed event + Surface has traditionally had 2 events mostly (Spring and October) too.
However I doubt you'll get to see these soft/hardwares combos "in store" until Q3 or mabye even Q4.
It's going to be a fun 2024 in the Tech verse, hopefully finally also giving non MacOS users excellent performance and battery usage with Intel next gen, AMD continued improvements and the Qualcom's ARM based CPUs.
However I doubt you'll get to see these soft/hardwares combos "in store" until Q3 or mabye even Q4.
It's going to be a fun 2024 in the Tech verse, hopefully finally also giving non MacOS users excellent performance and battery usage with Intel next gen, AMD continued improvements and the Qualcom's ARM based CPUs.
I have had most of the surface pro line throughout the years 
I have always been a big fan.
I have a surface Pro 9 and a Surface Studio (back at my parents).
Back when i was all in with Microsoft (Windows Phone, Windows 8, Surface, Xbox, Outlook, Onedrive, Cortana) i appreciated the design and what they were trying to create and I truly miss the unification of the mid 2010s.
I am now mostly all apple but i do try to make my windows and apple expeirence work as best as i can.
I have always been a big fan.I have a surface Pro 9 and a Surface Studio (back at my parents).
Back when i was all in with Microsoft (Windows Phone, Windows 8, Surface, Xbox, Outlook, Onedrive, Cortana) i appreciated the design and what they were trying to create and I truly miss the unification of the mid 2010s.
I am now mostly all apple but i do try to make my windows and apple expeirence work as best as i can.
according to the newest Windows Central podcast and Zac Bowden has been hearing that:
- all (so Intel and Qualcom ARM) Surface Pro 10 and Laptop 6 models could be announced at the March 21, 2024 event.
- the release will still be staggered, with the Qualcom ARM X Elite options being available from June on wards due to the necessary (underlining) new Windows on ARM version only being available then.
I miss my Windows Phone so much.I have had most of the surface pro line throughout the years
I have a surface Pro 9 and a Surface Studio (back at my parents).
Back when i was all in with Microsoft (Windows Phone, Windows 8, Surface, Xbox, Outlook, Onedrive, Cortana) i appreciated the design and what they were trying to create and I truly miss the unification of the mid 2010s.
I am now mostly all apple but i do try to make my windows and apple expeirence work as best as i can.
Yeah I'm interested in the X Elite. It might just be enough for me to switch to ARM finally...
I actually just had a discussion with my boyfriend after I found my old lumia 1520. Windows Phone was great and I miss it but it goes to show how much fan wars cloud judgment. It was great but limited and the main reason I had one was because I was anti google and apple. 12 different windows phones and years later I realized how silly I was. With limited apps I essentially had a slightly above average feature phone with an an amazing camera 😂
I had a 1020 and it was probably my favorite phone ever. The UI for windows mobile is still one of the best for mobile IMO. The design went perfect with my Surface RT, 3 & 4 running Windows 8, which I still wish was around today.
I also had a Nokia 920 and that thing was a beast. It was almost indestructible. I bet my sis I could drop it off the 2bd floor of our house on its back into the wood floor below and sure enough it did with only the back popping off and the battery coming off. Popped them both back and worked like perfect. Also loves IE browser UI with the bar at the bottom.
I also had a Nokia 920 and that thing was a beast. It was almost indestructible. I bet my sis I could drop it off the 2bd floor of our house on its back into the wood floor below and sure enough it did with only the back popping off and the battery coming off. Popped them both back and worked like perfect. Also loves IE browser UI with the bar at the bottom.
THEY WERE SO GREAT THOUGH! I can't remember which Windows smartphone I had, but the live tiles thing was so great! I wish MS would have stuck it out...
Same here. I miss it so much. They were great phones.
I had the last HP phone released on Windows Mobile with an OLED screen! It was such a great phone and I had a blue Nokia before that. Oh Microsoft and your foolishness. Too bad they bungled a good thing.
I thought the Windows UI was brilliant for a Mobile device. So much potential. If Microsoft would have just kept pushing and partnering and making it a sweet deal for OEM's and developers they could have made it. But they just gave up after spending so much I couldn't believe it.....Kind of like the Pixel slate I had. RIP, RIP.
I thought the Windows UI was brilliant for a Mobile device. So much potential. If Microsoft would have just kept pushing and partnering and making it a sweet deal for OEM's and developers they could have made it. But they just gave up after spending so much I couldn't believe it.....Kind of like the Pixel slate I had. RIP, RIP.
Never had a pixel slate but I love my pixel phones over anything else out there now.