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Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have the same goddamn clock over here in Holland. So the ppl in Switzerland should accuse us too!!!!
 
it's obviously different. all three hands are pointing in different directions. the railway clock reads 12:40, while the iPad clock reads 9:38. case closed.

Apple sued over a rectangle so they are as guilty as sin for copying the clock. And the Beatles Apple Record logo. And...... Apple has created a lot of bad karma. Time for them to pay the price.
 
Theft is theft? Maybe the Swiss should finally give back all of the Jewish art, gold etc that the Nazi's stole. There's no denying that either, unless you're Swiss...

How is this germane to the topic? Completely unrelated. Not disagreeing with your premise re: what the Nazi's stole - but that's a completely different matter

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Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have the same goddamn clock over here in Holland. So the ppl in Switzerland should accuse us too!!!!

Perhaps it was licensed?

Are people missing the whole point here?
 
I think this is a case of "if you play with fire you might get burned". Apple like to bring out the legal hammer as often as possible and I'm glad they're getting a taste of their own medicine in this case as it's absolutely justified. I like Apple but if they play this litigious game this is what'll happen.

Apple's lawyers are great. I'm sure the Swiss clock's design will have to be changed instead.
 
Wow, look at all you armchair attorneys here getting it wrong. OMG LOL the CLOCKS look the SAME it's COPYING Apple owes Switzerland a BEELEEON DOLALRS OMG LOL case CLOSED! Whoa there, Nelly. We aren't nearly that far along yet.

The clock is clearly a copy. No question about it, and no the relative widths of the hour marks and such don't matter -- taken it its totality, there is no question that it is the same design. However, it may or may not be infringement, and even if it is infringement, it may be legal. There are a number of bases by which this could be the case:

1. Applicable copyrights/patents may have expired, or may not have applied in certain territories central to Apple's use.
2. Prior art may exist that invalidates applicable copyrights/patents, despite the latter having been successfully asserted in the interim-- see the two cases of RKO Pictures vs. Universal (Universal wins on claim that King Kong is public domain and not a protectible RKO copyright) and then Universal vs. Nintendo (Nintendo uses RKO outcome to win against claim that Donkey Kong infringes a Universal copyright for King Kong) for an example of this particular chain of events.
3. Apple may own some entity that owns the rights to applicable copyrights/patents for the clock face, or may in the past have licensed those rights themselves. The SRR spokesperson may not have confirmed with the Swiss Attorney General (or whomever would handle this) on whether this is the case.
4. The one the Samsung folks hate: The design elements might be inseparable from the functional elements, and thus not protectible. Granted, after the Apple v. Samsung outcome, it seems like Apple won on this basis on some pretty broad design IP, but the courts, believe it or not, do hear and decide regularly on distinctions much more granular. It doesn't have to be the ribbon bike rack for this factor to apply.
5. Because iOS 6 is offered free of charge and the smartphone market is not especially closely tied to the rail transportation market, Apple's use of the design IP might be infringing but still constitute fair use under 17 USC 107. There is a four-factor balancing test that a court would apply, based on the "Oh, Pretty Woman" case of Campbell v. Acuff-Rose.
6. Other IP law provisions, domestic and international, may apply.

Or, of course, this might be flat-out infringement, to which Apple would be actionable. Following Apple's own rationale in Apple v. Samsung, at first glance it certainly looks that way on its face. My take is that it is unlikely that Apple's corporate attorneys greenlighted this without having some basis to believe it would pass legal muster, such as one or more of the above. But we don't know at this point, and indeed someone might have dropped the ball and punched their ticket out of Cupertino in so doing. Until more facts come out, we are just speculating. Clearly, Apple should be held to the same standard to which Apple wanted Samsung to be held, with regard to IP protection.

/I am not your attorney and this is not legal advice.
 
They might have a case if apple were selling actual wrist watches or clocks like that....This is just a digital picture of the clock.
 
Hmm, Apple usually like to make sure everything is water tight before releasing something I.e getting licences and references in order etc. wonder why they didn't this time. A software designer must've seen this clock and said it looks great, would be great as a clock in iOS, and should've contacted the people who made the clock, since it is a big thing in Switzerland, like Big Ben in UK. Brain fart perhaps. They'll licence it or remove it.
 
Wow, look at all you armchair attorneys here getting it wrong. OMG LOL the CLOCKS look the SAME it's COPYING Apple owes Switzerland a BEELEEON DOLALRS OMG LOL case CLOSED! Whoa there, Nelly. We aren't nearly that far along yet.

The clock is clearly a copy. No question about it, and no the relative widths of the hour marks and such don't matter -- taken it its totality, there is no question that it is the same design. However, it may or may not be infringement, and even if it is infringement, it may be legal. There are a number of bases by which this could be the case:

1. Applicable copyrights/patents may have expired, or may not have applied in certain territories central to Apple's use.
2. Prior art may exist that invalidates applicable copyrights/patents, despite the latter having been successfully asserted in the interim-- see the two cases of RKO Pictures vs. Universal (Universal wins on claim that King Kong is public domain and not a protectible RKO copyright) and then Universal vs. Nintendo (Nintendo uses RKO outcome to win against claim that Donkey Kong infringes a Universal copyright for King Kong) for an example of this particular chain of events.
3. Apple may own some entity that owns the rights to applicable copyrights/patents for the clock face, or may in the past have licensed those rights themselves. The SRR spokesperson may not have confirmed with the Swiss Attorney General (or whomever would handle this) on whether this is the case.
4. The one the Samsung folks hate: The design elements might be inseparable from the functional elements, and thus not protectible. Granted, after the Apple v. Samsung outcome, it seems like Apple won on this basis on some pretty broad design IP, but the courts, believe it or not, do hear and decide regularly on distinctions much more granular. It doesn't have to be the ribbon bike rack for this factor to apply.
5. Because iOS 6 is offered free of charge and the smartphone market is not especially closely tied to the rail transportation market, Apple's use of the design IP might be infringing but still constitute fair use under 17 USC 107. There is a four-factor balancing test that a court would apply, based on the "Oh, Pretty Woman" case of Campbell v. Acuff-Rose.
6. Other IP law provisions, domestic and international, may apply.

Or, of course, this might be flat-out infringement, to which Apple would be actionable. Following Apple's own rationale in Apple v. Samsung, at first glance it certainly looks that way on its face. My take is that it is unlikely that Apple's corporate attorneys greenlighted this without having some basis to believe it would pass legal muster, such as one or more of the above. But we don't know at this point, and indeed someone might have dropped the ball and punched their ticket out of Cupertino in so doing. Until more facts come out, we are just speculating. Clearly, Apple should be held to the same standard to which Apple wanted Samsung to be held, with regard to IP protection.

/I am not your attorney and this is not legal advice.

Can you summarize that in a 4 panel cartoon, please?
 
Uh, the galaxy S II or S ii is nothing like the iPhone but you know, its different when you are in the defendants seat.

we are not talking about components used within the clock to make it tick....then there would be any discussion.

This is only based on the looks, and how would an icon hurt the swiss companies bottom line?
 
Whew, boy am I glad my iPad first gen will not get banned over this because it will never get a clock...or a calculator...
 
5. Because iOS 6 is offered free of charge and the smartphone market is not especially closely tied to the rail transportation market, Apple's use of the design IP might be infringing but still constitute fair use under 17 USC 107. There is a four-factor balancing test that a court would apply, based on the "Oh, Pretty Woman" case of Campbell v. Acuff-Rose.


/I am not your attorney and this is not legal advice.

re: #5 - Apple seems to go after tons of companies or organizations that use an apple in their logo. No matter HOW different it is from their own. And recently went after a foreign supermarket whose domain name is a.pl. And these are examples that are not even remotely copies.

I think Apple should have or should be licensing the use of the clock IF they want to use it and IF the license is valid. My .02
 
Not quite identical

The hour marks are thicker and the minute marks are much thinner on Apple's design. Actually the swiss version looks better
 
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