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Surface Pro shows what Macbook could have been, what new Macs need?

maflynn said:
That's BS. I have a SP3 and windows 10 runs more reliably, faster and stable then Yosemite did on my MBP.

I understand that many people here hate MS just because this is an apple fan site, but consider many of us have real world experience with windows that is counter to the propaganda that anything out of Redmond is horrible.

MS has a solid product here with the SurfaceBook. Is it better then the MacBook, no because I think the rMB is targeted for a different audience and market. Is the SurfaceBook better then the MBP - at this point being newer, there are a number of design elements that I like that the MBP doesn't have. Will Apple respond? Who knows, but the current MBP is aging and we need to see what Apple does with Skylake.
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That's exactly what I would think. Windows can run like crap if there are poor drivers and bloat, but when a hardware manufacturer runs their own system, most likely the system runs very well and is the closest you will get to stock Windows experience.
 
boltjames said:
Not sure where this is coming from or why my posting style confuses you.

My contention is that all operating systems are the same. Their job is to sit there without causing trouble and let the apps do the heavy lifting. They aren't important. There is an Apple way of doing things (taskbar at the top of the screen) and there is a Windows way of doing things (taskbar at the bottom of the screen) and aside from those marginal nuances an OS is an OS.

FaceTime and AirDrop are not features of an operating system; they are apps that Apple is making exclusive to their users inasmuch as Cortana is and exclusive app for Windows users. "Spotlight" isn't a thing; it's a fancy name for "Search" which every operating system has.

I am not dismissing anyone else's preferences. I am quite objective on the matter, having ownership of a MacBook running Windows 10 and having 4 MacBook's and 1 iMac in the family. Both operating systems are equal. It's a matter of personal preference, comfort level, and workplace standards, nothing more. There was a time where the Mac OS had legitimate features that good ol' Windows 95 didn't have. In the 20 years that have passed, Microsoft caught up while Apple was focused on world domination of the mobile market. Clear?

BJ
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Air drop isn't an app. Can you understand that? It is an integral PART of the OS! It's not an app that you can just launch. It's found as part of the Finder which makes it NOT an app. It is NOT like Dropbox. Stop equating the two things. At least show an understanding of OSX features before you dismiss them.
 
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boltjames said:
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I run Windows 10 exclusively on my RMB and it is fantastic, in fact from what I read about OSX issues with the machine it looks like Windows 10 may be superior. It's incredibly stable, very fast, the MacBook is the best Windows machine I've ever owned and I've owned dozens.

Try not falling for old wives tales. You know, like "a watched pot never boils". Spoiler; it does.

BJ
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It is still Windows, mate... No way I will prefer it over OS X

OSX isnt perfect, for sure, but M$ can't design an OS coherent and stable (and YES, I use Windows daily in my office)
 
Max(IT) said:
It is still Windows, mate... No way I will prefer it over OS X

OSX isnt perfect, for sure, but M$ can't design an OS coherent and stable (and YES, I use Windows daily in my office)
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You use Windows 10 at work? On new hardware?

Btw, OSX STILL lags on my rMBP. So no. OSX is also far from perfect.
 
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maflynn said:
How did Apple crush it. They took a MacBook Air, removed all ports, but one, added a retina screen and made it thinner and fanless.

Now I'm nots saying its a bad computer but I do question that its the best thing apple released in years.
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to make a macbook air thinner and fanless wasn't exactly an easy task...

maflynn said:
I never took it as a competitor of the rMB. I think its going up against the 13" rMBP, and wen you line up the MBP against the SurfaceBook, the RMB comes up lacking in some metrics.
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I wouldn't swap my MBP for a Surface Book...
 
boltjames said:
As a 20 year Windows user I can tell you that my operating system never gives me any problems. The issue is that the IT departments for Fortune 500 companies gravitate to the lowest common denominator and so most workplaces use old equipment and old software. And that's what kills productivity.

I type this response from the 2012 notebook my company provided me running Windows 7 and Office 2007. That's what my IT department supports so that's what we run. And when I think of all the partner companies I do business with here in the US, in Asia, and in Europe, I've never seen someone running anything newer than Windows 7 let alone Windows 10. And then there's anti-virus and anti-phishing and daily backups, all so some low-level IT guy doesn't get fired. It's prison.

The reason I own a Retina MacBook running Windows 10 is because when I'm out of the office and working on the road or from home I want the lightest/sleekest hardware and the newest/updated operating system to get away from the IT mess at work. It's a luxury- I paid the $ out of my own pocket for the notebook, the OS, and the applications. This is how it is in corporate America with the archaic rules around "enterprise" and what an IT department is currently defined as.

So don't blame Microsoft, don't blame Windows. Blame old equipment and old software that IT leeches refuse to let go of. It's a miracle most of us are allowed to use iPhone's at work.

BJ
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Seriously, if you really are a "20 years Windows user" I can't believe you didn't have problems.
If you were serious, I'll stop reading your posts immediately.....

boltjames said:
News Flash: The PC Operating System War ended five years ago. Windows won. To this day, despite the historic explosion of Apple hardware and Apple mobile devices, 93% of the world runs Windows on its desktops. In fact, Windows 10, only 6 weeks old, already has larger market share than OSX despite it's 20 year head start. It's time to stop your line of thinking.

Reality Check: "Rich and competent people" don't buy an operating system. They buy a notebook, they buy a phone.

I have no skin in this game either way. I adore Apple hardware and I am very comfortable with Windows software. I get to choose what hardware to use in my personal life, I get forced into the OS in my work life. So it's a sleek RMB for my hardware, sleek Windows 10 for my OS, life is good. When you step out of your 1997 time warp, let me know, we can have a real conversation.

BJ
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you should know that those market share numbers are caused by the huge amount of crappy ridiculous PCs disseminated all over the world running Windows.
Macs are expensive. Cant be so popular.
On every electronic store you can find a couple of decent Windows notebook (if any) and at least a dozen ridiculous cheap notebooks. Those are pumping up the market share.
 
Max(IT) said:
sure.... apple is doomed.
Im sure there will be people in lines to buy the Surface Book
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I never said Apple was doomed. I said that Microsoft wrecked Apple in terms of product offering. We know that unfortunately the Surface Book won't sell as much as a MBP
 
TechGod said:
You use Windows 10 at work? On new hardware?

Btw, OSX STILL lags on my rMBP. So no. OSX is also far from perfect.
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Yes Im using a mix of Windows 8 and 10 PCs at work, with fairly recent hardware.
I stop reading your posts when I read the word "lags".
On this forum, every time I read "lag" I know Im speaking with an hater...... :rolleyes:
 
TechGod said:
I never said Apple was doomed. I said that Microsoft wrecked Apple in terms of product offering. We know that unfortunately the Surface Book won't sell as much as a MBP
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Maybe only from a pure technical standpoint. Is there anything that special about the Surface Book? Convertibles have existed for years FYI, and they're just as gimmicky as always. If I need a tablet and a laptop at the same time, then I get something like the Surface Pro with a keyboard that doubles as a cover. Apple has made the iPad Pro, which while is lacking due to its limited (IMO) OS, is still a good concept. You could say the same about the rMB to be honest. It's kinda a gimmick for now, since its amazing thinness resulted in the removal of ports, reducing of performance, battery life, and repairability. I could also say that Apple "reckd" Microsoft with their iPad Pro/rMB.
 
Max(IT) said:
Yes Im using a mix of Windows 8 and 10 PCs at work, with fairly recent hardware.
I stop reading your posts when I read the word "lags".
On this forum, every time I read "lag" I know Im speaking with an hater...... :rolleyes:
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A hater???? I have an iPhone 6 and rMBP from late 2013 and use OSX exclusively! It's just that I can see when the competitor provides a better product.
 
garirry said:
Maybe only from a pure technical standpoint. Is there anything that special about the Surface Book? Convertibles have existed for years FYI, and they're just as gimmicky as always. If I need a tablet and a laptop at the same time, then I get something like the Surface Pro with a keyboard that doubles as a cover. Apple has made the iPad Pro, which while is lacking due to its limited (IMO) OS, is still a good concept. You could say the same about the rMB to be honest. It's kinda a gimmick for now, since its amazing thinness resulted in the removal of ports, reducing of performance, battery life, and repairability. I could also say that Apple "reckd" Microsoft with their iPad Pro/rMB.
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It's not a convertible in the normal sense. It really isn't...
 
SteveJUAE said:
Ditto this
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Triple this. I'm Logic Pro bound, I need OS X, I've been a mac fan boy since I was 11 (and kept the enthusiasm). but man, windows 10 is nice, sexy, and stable, like the prom date you never had.

To this day I'm convinced that most windows problems since XP are not windows problems but developer and user problems. If you know how to use a computer (i.e. if you're willing to educate yourself on how to use a computer), it's a great OS.

I don't think I've seen a BSOD since before windows 7. Is it even still blue?
 
Perhaps it's years of being served very well by Apple Computers within the mobile space I work in.

First it was the very nice PowerBook's I owned and used heavily. Next it was the many MacBook Pro's that gave me years and years of exemplary service. Composing this at the keyboard of my fresh new 15" MacBook Pro, when I pickup one of my several laptops, my natural reaction is to grab this one.

Yet over the last decade I live and work in a multi platform computing environment. My MS Surface Pro 3 is so good it makes me eat the words of distain I spoke... before buying one due to the raving reports of my co workers.

Now with a Surface Book on pre-order I'd be lying if I didn't admit it's good to see Microsoft surging ahead. If my Surface Book turns out to be everything I think it is, and I have very modest thoughts about it, then I will be quite satisfied.

But at the end of the day if I was forced to choose just one... I'd probably cave in and make my choice the MBP :D
 
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Mac household here, for decades. iMac, a couple MBAs, MBP, iPhones, several iPads, and quite a few ATVs.

We just bought our 2nd Surface, today. This was to replace my woman's 2012 MBA 11 that finally took a dump. When looking at all the options, she liked the small size and tablet capabilities of the Surface 3 (non-Pro model). She only uses Office a bit, and spends most of her time consuming content. For her, this works.

I also have a PS3 that's giving my iMac 27 and MBA 13 a serious run for its money. It blows away my MBA in the performance department, and keeps up with my 2012 iMac 27. When I have it docked with two 27 high res display, I'm lacking for nothing.

But the biggest thing for the way that I work is being able to immediately switch from casual consumption to serious creation. Now, if I get a work email with a PPT or Excel attached, and can view edit and distribute without even getting up. Yeah, there are iOS versions of Office, but they just aren't the same and have formatting issues.

Continuum is a dream in the way it switches from tablet mode to desktop, automatically when you remove the keyboard or flip it to the rear.

Win 8 was awkward. Really, I saw where they wanted to go, but I just couldn't get there with them. Win 10 is outstanding! It's designed for the way that I want to work. It does take a bit of getting used to, after a couple decades mostly on the Mac. But once you get the hang of it, it's very efficient. My Swag is, as a desktop, it's probably about 95% as good as OSX. As a tablet, it's probably now about 85% as good as IOS. But doing both is priceless! And every Microsoft update seems to notch those percentages forward.

And even the prospect of being able to plug my phone into a KB/Display to edit a big excel spreadsheet, while on the road... Whoa!

Oh, and people who are saying that touch capability on a laptop is a gimmick haven't lived with it for a while. It's that capability that's caused smudges on my iMac and MBA, as I keep touching their screens in vain attempts to scroll windows or pinch them... LOL

Started working for a Mac software company in the early 90's and have been a fanboy since, but color me impressed!!!

BTW, while the MS announcement was stellar, my SP3 is still good enough for me, at least for the next year or two. After that, I'll probably replace it with another SP Pro. While the Surface Book is interesting, batter life is too short when it's in tablet mode. Then again, maybe when I see it in the flesh I'll change my mind and wish they had had bought one, and gifted my woman my SP3? LOL
 
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TechGod said:
You quit it and then you mess up the system until you restart it. How you're even arguing this is beyond me.
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Well I've never noticed any problems with quitting finder and using the system. Finder reboots fine as well. Maybe I'm ignorant though, what problems does quitting the finder cause?
 
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