Agree. It is the tip of the iceberg so to speak. I loves me my Applzz. And my Makz. Sorry, could not resist
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Agree. It is the tip of the iceberg so to speak. I loves me my Applzz. And my Makz. Sorry, could not resist
And I've NEVER EVER had a software/hardware problem with my 2012 Dell Latitude running Windows 7 or my 2013 Sony Pro 13 running Windows 8 or my 2015 Retina MacBook running Windows 10.
I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble and ruins your time on Fantasy Island, can't help you there. Your computer was designed in 2008 so perhaps that's why you're lost in a time warp on this issue, it's like discussing a brand new Dynamic Handling iDrive BMW with someone who is driving a car built before Bluetooth existed.
Look in the mirror and read this sentence to yourself 10 times: "Operating systems don't matter. The apps that sit atop them are the same no matter Apple or Microsoft. The Operating System Wars ended in 2005. OXS and Windows 10 are of equal value."
BJ
You are running a MacBook that was designed in 2008. Might be best if you left the talk about modern-age computers and operating systems to those who are actually using them.
BJ
Thanks, good post.
Putting into my context- why I'd want to Boot Camp over to OSX instead of Windows 10- the apps like AirDrop and FaceTime are replicated on the Windows side with DropBox and Skype, so it's really not about that to me.
I'm talking about the non-app stuff, the core Operating System functionality. I use an Operating System to boot, sign in, launch apps, toggle between apps, sleep, and shut down. On those grounds, I don't see any advantage to OSX over Windows 10 or vise versa. It's 2015. They all work similarly. If one is a few milliseconds faster than another that's just discussion forum banter, it's not something a user can feel. Apple has some nice trackpad gestures but I find Windows 10 Search more effective than Spotlight. I still can't figure out the GUI for installing an app on OSX where Windows feels quite straightforward. Point is, I think it's personal preference and the job of an OS today is to just get out of the way. Like iOS, it's about the apps, it's not about the OS anymore.
BJ
Recently I tried to update one of my iPads to iOS 9. It got stuck on slide to upgrade, a problem many people had, and I use a day to fix it, having to completely wipe the iPad.
On the other hand, my wife's upgrade to Window 10 was completely smooth without any problems whatsoever.
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Like I said, operating systems don't matter much anymore. Both OSX and Windows 10 have their quirks now and then. Neither is a deal breaker. I'm grateful that Apple allows Windows to run on their notebooks, opened up a nice new world for me from a hardware perspective and having OSX as a backup is handy for FaceTime with the kids when I'm traveling.
BJ
At least an old Mac is still working on Modern Web and basic tasks, but you can't say the same for PCs since they had been discarded due to myriad of problems
I never said there was no innovation in the Surface Book. I said the gluing of the two devices isn't innovation. How they glued them is definitely innovative.
Whose PC's were discarded? Mine? I changed PC's because I like to be in the latest and greatest slim/sleek form factor, not because they failed me in any way. I can afford new equipment so I indulge myself every 18 months.
Again, it's perfectly fine that you are using a 5 year old MacBook Air that was designed and considered cutting-edge in 2008 but to continue to offer up present-day opinions based on decades-old stereotypes is doing both you and the rest of us a disservice. Get some keyboard time on Windows 10 and a notebook made after the Breaking Bad pilot aired, then you can talk with a modicum of credibility.
BJ
Is anyone telling you to run OS X? Maybe I missed that. What I saw was you asking someone who prefers OS X to justify their opinion. You are correct to interpret these answers through the lens of what that means to you, and it's up to you to decide whether those differences matter to you, etc.
But you seem to be arguing not that you still prefer Windows, but that Windows is better.
Do you think you should be expected to justify your preference for Windows? And if you did list your reason for preferring it, that it would be proper for someone to dismiss your reasons?
AirDrop and Dropbox are extremely different.
But ignoring that, your argument is one of checkboxes, not quality.
"Video chat? Check. File transfer? Check."
I listed a bunch of OS functionality.
Again, it seems like you are more about just defining things instead of evaluating them. "FaceTime.app? Not OS, doesn't count."
By that measure, DOS is the best OS out there. Maybe with one of the pre-emptive multitasking shells for the task switching...
I do get your point, that you don't care what functionality the OS offers, you'd rather leave that up to the programs. But you asked why someone else finds OS X more productive. You were given answers, then just "defined" them away.
You should try El Capitan's search. The only real thing that Windows 10 has over it is the voice agent.
And I fail to see how AirDrop isn't part of OS X, but Cortana is part of Windows 10. They are both equally system components. If you are going to define the OS as just the kernel, security model, and app launcher/switcher...?
Because there isn't one, you just copy the app to wherever you want. Drag and drop.
There are two other methods, including installing iOS-like from the App Store, and, for a small minority of apps, run an installer just like Windows has. The only real difference is in the uninstall process. Of the various methods of installing and uninstalling, that's the one thing Windows does better.
Except, apparently, when it's about the OS you prefer?
You're right that it's personal preference, but it's always been that. So why is it that you seem to dismiss other people's preferences?
Wow, that's extremely dishonest. His Mac is from 2011. And it doesn't matter, as a 2011 Mac is still faster than the average PC of today. Apple doesn't do the low end, which is part of why older Macs fare better, on average, than older PCs.
PC's do age faster, because they start out, on average, already more out of date than a Mac, on average, from the same era.
That's not a "decades-old stereotype", it's a verifiable observation, and I don't see how it applies to the topic at hand. And dissing a guy's computer? And using misleading descriptions to make it look worse? That just makes your argument look worse, to be honest.
Well, I choose what I come up with. So can you. I shan't interfere with yours and neither should you tell me what not to post.
However, if you choose to engage me in a conversation by responding to my posts (remember I didn't force you to reply, you chose to), I'd appreciate it if you could at least respect the context of it, and not spin yarns about a completely different product.
That is all. I shall not entertain any further posts from you that do not pertain to the original post I made.
I was not referring to the OP opinion but to the manner of the posting
Not that I want to get in to a debate of stats of sales but I think the numbers you are quoting are from an old 2009 article that was largely flawed and probably inaccurate as:
1 It did not include non-retail sales
2 Trying to prove the numbers was problematic eg given that generally out of typical 38 laptops on the market costing over $1000 only 4 were made by Apple
Not that I want to get in to a debate of stats of sales but I think the numbers you are quoting are from an old 2009 article that was largely flawed and probably inaccurate as:
1 It did not include non-retail sales
2 Trying to prove the numbers was problematic eg given that generally out of typical 38 laptops on the market costing over $1000 only 4 were made by Apple
In my experience and many other causual (not power users) experience, Mac really does age slower because its a lot less hassle to maintain and has far fewer chance get corrupted through updates unlike PCs. Heck even the iPhone 6s is faster in raw performance than my 2011 MBA, but it still works for Modern Web, 4K and 1080p60 videos and office work without hiccups and the annoyance and the slow down of PCs. For PCs to get great perfomance everyday, they have to tweak many settings, clear caches from specific apps using CCleaner, remove garbage/temp files (from installing/uninstalling a bunch of apps/drivers) AND actually shutting down the OS (or face extremely slow page outs since Windoze eats memory as uptime increases) while a casual user running OS X won't even need to do this seemingly handles all of this stuff while have an uptime of months without giving a degrading performance. This doesn't include the random crashes and the obscure troubleshooting that you need to do to fix the issues. Also, cleaning the hardware with dust removal spray once/3 weeks is a huge factor in maintaning performance of both systems since premature CPU throttling will occur if not maintained.
I admit PC laptop hardware has exponentially come a long way, but it's the OS that makes it far less appealing than a Mac.
Whilst I agree having something decluttered can be a joy to use like the rMB as a perfect travelling laptop partner. The simple truth is we are use to getting more these days be it an extra USB-C socket or a complete plethora of add-ons.
Although their still exists some obvious market for products that do things very well (eg Kindle books) we only have to look at our smartphones that are full of add-ons that many simply do not use, but are bundled and we would feel cheated if they were not.
I simply do not see the same outcry for smartphones to be decluttered as some seem to pose as objections of the dual functionality of the Surface Book.
The Surface Book on paper seems a very impressive laptop in it's own right, the fact it has a detachable screen/tablet option is bonus you pay for that can be ignored, which is no different to the $700-1000 smartphones we have.
I don't see any reasoning that this product is a way of getting 2 products for the price of one at $2600 you are paying a premium for the extra functionality, its just a bundled price. Had it been a fixed screen it would be cheaper and not dissimilar to reductions seen on Windows laptops without touch.
I believe Apple due to the lack of touch in OSX and incompatibility between IOS and OSX hardware precludes them from being more innovative, which is a shame as they could of come up with some interesting modular designs IMO
or a complete plethora of add-ons.Although their still exists some obvious market for products that do things very well (eg Kindle books) we only have to look at our smartphones that are full of add-ons that many simply do not use, but are bundled and we would feel cheated if they were not.
I simply do not see the same outcry for smartphones to be decluttered as some seem to pose as objections of the dual functionality of the Surface Book.
The Surface Book on paper seems a very impressive laptop in it's own right, the fact it has a detachable screen/tablet option is bonus you pay for that can be ignored, which is no different to the $700-1000 smartphones we have.
I don't see any reasoning that this product is a way of getting 2 products for the price of one at $2600 you are paying a premium for the extra functionality, its just a bundled price. Had it been a fixed screen it would be cheaper and not dissimilar to reductions seen on Windows laptops without touch.
I believe Apple due to the lack of touch in OSX and incompatibility between IOS and OSX hardware precludes them from being more innovative, which is a shame as they could of come up with some interesting modular designs IMO
Not sure where this is coming from or why my posting style confuses you.
My contention is that all operating systems are the same. Their job is to sit there without causing trouble and let the apps do the heavy lifting. They aren't important. There is an Apple way of doing things (taskbar at the top of the screen) and there is a Windows way of doing things (taskbar at the bottom of the screen) and aside from those marginal nuances an OS is an OS.
FaceTime and AirDrop are not features of an operating system; they are apps that Apple is making exclusive to their users inasmuch as Cortana is and exclusive app for Windows users. "Spotlight" isn't a thing; it's a fancy name for "Search" which every operating system has.
I am not dismissing anyone else's preferences. I am quite objective on the matter, having ownership of a MacBook running Windows 10 and having 4 MacBook's and 1 iMac in the family. Both operating systems are equal. It's a matter of personal preference, comfort level, and workplace standards, nothing more. There was a time where the Mac OS had legitimate features that good ol' Windows 95 didn't have. In the 20 years that have passed, Microsoft caught up while Apple was focused on world domination of the mobile market. Clear?
BJ
No need to defend the guy. He's making false statements, regurgitating old stereotypes, and has not experienced a 2015-era notebook or a 2015-era Windows operating system. If he thinks that because this is an Apple forum he can go around spreading misinformation, he's not going to be able to, sorry.
In 20 years, "Windoze" has gone from a weak rip off of Mac OS to a solid equal of OSX. Nothing wrong with that. Apple decided to crush the globe in the mobile space, Microsoft doubled-down on operating systems, the world is a better place because of both of these strategies.
BJ
I'm sorry Louis, your posts just don't jump out at me and I honestly don't know what your original post or original point was. If you'd like to engage in conversation on the matter, state a point of view and I'll be happy to respond.
BJ
More misinformation from 2008.
In fact, more like fabrication from 2008. "Dust removal spray"? LOL. Wow.
BJ
While I agree with some of his facts, he clearly can't stay calm more than 5 seconds after someone mentioning something positive about Windows. Cbautis2, I told you already that you need to stop being so hateful on page 3, you're still keeping the hate. Please stop.
That's BS. I have a SP3 and windows 10 runs more reliably, faster and stable then Yosemite did on my MBP.
I understand that many people here hate MS just because this is an apple fan site, but consider many of us have real world experience with windows that is counter to the propaganda that anything out of Redmond is horrible.
MS has a solid product here with the SurfaceBook. Is it better then the MacBook, no because I think the rMB is targeted for a different audience and market. Is the SurfaceBook better then the MBP - at this point being newer, there are a number of design elements that I like that the MBP doesn't have. Will Apple respond? Who knows, but the current MBP is aging and we need to see what Apple does with Skylake.
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Twenty years ago when Apple was a struggling pipsqueak I get the reason for the anti-MS rhetoric. We all lived through that, we got it back then, sort of made sense. MS stole the GUI, Windows 95 dominated, Apple was reduced to ashes.
Flash-forward to today and Apple is the biggest company in the world, it's an amazing story of belief, determination, and innovation, they just crushed it in the mobile space, truly one of the greatest accomplishments corporate or otherwise of the last two centuries.
You'd think that would be enough for most, wouldn't need to perpetuate the myth that Windows is crap. Windows 10 is very good, that's really all an operating system needs to be today. And if 93% of the world is running Windows, well, then 93% of iOS users are running Windows. These Apple vs Microsoft wars are long over. All consumers have embraced both companies best operating systems equally.
BJ