Same price as my Sony's, but the return window will be closed before the holidays. Not sure I wan't to return the Sony when I actually really like them and wait for the unknown
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Same price as my Sony's, but the return window will be closed before the holidays. Not sure I wan't to return the Sony when I actually really like them and wait for the unknown
I had missed that on first watching, but yes that is new. It is definitely different from my Surface Pro 2017, which has a connector more like the Surface Book 2.
I liked the new surfaces announced today. Not sure what to think of the headphones with Cortana, as someone who still hasn’t attempted to use any of the VAs on any platform beyond a few voice commands activated by holding the home button down on iPhone. (“Shuffle all music”, and, “Call *”)
Overall though, I think I’ll be content staying with the discounted SP purchased a few months ago. (I5, 8GB, 128 SSD). The wife agrees about hers.
That new black color sure is better looking. No doubt. The other new features I can’t say I’ll need, but I like the way they’re thinking. Looking forward to the ongoing Surface line.
Overall though, I think I’ll be content staying with the discounted SP purchased a few months ago. (I5, 8GB, 128 SSD). The wife agrees about hers.
That new black color sure is better looking. No doubt. The other new features I can’t say I’ll need, but I like the way they’re thinking. Looking forward to the ongoing Surface line.
Official tech specs:
Surface Studio 2
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-studio-2/8SBJXM0M58T4/K0SJ?activetab=pivot:techspecstab
(Nvidia is 1060 or 1070)
Surface Pro 6
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-pro-6/tech-specs
Surface Laptop 2
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-2/tech-specs
Surface Studio 2
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-studio-2/8SBJXM0M58T4/K0SJ?activetab=pivot:techspecstab
(Nvidia is 1060 or 1070)
Surface Pro 6
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-pro-6/tech-specs
Surface Laptop 2
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-2/tech-specs
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The Surface connector has changed?
I didn't see that listed anywhere, and the pictures of the slot look the same to me.
I don't know about the connector per se. But the magsafe connector looks much larger than the barrel shaped one on my 2017 MacBook Pro.
1:07 mark of the video here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/surface/status/1047220142319554560
Oh, that. That’s just the fat housing for the Surface Dock. The connector port is still the same, but for whatever reason, the housing surrounding the plug is thicker for the Dock than it is for just the AC charging connector.
I wondered if they had maybe beefed up the power supply if the battery capacity was higher than mine. Otherwise it seems an odd choice to make that thing about 4x bigger
I just assumed it was for all the extra conductors. The Dock I think puts out 60-something watts and I didn’t see that changed today.I wondered if they had maybe beefed up the power supply if the battery capacity was higher than mine. Otherwise it seems an odd choice to make that thing about 4x bigger
I don't know about anyone else but the new Surface devices seem a bit underwhelming. I'm not in the market any longer but they're just a spec bump
Outdated hardware for premium prices? I thought this marketing approach works only for Apple?!
I'm just surprised that Microsoft doesn't understand that if they want to compete with Apple, they have to lower the pricing. I kind of like the Surface Laptop, but for this price the MacBook Pro is still the winner for me.
I'm just surprised that Microsoft doesn't understand that if they want to compete with Apple, they have to lower the pricing. I kind of like the Surface Laptop, but for this price the MacBook Pro is still the winner for me.
I’m going to wait and see what Apple produce this month (if they hold an event), the Surface Pro in black looks really nice tho.
There are rumours saying that the Surface Pro might be completely redesigned next year so it might be worth the wait. Does anyone know how the new quad core specs on the Surface Pro 6 compare to the MacBook or MacBook Air? I won’t say the MacBook Pro because I think the Surface Book is in that area.
[doublepost=1538567801][/doublepost]The Surface headphone look nice, that added noice cancellation where it can be adjusted is a great idea (not sure if it's been done before) i just hope they are better quality than the Beats, i had a Beats pair of headphones and within 2 years they fell apart with the colouring on the ear cups falling off. Not sure when these headphones will be available here in the U.K tho.
There are rumours saying that the Surface Pro might be completely redesigned next year so it might be worth the wait. Does anyone know how the new quad core specs on the Surface Pro 6 compare to the MacBook or MacBook Air? I won’t say the MacBook Pro because I think the Surface Book is in that area.
[doublepost=1538567801][/doublepost]The Surface headphone look nice, that added noice cancellation where it can be adjusted is a great idea (not sure if it's been done before) i just hope they are better quality than the Beats, i had a Beats pair of headphones and within 2 years they fell apart with the colouring on the ear cups falling off. Not sure when these headphones will be available here in the U.K tho.
Apple have no equivalents to MS Surface range other than the Surface Laptop and even that is touch enabled, different breed of premium devices that pro Apple users wish to try and fit in to the conventional clamshell pigeon hole
Even the GO is not an Apple like tablet with it's full OS and KB/Track pad and mouse support
Embrace the differences and ignore the stereo types then move on ………….
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I didn't see anything with the Surface Pro 6 that would make me upgrade from my Surface Pro 2017, unless they were to offer some kind of upgrade incentive that I could not refuse (they won't). But as a first time buyer I would be excited about it. I love my Surface Pro and would not hesitate to recommend one.
I am not sure if anyone else has done the adjustable noise cancellation mechanically quite like the Surface Headphones. My Sony WH-1000MX have a button on the left cup that can be used to switch between full on, ambient noise and full off. Additionally through the Sony Connect App, the headphones have an adaptive sound control setting that will detect what you are doing and adjust ambient sound control accordingly, or you can tweak it manually through a slider. There are also settings for noise cancelling Optimizer where it measures atmospheric pressure and other things.
Advanced, but not quite as simple as the dial type settings on the Surface Headphones appear to be. I guess we will find out how well they work in later reviews.
As for the Beats, ugh. They have a market, mostly for bass heavy listening. Build quality and durability is poor. I wasn't even excited about the free ones Apple was giving away with the educational sale because (a) they're Beats and (b) they were the solo, which is an "on ear" design, which I personally find uncomfortable. I much prefer the "over the ear" type for long wearing.
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Apple have no equivalents to MS Surface range other than the Surface Laptop and even that is touch enabled, different breed of premium devices that pro Apple users wish to try and fit in to the conventional clamshell pigeon hole
Even the GO is not an Apple like tablet with it's full OS and KB/Track pad and mouse support
Embrace the differences and ignore the stereo types then move on ………….
Just my opinion, don't be mad at me, but:
I never got this 2 in 1 PRO device thing (tablet + full OS), from my experience it's really just a gimmick. Let me throw some arguments:
I work as a developer. Most of the devs I worked with have either MBP (Apple fanboys) or non-touchscreen premium Windows laptop (those who like to play games). I remember 2-3 devs who got a touchscreen laptop, but just because they liked the device, not because of the touchscreen. Never saw them using the touchscreen. Why? Because most of the time it's not very productive and of course: fingerprints on a display. Almost every dev I know hates them.
I studied art school: Most of the students had either MBP or non-touchscreen Windows laptop + Wacom tablet. A few of them even had iPad + Apple Pencil. My classmates from photography department really hated even a small little fingerprint on their laptop displays. They were cleaning them almost every single day. Same applies for the designers at our studio.
Project managers at our studio are also having MBP, because they use their keyboard and mouse be productive.
So who is this device for?
I love my iPad because for a touch device, it does everything I do. I don't mind fingerprints on the screen because I don't use it for a PRO work. Touchscreen is just not as productive as using keyboard and mouse. It's great for casual use or drawing, nothing else.
So for me, comparing Surface Laptop and MBP makes sense.
While I mostly agree, and I'm not an artist either, I like the ability to mark up PDFs with the pen and take notes by hand.
Did it with my iPad Pro for years. That, plus web apps, simple word processing and email make up a lot of what I do. But always had to switch back to a conventional computer for PowerPoint and heavier tasks (about 25% of my computing needs). But the Windows 10 and current tablet/2-in-1 options let me do both -- pen work and office work -- on the same device, with all my files in one place.
I bought a Surface Pro 3 when it came out and was very underwhelmed, but Windows 8 sucked and there was little optimized software.
A lot has changed in 4 years, and IMHO my Surface Book 2 gives me the best of both world, especially since using a Mac full time for work is essentially impossible due to our IT restrictions. Lame but not in my power to change.
Notice the way the "From" prices are for the 128GB Platinum models, which you can't buy the Black in - they are 256GB minimum so add a good £200+ to the prices. Common practice with advertising products/cars etc I know.
EG:
Surface Pro 6 in Platinum/i5/128GB/8GB = £879
Surface Pro 6 in Black/i5/256GB/8GB = £1149 - £270 extra for Black and extra 128GB storage. Ouch.
Same applies to the Surface Laptop 2 - £270 premium for Black and extra 128GB storage.
Makes Apples SSD upgrade prices look cheap!
EG:
Surface Pro 6 in Platinum/i5/128GB/8GB = £879
Surface Pro 6 in Black/i5/256GB/8GB = £1149 - £270 extra for Black and extra 128GB storage. Ouch.
Same applies to the Surface Laptop 2 - £270 premium for Black and extra 128GB storage.
Makes Apples SSD upgrade prices look cheap!
I'm really not into touch devices as well, but taking notes would be great I guess. Don't really know, since I never owned a touch enabled laptop.
But MS devices are a complete flop for me. They are just like Apple, way overpriced and outdated. Only interesting device for me personally is Surface Book 2, but not because it has a touch screen, but because of great keyboard and battery life, and the most important thing: great 3:2 screen. Excellent for productivity.
I debated on purchasing one, but went for Lenovo instead. When they get TB3 in those devices, then I'm gonna purchase one for sure. Until then, I'm just gonna admire them
But MS devices are a complete flop for me. They are just like Apple, way overpriced and outdated. Only interesting device for me personally is Surface Book 2, but not because it has a touch screen, but because of great keyboard and battery life, and the most important thing: great 3:2 screen. Excellent for productivity.
I debated on purchasing one, but went for Lenovo instead. When they get TB3 in those devices, then I'm gonna purchase one for sure. Until then, I'm just gonna admire them
It's perfectly fine you don't get it or perceive the extra functionality offered by the Surface range and other similar devices that are equally productive with just a KB and mouse
Many see the extra functionality as an added feature even though you may only use them occasional. You still have all the same interfaces of a conventional clamshell as nothing in principle has been taken away, it's all about choice on how you wish to interact natively and not having to buy some other device.
Given the overwhelming magnitude of windows users over MacOS it's a obvious that the diversification of users will be far greater and in that greater number their will be those that need devices like the Surface. Of course there is also those that need a bit of this and some of that
in both OS's for many reasonsMS have seen this group who were not catered at a premium level and tailored their products to suit those that want more than just a clamshell laptop.
They have also made products like the Surface laptop more specifically for education markets with the windows S mode even though you can also buy and use as a general user laptop.
Of course as a general product the Surface laptop competes against many similar products like the MBA or rMB and even bottom tier MBP. They would be silly not sell some units in this category given that the device is already built, but it's not it's main focus and I am sure the extra sales are a welcome bonus.
We have seen over the recent years how much smartphones have become multifunctional and I think that MS products to a lessor degree follow the same progression over the stagnant standard clamshell format
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I agree with SteveJUAE. I use my Surface Pro primarily as an ultralight laptop. But I do use both touch and pen.
Often times I am using connected to a projector, so nobody but me sees the fingerprints. But if fingerprints on a screen are objectionable to anyone, I would have to think an iPad, iPhone or even touch screen infotainment system in a car would be equally as problematic.
What I like about my Surface Pro is being able to use it anywhere. It is equally at home on a desk or table as it is on the lap, on a car seat if I need to use it away from home (not while driving obviously), seat back tray of an airplane, while sitting, standing, etc.
There are times where I appreciate its ability to be able to use it as a laptop to research some data and type up a document and then be able to flip the cover over and hand it to someone for a couple signatures.
I have also used it for notes and drawings as an iPad type device and then converted the handwriting to text to include in a word document later.
I get it that it isn’t for everyone and doesn’t fit all situations, whether for personal use or business use. But the growing number of them on the market suggests that people are finding new ways to use them in their lives.
I have an iMac, iPad Pro, iPhone and Surface Pro. I am still trying to decide on a 15” laptop that best suites my needs. But my Surface Pro is by far my favorite “go to” device and the iPad Pro a nightstand fixture.
Often times I am using connected to a projector, so nobody but me sees the fingerprints. But if fingerprints on a screen are objectionable to anyone, I would have to think an iPad, iPhone or even touch screen infotainment system in a car would be equally as problematic.
What I like about my Surface Pro is being able to use it anywhere. It is equally at home on a desk or table as it is on the lap, on a car seat if I need to use it away from home (not while driving obviously), seat back tray of an airplane, while sitting, standing, etc.
There are times where I appreciate its ability to be able to use it as a laptop to research some data and type up a document and then be able to flip the cover over and hand it to someone for a couple signatures.
I have also used it for notes and drawings as an iPad type device and then converted the handwriting to text to include in a word document later.
I get it that it isn’t for everyone and doesn’t fit all situations, whether for personal use or business use. But the growing number of them on the market suggests that people are finding new ways to use them in their lives.
I have an iMac, iPad Pro, iPhone and Surface Pro. I am still trying to decide on a 15” laptop that best suites my needs. But my Surface Pro is by far my favorite “go to” device and the iPad Pro a nightstand fixture.
Yes it's all about choice and adaptability
My middle son who finally bought his 1st laptop himself at 27 opted for SP4 2016 after me suppling him with numerous iPhones, MBP,s, IP's and an IMac over the years
To be fair the if you are an actual laptop laptop user the SP can be tricky for some, but 0 heat transfer to you vs conventional laptops. However when I watched my son his use and positioning was far more varied than my standard coffee table use. Tent mode, tablet KB on or off and so much pen use for browsing and Netflix etc depending on his slouched position
. So many gains for one less optimal
Yes it's all about choice and adaptability
My middle son who finally bought his 1st laptop himself at 27 opted for SP4 2016 after me suppling him with numerous iPhones, MBP,s, IP's and an IMac over the years
To be fair the if you are an actual laptop laptop user the SP can be tricky for some, but 0 heat transfer to you vs conventional laptops. However when I watched my son his use and positioning was far more varied than my standard coffee table use. Tent mode, tablet KB on or off and so much pen use for browsing and Netflix etc depending on his slouched position. So many gains for one less optimal
. So many gains for one less optimal My wife didn’t know what the heck I was doing buying a PC 2-1 device like this after both of us owning nothing but Apple products. But after watching me use mine for the past year, she wants one as well. Pretty much as your son does. Tent mode, tablet mode, on the arm of a couch or chair, side table in waiting room, passenger seat of the car, standing up with cover folded back or removed, fits easily into the door side compartment in the car the magazine pocket on a plane.
I suppose the question of why anyone would want a 2-1 device is a bit like asking someone why they would buy a crossover SUV rather than a car or a full size SUV. For some the utility if the crossover fits their needs, for others it doesn’t.
If it’s not for you, that’s fine, they certainly aren’t for everyone, but they are great for some . I love mine. My iPad Pro? Eh.
Thank you for sharing your SP experiences.
I have a w10 Acer laptop that I am sure is fine, but screen, keyboard and w10 updating pushed me away from it.
I was so used to using my iPad Pro or my iMac, I just could not adapt to that laptop.
At the same time, I am frustrated by my iPads (formerly iPad Pro, now 2018 iPad), in that I do not feel comfortable typing on them beyond forum posts or a quick email. I do get more use with the pencil (pdf mark up and drawing), as well as watching videos.
This is why I feel a Surface Pro is a good idea for me: it will be laptop useful when I go back to school (documents), have a better screen than that laptop, I can draw (hope there is a windows or cross platform app close to Procreate), and watch my movies/tv. Plus if I need the horse power for images etc., I will have that power under the hood.
The only thing that worries me are battery life and finding apps like Procreate and Pixelmator (esp. Procreate).
I understand folks have preferences and I respect that, but more and more I am feeling hampered by my mobile tech and I want to give MS a try.
I have a w10 Acer laptop that I am sure is fine, but screen, keyboard and w10 updating pushed me away from it.
I was so used to using my iPad Pro or my iMac, I just could not adapt to that laptop.
At the same time, I am frustrated by my iPads (formerly iPad Pro, now 2018 iPad), in that I do not feel comfortable typing on them beyond forum posts or a quick email. I do get more use with the pencil (pdf mark up and drawing), as well as watching videos.
This is why I feel a Surface Pro is a good idea for me: it will be laptop useful when I go back to school (documents), have a better screen than that laptop, I can draw (hope there is a windows or cross platform app close to Procreate), and watch my movies/tv. Plus if I need the horse power for images etc., I will have that power under the hood.
The only thing that worries me are battery life and finding apps like Procreate and Pixelmator (esp. Procreate).
I understand folks have preferences and I respect that, but more and more I am feeling hampered by my mobile tech and I want to give MS a try.