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Really, then why would, if rumours are correct Apple be:
"iPhone: The fifth-generation iPhone may be set to launch as early as January in order to address antenna issues with the iPhone 4. "

If there are no issues then Apple won't be doing this. We shall see.

If we accepted rumors at face value that Apple is really late with their Verizon iPhone which people have been swearing up and down will be released for years now.

Until they pan out, they are just rumors and are pretty meaningless.
 
Really, then why would, if rumours are correct Apple be:
"iPhone: The fifth-generation iPhone may be set to launch as early as January in order to address antenna issues with the iPhone 4. "

If there are no issues then Apple won't be doing this. We shall see.

Good point, but there is widespread perception that there is a problem, so that in itself is a problem. It would be worthwhile for Apple to issue a new phone ASAP, if only to get people to reset their perceptions. For example, Consumer Reports would retest a new phone.
 
"The moral of the story is that if you want AT&T to register your call as having been officially 'dropped', you must wait for over one minute with no signal for the call to cut off and register the call has having been dropped in the system."

Why would anyone want to use their paid minutes to teach a carrier a lesson in morality :confused:
 
If there are no issues then Apple won't be doing this.

All small cell phones have issues to some degree. All cell phone manufacturers would do something about their antennas if they could find a better solution trade-off than they are currently using.

Nokia, Motorola, Apple, & etc. all employ a bunch of PhD's and antenna engineers. Guess why?
 
It depends on where the "actual measured numbers" are being measured. ATT does not make their measurements across everything perceived by the customer-- they are only measuring part of the transaction.

huh? ATT is measuring calls dropped due to loss of signal.
 
The thing is, the iPhone 4 did raise the bar compared to the 3GS, IMHO. As a former 3G owner, the 3GS sucked. Overall, the update was ho hum. Faster CPU and compass was the only real update to the iPhone. Any original owners probably were happy with the upgrade, but overall going from a 3G to 3GS, IMHO was entirely useless as it was a relatively boring update.

The jump from 3GS to 4 is bigger. As Jobs put it, it is the biggest leap since the original. Not only is the 4 faster then the 3GS, you get a far superior screen, redesigned case, better battery life, gyroscope, and more ram. The iPhone 4 brought a lot more to the table then the 3GS did.

While I agree with you totally my issue is even to me iOS4 is showing age. Just because it has Facetime and some other additions its in need of a serious retooling. The issue being competitors offer everything Apple is offering with iOS4 through the Marketplace.
 
Good point, but there is widespread perception that there is a problem, so that in itself is a problem. It would be worthwhile for Apple to issue a new phone ASAP, is only to get people to reset their perceptions. For example, Consumer Reports would retest a new phone.

Exactly. I find it amusing that had Apple shipped with the bumpers attached in the first place, in all likelihood Consumer Reports would have no issues with the phone at all, and would have given it their highest recommendation. Now that the bumpers are a "fix" instead, suddenly there's a problem, and they wouldn't recommend anyone buy the phone. And yes I understand some people find the bumpers to be ugly, but that isn't the reason Consumer Reports has an issue with it.

Well anyway, you can bet iPhone 5 will have a built-in bumper.
 
6% dropped calls??

Who do I have to kill to live in THAT fantasy world!?

Obviously, it is not as though 100% of users are reporting 6% dropped calls. Individual surveyed users are estimating round numbers such as 0, 5%, 20%, and these are being averaged.

Because the numbers are based on user perception, comparing these numbers to any other methodology is meaningless. However, using this same methodology across time, or to compare two different models, is more interesting.
 
BS, There is not a single time that I make a phone call with my ip4 that I dont get a "call failed" and it is the same for my dad's, imagine when we call each other, we don't know whose phone failes first. I'm sure these polls were paid by AppTe&T.
 
It's hard to judge the accuracy of this report due to it's relatively low number of respondents. 200? Ehhh..
 
huh? ATT is measuring calls dropped due to loss of signal.

But as stated in the article, if the user ends the call prematurely because they cannot communicate with the other user, ATT does not count that as a dropped call. Yet you or I would surely perceive this to be a dropped call. As stated in the article, ATT does not count losses of signal shorter than 1 minute. I don't know if the article is correct, but if so the ATT measurement is not validly reflecting the entire user experience.
 
iPhone 4 is the better phone any way you look at it.

When it counts, and where it matters, no one had real issues. "If I held my phone like this, where I don't get good 3G reception anyway, I might drop a call here and there". :violins:

Major metro areas + iphone 4G + case = win.

Everyone should have a case regardless. The idea that you still know it doesn't quite work flawlessly without one is completely irrelevant. Always - ALWAYS - have a good case. Protect your investment. Otherwise, don't complain.

Blood boiling yet?

I'm just friggin' kidding.

(And before you ask, yes, I do enjoy doing that)
 
Here’s another theory: one month later ALL phones are dropping less calls than they used to, because “antennagate” has taught the world an often-overlooked trick to try when signal is iffy: shift your grip!

(Also—Apple must be pleased that the iPhone 4 is achieving such high satisfaction, despite the media whipping its customers into a panic over exaggerated antenna issues, and making them notice issues that had happened on prior phones but gone overlooked!)
 
BS, There is not a single time that I make a phone call with my ip4 that I dont get a "call failed" and it is the same for my dads, imagine when we call each other we dont know whos phone fails first. I'm sure these polls were paid by apple&T.

Somebody has to be in that reported 5.2% minority. Sorry about your bad luck.

My i4 drops less calls than my 3GS did.
 
No matter, the FUD smear campaign has already done its job. Now when people see my iPhone 4 the first thing they say is "Do you have reception problems?" MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! :rolleyes:

The astroturfers/media pundits have moved on to "Android top-selling mobile OS in first half of 2010. ANDROID FTW!"

I can't wait until MS joins the fray with WinPho7. It's gonna be the mother of all astroturfer battles as the Fandroids turn their cannons in Redmond's direction.
 
personally I call the survey rather worthless. The iPhone4 has some rather huge improvements over the 3GS a lot more than the 3GS compared to the 3G.

Also the saftifaction of the devices is higher so of course the drop call complains will go down.
 
The moral of the story is that if you want AT&T to register your call as having been officially "dropped," you must wait for over one minute with no signal for the call to cut off and register the call has having been dropped in the system.

Sounds like a very AT&T thing to do. It also explains why every time I try to call someone back after a drop I immediately get their voicemail, despite the fact that they weren't trying to call me back yet.

I estimate that 50% of my AT&T calls are dropped these days, verses about 10% a year and a half ago. I know it's not my iPhone, I know it's the network because it's become drastically worse with every AT&T phone I have (and my friends who have AT&T but not iPhones), and I live in Dallas - where their f*#king headquarters is!

Steve said that AT&T can have a tower built in Texas within two weeks, and I can tell you that while that may be true they sure aren't doing it.
 
All small cell phones have issues to some degree. All cell phone manufacturers would do something about their antennas if they could find a better solution trade-off than they are currently using.

Nokia, Motorola, Apple, & etc. all employ a bunch of PhD's and antenna engineers. Guess why?

Yes, thats a well known fact. However, Apple suffers most from the Antenna issue. This is what iPhone 4 will be remembered for.

Reality or not, its a widely held perspection. Mud sticks.

See Gasu E. great posting above.

It's a rumor. Come back in six months and ask the same question if the rumor actually pans out. Until then take it on face value - an unsubstantiated rumor.

yes, I know its a rumour. I did actually say, its a rumour in the post. :)
 
It's hard to judge the accuracy of this report due to it's relatively low number of respondents. 200? Ehhh..

As mentioned, that number is really low and definitely impacts the confidence interval. (For those not mathematically/statistically inclined, there are issues with their study.) One can also presume that those who did provide feedback were already unhappy with their phone and/or service. Too many weak spots with the "study", IMO.
 
Here’s another theory: one month later ALL phones are dropping less calls than they used to, because “antennagate” has taught the world an often-overlooked trick to try when signal is iffy: shift your grip!

Plus, in addition to (smart, agile, non-handicapped) people having learned how to "hold different", when required, there are probably a lot more bumpers and cases being shipped now than a month ago.

It would be interesting to see if the dropped call statistic improved for other brands of cell phones as well, due to antennagate awareness in the general public.
 
MacRumors or MacInvestor?

Here's a tip, buy this domain macinvestor.com and put this kind of "news" there. Then all the fanatics on both sides of the fence can have at it over there. Maybe then, this site can go back to giving us rumors of what's coming and what's going. Starting to think you're getting funding from Apple or something. And stop removing my posts. I don't post anything any more offensive then the next guy.
 
The 4 has fewer dropped calls cause they must have fixed something to keep the phone on when there is not sufficiant service. When I am on the phone and I have one bar instead of it dropping the call I get to listen to the person on the other end say "I can't hear you"; "hello; hello" which IMO is a lot more annyoying than dropping the call.
 
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