Swift Creator and Former Apple Engineer Chris Lattner Joins Google's AI Team

Discussion in 'iOS Blog Discussion' started by MacRumors, Aug 14, 2017.

  1. MacRumors macrumors bot

    MacRumors

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2001
    #1
    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]
    Chris Lattner, once responsible for leading the teams behind Xcode and Swift, made headlines earlier this year when he left Apple to work at Tesla.

    At the time, Lattner told MacRumors the opportunity to work on Tesla's self-driving project with the Tesla Autopilot team was "irresistible." Lattner lasted just six months at Tesla, however, and left the company in June.

    "Chris just wasn't the right fit for Tesla and we've decided to make a change," the company told The Wall Street Journal after Lattner exited. Lattner went on to announce on Twitter that he was seeking companies interested in a "seasoned engineering leader," which has apparently led to a new role at Google.

    Lattner today announced that he has joined the Google Brain team to work on artificial intelligence. Google Brain is Google's research unit, and Lattner is expected to work on TensorFlow, Google's open-source machine learning software.

    Article Link: Swift Creator and Former Apple Engineer Chris Lattner Joins Google's AI Team
     
  2. Asarien macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Location:
    Oakland, CA
    #2
    Don't know why he had to even bother posting anything on Twitter when Google gladly takes any of Apple's former employees.
     
  3. Solomani macrumors 68040

    Solomani

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2012
    Location:
    Alberto, Canado
    #3
    A company-jumper. The grass is always greener on the other side. Until he finds out it isn't (lasted barely 6 months at Tesla).
     
  4. jdillings macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2015
    #4
    I don't think it was his choice to leave Tesla. It sounds more like he was fired.
     
  5. WBRacing macrumors 65816

    WBRacing

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Location:
    UK
    #5
    That seems like just the sort of detail that might of been included in the article...

    So you or someone you know has never gone in for a role and then had it not work out? Doesn't make you a company jumper. :rolleyes:
     
  6. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2002
    #6
    Lots of companies look all nice & yummy from the outside. Then when you finally do get hired, you soon find out about all the petty infighting & incompetent hostile managers. Been there. Done that. Jumping companies is very risky cuz you never know what snake pit you'll end up in. Could very well be worse than the hell-hole you're already in.
     
  7. Zirel Suspended

    Zirel

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    #7
    He did a very wrong move the moment he stepped out of Apple’s door.

    Now he’s working on better ways to data mine people’s emails and photos, and serve more annoying ads on YouTube.
     
  8. Fzang macrumors 65816

    Fzang

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2013
    #8
    But is the hiring manager going to believe that in today's job market?
     
  9. Aluminum213 macrumors 68040

    Aluminum213

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2012
    #9
    Revolving door of the same talent in Silicon Valley
     
  10. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

    Kaibelf

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2009
    Location:
    Silicon Valley, CA
    #10
    Most people don’t put out statements as they move around.
     
  11. adamjackson macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    #11
    I know a lot of Silicon Valley 'company-jumpers' and Chris is not one of them. He was at Apple from 2005 to 2017. Most people I know are at a new startup every 6-12 months. Just because after 12 years at Apple, he was not a good fit with Teslas (ethos, culture, programming, management, whatever it was) and is now at Google doesn't make him a company jumper.

    Now, 5 years from now, if he's worked at 10 different companies, your opinion may be valid.
     
  12. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2016
    #12
    A statement without evidence proving otherwise. Nor did you take in account his previous track record with his longevity with Apple.
     
  13. Westside guy macrumors 603

    Westside guy

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2003
    Location:
    The soggy side of the Pacific NW
    #13
    Here's his full employment history since leaving the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

    2005 - January 2017: Apple
    January 2017 - June 2017: Tesla
    Hired August 2017 by Google

    Yeah, that doesn't really fit the "company jumper" profile. It looks like he just didn't fit well at Tesla.
     
  14. RogerWilco macrumors 6502a

    RogerWilco

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2011
    #14
    Have to love the excuse machine that gets rolled out for anything and everyone linked to Apple. What will the excuses be when the dude pops up at FB next year? :cool:
     
  15. thekeyring macrumors 68040

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Location:
    London
    #15
    It's interesting someone could be so key to Apple, and still want to work for Google.
     
  16. BootsWalking macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2014
    #16
    Google pays Apple $1B+/year to let them mine your data.
     
  17. macfacts macrumors 68040

    macfacts

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2012
    Location:
    Cybertron
    #17
    It is funny how there is one group of people Apple is willing to pay (workers), and they have no problem switching sides and doing what's good for themselves; and another group (customers) who are willing to give money to Apple and that group are super loyal.
     
  18. nutmac macrumors 601

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    #18
    We may never know what happened between Tesla and Chris Lattner.

    First of all, I admire Chris Lattner's contributions at Apple with highest respect.

    If I were to guess, Tesla's autopilot project was a huge pivot for his talents and expertise. He's probably done some great work at Tesla, but I bet he was faced with huge learning curves. Combined that with Elon Musk's extreme demand, it eventually stressed out both parties.

    As a developer myself (albeit at much lower caliber than Chris), I relate to his desire to pivot and I applaud his courage.

    I hope he finds better work-life-learning balance at Google.
     
  19. vmachiel macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Location:
    Holland
    #19
    That doesn't say anything about his chances at Google. I'll bet he'll do well there.
     
  20. wilhoitm macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    #20
    Maybe he tried to get the Tesla autopilot team to convert over to using Swift 4? :-o

    Does anyone know what language the Tesla autopilot team uses? :)
     
  21. macduke macrumors G4

    macduke

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2007
    Location:
    Central U.S.
    #21
    Elon Musk keeps warning about the dangers of AI. He warned again just the other day. Now he's on Google's AI team. Maybe this isn't where they saw eye to eye?
     
  22. applefanDrew macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2010
    #22
    C++
     
  23. jerryk macrumors 601

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2011
    Location:
    SF Bay Area
    #23
    Working at Google Brain would be my dream job. I have great respect for Jeff Dean and company.
     
  24. coolfactor macrumors 601

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2002
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC CANADA
    #24
    The one thing that strikes me about him is a complete lack of loyalty. He makes purely selfish decisions, but the world is ultimately better for it, because the guy is a genius.
     
  25. adamjackson, Aug 14, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2017

    adamjackson macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    #25
    Source?


    Edit: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/goo...lion-to-remain-default-search--bernstein.html

    Google is paying Apple billions of dollars to remain the default search engine on iPhones and iPads, Bernstein said in a note to investors on Monday.

    I'm not sure why Google remaining the default search engine on Macintosh / iOS = Google mining Apple customers for data.

    One would argue that the majority of people using Apple devices are already Google customers and would set their default search to Google if given the choice between 4 search engines at device setup but Apple is smart to allow Google to pay them to give the user one less prompt at first boot and users can easily change it to another search engine like DuckDuckGo.

    However, it is not disclosed anywhere that Apple is passing any of their customers information to Google beyond what Google collects from every web browser (location, screen size, OS, searched term, etc).

    That's taking a story and blowing it way out of proportion to fit your narrative that Apple is just like everyone else and doesn't give a **** about our privacy. They've never done anything that we've found out about to prove the contrary.

    The moment it's discovered that Apple is doing way more than they disclose on their privacy site with our data or they do something opposite to what they've stated, it's going to seriously erode their market cap. User trust is a huge deal to Apple's current success. Everyone expects Google and Facebook to mine and use data against them but with Apple, a lot of our use of their hardware & services is because of the privacy benefits we have.

    The fact that a programmer worked at Apple and now Google says nothing about Apple's commitment to privacy. He as an individual chose to work at Google. Twisting it into a narrative about Google & Apple being the same when it comes to our data is a huge stretch.
     

Share This Page

50 August 14, 2017