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Swan M10s
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OK, well I bought a properly shielded RCA cable to run from my Mac to the center channel/amp. That did help with the RF interference, showing that it is partly the cheap RCA cable that can be a problem. I also moved the center channel/amp across the room. The result was that the center channel/amp was no longer playing Magic 95.5 FM by itself with no input.
HOWEVER, when I plugged in the satellites to the center channel/amp, I got major buzzing (worse than before) and some radio station playing through as well.
My conclusion? The cables that run from each satellite to the center channel/amp are also cheap and poorly shielded. They need to be replaced to remove the buzzing.
Since they are hard-wired, unlike the computer to center channel/amp cable, I will need to get inside the satellites and see if I can re-do the wiring.
My thoughts on the Swan M10 so far are that they are a cheap Made in China product that is inadequately shielded from RF interference and buzzing, and comes with the cheapest of RCA cables. They do sound good, if you don't have buzzing problems. But I recommend people look at the Logitech Z-2300 or the M-Audio AV30 or AV40 instead.
Anyone have experience opening up these satellites or re-wiring the satellites with better cabling?
HOWEVER, when I plugged in the satellites to the center channel/amp, I got major buzzing (worse than before) and some radio station playing through as well.
My conclusion? The cables that run from each satellite to the center channel/amp are also cheap and poorly shielded. They need to be replaced to remove the buzzing.
Since they are hard-wired, unlike the computer to center channel/amp cable, I will need to get inside the satellites and see if I can re-do the wiring.
My thoughts on the Swan M10 so far are that they are a cheap Made in China product that is inadequately shielded from RF interference and buzzing, and comes with the cheapest of RCA cables. They do sound good, if you don't have buzzing problems. But I recommend people look at the Logitech Z-2300 or the M-Audio AV30 or AV40 instead.
Anyone have experience opening up these satellites or re-wiring the satellites with better cabling?
EXACTLY! I've been saying this since day 1. Not only are they cheaply made from China, but they cost as little as $35 in China. People are being blinded by their looks, and not really paying much attention to the sound, other than it being "clear", which is obvious due to the majority liking them. Sorry, but a $20 pair of speakers can be "clear" too.
Buzzing was also something I mentioned these speakers having. I had a pair myself, and quickly returned them after realizing I want good sound, not necessarily looks. When you open up the speakers, and see how nice they look, and the nice little white gloves, you think you have quality - until you see how light and cheap they are. The looks are making up for the lack of sound, and unfortunately most people have fallen into that trap.
M-Audio make VERY good speakers, and as I've also said in the past, M-Audio AV40's are SO much better than the Swan's.
Thread Bump.
I recently bought some Swan M12's, and I have to say I am thoroughly impressed. I haven't experienced any interference coming from the highway, (I used to pick up random CB chatter from truckers with my old speakers) and my cellphone only buzzes my speakers if it is sitting on the sub.
The fidelity is top notch. I listen to a fair amount of classical and can hear the actual performers turn pages, and move their instruments that I couldn't hear before. The Bass is perfect for me, not overpowering but felt. And if I play some Ronald Jenkees the little sub can move a fair amount of air.
Not sure the difference between M10's and M12's. (After a few emails a Mr Lane at Audio Insider.recommended the M12's over the M10's) But I'm highly satisfied with the purchase of my Swan Speakers.
I recently bought some Swan M12's, and I have to say I am thoroughly impressed. I haven't experienced any interference coming from the highway, (I used to pick up random CB chatter from truckers with my old speakers) and my cellphone only buzzes my speakers if it is sitting on the sub.
The fidelity is top notch. I listen to a fair amount of classical and can hear the actual performers turn pages, and move their instruments that I couldn't hear before. The Bass is perfect for me, not overpowering but felt. And if I play some Ronald Jenkees the little sub can move a fair amount of air.
Not sure the difference between M10's and M12's. (After a few emails a Mr Lane at Audio Insider.recommended the M12's over the M10's) But I'm highly satisfied with the purchase of my Swan Speakers.
Got some M10's back in the middle of November - they're absolutely wonderful. Great fidelity, not overpowering, no static of any kind at any volume, would recommend to anyone!
my swan m10s sound alot better after the burn in period. I am happy to see that people are happy with them they look nice and they sound good to.
As am I. In the end it only matters if people are satisfied. By my count, it's:
Positive:
thegoldenmackid
jessica.
DEE9299
Fozzybadfeet
Xavier
steve knight
buzzbuzzbuzz
Crantastic
JurgenWigg
smwatson
lostfan916
munson
elfxmilhouse
gfhoward (had problems, but asked to be placed in this group after a replacement)
Negative:
nyguy4u
Unclear:
iCheddar (claims that they were the "best computer speakers" they ever owned, but had issues)
RaceTripper
KidMoe85
umgoblue2008
Happy With The M12s:
Shivetya
munson
Nuck81
thegoldenmackid
jessica.
DEE9299
Fozzybadfeet
Xavier
steve knight
buzzbuzzbuzz
Crantastic
JurgenWigg
smwatson
lostfan916
munson
elfxmilhouse
gfhoward (had problems, but asked to be placed in this group after a replacement)
Negative:
nyguy4u
Unclear:
iCheddar (claims that they were the "best computer speakers" they ever owned, but had issues)
RaceTripper
KidMoe85
umgoblue2008
Happy With The M12s:
Shivetya
munson
Nuck81
So that leaves the M10s at 93% positive and Swan as a whole at 94% positive. The other three could obviously change the make-up of the quick poll, but I would say that those numbers are very good.
Swans are like many other products... some people will like them and some people will not..some will get a perfect set and some will get a set with some issues ..it all boils down to what you personal taste is along with others reviews and no company has ever made a product line that did not have issues for example Apple makes sick stuff but their new iMacs ran into some problems.......
I didn't want to create a new thread, so I'll bump this one.
Here is a question to the Audiophiles (specifically GoldenMacKid)
So as I was getting ready for tonight I had my Swan M12's blasting, had the bass all the way up, Volume on the sub max, Itunes volume max, and Mac volume about 3/4. Things where going great, I was jamming, singing and getting ready, I was listening to something pretty bass heavy when I noticed the sub was cutting out and popping every few seconds and jumping back in. I went in and while checking cables noticed the back of the sub was blazing hot, like burning your hand hot.
So the question is, was I just pushing the little guy too hard, or do I have a bigger problem?
My guess is the built in amp was just getting over pushed but wanted to make sure.
PS: it stopped after I turned the bass and volume down a little.
Here is a question to the Audiophiles (specifically GoldenMacKid)
So as I was getting ready for tonight I had my Swan M12's blasting, had the bass all the way up, Volume on the sub max, Itunes volume max, and Mac volume about 3/4. Things where going great, I was jamming, singing and getting ready, I was listening to something pretty bass heavy when I noticed the sub was cutting out and popping every few seconds and jumping back in. I went in and while checking cables noticed the back of the sub was blazing hot, like burning your hand hot.
So the question is, was I just pushing the little guy too hard, or do I have a bigger problem?
My guess is the built in amp was just getting over pushed but wanted to make sure.
PS: it stopped after I turned the bass and volume down a little.
Yeah. You are probably clipping the amp and/or overdriving the subwoofer driver.
Amp clipping kills speakers...so turn it down a notch.
Amp clipping seems like the culrpit. It's just a fancy way of saying, you turned it up too much. The amp was trying to be more powerful then it's physically limited to.
Guess I'll have to put a limit on my Jamming out.
Marcus Miller will be very disappointed in me....
Marcus Miller will be very disappointed in me....
Me again.....
My Sub hasn't clipped out anymore but it still runs hot. How hot is too hot? I know it's going to heat up, but even at half volume it still feels awfully warm to me.
Any advice on where I should set my Bass, treble, and volume knob to help with the heat? Should I control volume from the Speakers, Itunes, or the Mac?
Also any way to reduce the "pop" when I turn the sub off? No matter what I do it pops loud. I;ve tried turning the volume down, unplugging it from the mac, everything I can think of and it pops loud through the sub and satellites.
My first set of speakers that amounted to anything so this is all new to me. For all I know this is all normal and I'm just making myself look like a noob.
My Sub hasn't clipped out anymore but it still runs hot. How hot is too hot? I know it's going to heat up, but even at half volume it still feels awfully warm to me.
Any advice on where I should set my Bass, treble, and volume knob to help with the heat? Should I control volume from the Speakers, Itunes, or the Mac?
Also any way to reduce the "pop" when I turn the sub off? No matter what I do it pops loud. I;ve tried turning the volume down, unplugging it from the mac, everything I can think of and it pops loud through the sub and satellites.
My first set of speakers that amounted to anything so this is all new to me. For all I know this is all normal and I'm just making myself look like a noob.
I've never had any problems with heat, but it sounds like we keep our speakers at two different levels. As for the pop, I have no solution. I just don't turn mine off very often.
Its really just the very back of the sub. I know it's supposed to have some heat to it, just don't know when it is too much. and I haven't really been pushing them hard. I got shy about turning it up after last weekend.
All my research points to the fact that I just am limited on my knowledge of decent systems.
Every Issue I've been concerned about is usual from standard usage. A benefit of my searching has educated me in the proper usage of my equalizer. The Swans have taken flight to a whole new level now.
Every Issue I've been concerned about is usual from standard usage. A benefit of my searching has educated me in the proper usage of my equalizer. The Swans have taken flight to a whole new level now.
So as an update, I received a replacement set of Swan M-10s from Jon, and it's true the first set I received was defective. This new set is properly shielded and does not exhibit the rf interference I had with the first set. So count me in the "happy" group now, although in the meantime I bought a set of Logitech Z-2300, and I have to say they have better sound than the Swans for the same money. Better clarity and sound from the satellites and much better bass from the sub. So for the money, I'd say go with the Z-2300. I've been able to compare them side by side, in the same room, using the same music.
The Logitech sub sounds MUCH better than the Swans. Mostly because, as you said, the Swan subwoofer isn't a subwoofer.
I laugh as I see all these people with the Swans cutting out, overheating, etc. That's because, like I said months ago, they aren't a high-end speaker. They aren't made to be. They are meant to be a middle of the range product. The M12's are their high end, not the M10's.
You won't have these issues with the Logitech system.
The Z-2300's sound MUCH better than the Swans. Do they look as good as the Swans?.. no. Do they sound better?.. hell yea!
The bass isn't going to get to the loudness of the Logitech's. If you thought that was going to occur, we seriously misled you. The Swans definitely have a noticeably better sound at about 30 hours. The quality and clarity will increase, something that I don't believe the Logitechs hold over the Swans.
Side-note: I stopped by their booth at CES, their theater system was quite incredible.
I spoke with a rep their briefly about the M10 vs. M12 and the life of both. The M12 is not likely to be manufactured again given it's poor sales numbers. Neither one was Swan's "high-end" multimedia system.
Side-note: I stopped by their booth at CES, their theater system was quite incredible.
I spoke with a rep their briefly about the M10 vs. M12 and the life of both. The M12 is not likely to be manufactured again given it's poor sales numbers. Neither one was Swan's "high-end" multimedia system.