I went downtown today to audition the new 10.5" ipad pro and the new Surface Pro. Basicially I found new iterations did not move needle in either direction. The apple pencil tip feels too hard and "plasticy" to me. It seemed tiring in oneNote. The massively overhyped "zero latency" seemed somewhat improved--but I thought the 2015 version was fine. Otherwise the 10.5" pro is a thing of wonder and I am still planning on buying it. On to the MS store. The new Surface seems slightly more refined, but generally the same as the 4th generation. Minority report: I hate alcontara. Who wants a fuzzy keyboard? The keystand is slightly improved and is awesome for drawing, The pen feels amazing. It feels like they have found the perfect combination of tip hardness and spring dampng. I arrived ready to confirm my decision to buy an ipad and left feeling unsure of my plans. Device vs device is another issue--I just wanted to discuss the pens.