Switching From iPhone to Android Just Got Easier With Android 17

[jimbobb24]

This is a wild article for a Mac centric website.

 

[Ethrem]

And that's your issue.

Tensor is built for Android, not paranoidOS.

Graphene is faster than stock Android because it doesn't have a million processes running in the background but nice try at trolling.

 

[MrSnirf]

That will be lovely, but unfortunately, the os makers(Google & Apple) are not going to allow that unless they are forced to, they really love the money they make with their cloud ecosystems.

Oh its coming, only a matter of time. Apple is currently facing a lawsuit over that i think.

 

[Steve Adams]

That's why we as a family are moving completely to FOSS and self hosted options. Enough of the corporate machine ripping us for their pleasure. Taking back our data, PC's and tech.

 

[Ethrem]

That's why we as a family are moving completely to FOSS and self hosted options. Enough of the corporate machine ripping us for their pleasure. Taking back our data, PC's and tech.

I will be dragged kicking and screaming away from my Apple products but I fear that ultimately that's how it's going to be because I'm not going to be handing out my identification to get lost in breaches all over the web. Fortunately, I put CachyOS on my desktop PC to mess with and I actually quite like it compared to previous Linux experiences (still like my Mac more but I could live with it) but man it's going to be a drag having to go back to a Pixel so I can use GrapheneOS... I really don't care for Android anymore and it's sooooooo slow...

 

[Steve Adams]

I will be dragged kicking and screaming away from my Apple products but I fear that ultimately that's how it's going to be because I'm not going to be handing out my identification to get lost in breaches all over the web. Fortunately, I put CachyOS on my desktop PC to mess with and I actually quite like it compared to previous Linux experiences (still like my Mac more but I could live with it) but man it's going to be a drag having to go back to a Pixel so I can use GrapheneOS... I really don't care for Android anymore and it's sooooooo slow...

Funny, I work in the telecom industry and the iPhones are slower than most android devices these days. The samsung and Pixels are quicker doing things now.

 

[eifelbube]

The EU regulators have informed Apple that it’s in their financial interest to not care about the EU (The rest of the world still gets iPhone mirroring, Siri AI, etc). …

MR: When you set up a new Android smartphone or iPhone, there are now simple built-in options to transfer data from a competing platform. …
The Digital Markets Act requires services to offer data portability to prevent lock-in to an operating system. It also forced Apple and Google to implement a simplified eSIM transfer process.

What are you complaining about? I’d rather do without iPhone mirroring and Siri AI than without a Commission that forces ecosystem monopolies to implement interoperability.

 

[eifelbube]

The DMA is 100% about where the manufacturer is. It’s why the DMA explicitly EXCLUDES Spotify as that was the only service where an EU company had a controlling marketshare. The DMA was about competition and there doesn’t appear to be any more competition and it doesn’t look like any competition is forthcoming. They could have done nothing and still had the same two market leaders. 🙂

The DMA does not explicitly exclude Spotify, that is false. The EC handled this much smarter by exempting music streaming from the core platform service classification. As a result, marketshare controlling Spotify is not a gatekeeper. Admitted, this smells of protectionism. On the other hand, because Spotify does not have a multiple-product hardware and OS ecosystem, they cannot really lock you in, impede interoperability, or resort to self-preferential schemes.

The DMA is not simply about competition. It is to ensure fair competition, to create more open digital environments, to enhance consumer protection, and to limit the dominance of major tech companies (the latter happen to be US based).

 

[eifelbube]

So the DMA mandated that there be an easy way to move from one US based company to another US based company? Thanks EU? Solidifying both of their market presence? Increasing competition from 2 to… 2?

Sorry, but you are reading the DMA wrong.

 

[eifelbube]

… And, three of those run the same OS before DMA and run the same OS today (and it’s always been easy to switch between them) …

And now it is even easier!

 

[eifelbube]

Android is significantly less private than iOS out of the box. Sure you can customize it to be just as private, but 99% of users aren’t going to do that. So I’s push back on “ads are the same on both” and “what they do with your data is the same on both”

Sadly, if 99% of users on iOS under Settings > Apps > Safari > Advanced > Privacy: Block All Cookies did enable the latter, they would find that their request to Apple for privacy protection is ignored. The last time I did this on my iPhone, among the multiple cookies that made it past the block was this one:

apple.com (1.6 MB).

And the same company once also known for user friendliness, does not give you an easy and built-in way to inspect the contents of cookies. You have to connect your iOS device to your Mac to be able to do so.

Preaching Privacy Protection must be more Profitable than Practicing it.

 

[Steve Adams]

Sadly, if 99% of users on iOS under Settings > Apps > Safari > Advanced > Privacy: Block All Cookies did enable the latter, they would find that their request to Apple for privacy protection is ignored. The last time I did this on my iPhone, among the multiple cookies that made it past the block was this one:

apple.com (1.6 MB).

And the same company once also known for user friendliness, does not give you an easy and built-in way to inspect the contents of cookies. You have to connect your iOS device to your Mac to be able to do so.

Preaching Privacy Protection must be more Profitable than Practicing it.

Exactly. Apple are hypocrites when it comes to security and privacy. As I mentioned before. I work in the industry, the amount of iPhones that have come in with malware/spyware/hacked problems are 6 to 1 on android now. It's brutal. Apple is smoke and mirrors when it comes to privacy. Apple does not care about users privacy. They only care about how wide users will open their wallets for the "next big thing" from apple because of the shiny logo. I was that person for awhile but have since learned the truth.

 

[surferfb]

Sadly, if 99% of users on iOS under Settings > Apps > Safari > Advanced > Privacy: Block All Cookies did enable the latter, they would find that their request to Apple for privacy protection is ignored. The last time I did this on my iPhone, among the multiple cookies that made it past the block was this one:

apple.com (1.6 MB).

I’ve never said Apple was perfect, just that they’re significantly better than Android when it comes to privacy, which is undeniably true. I’m not shocked that a feature I suspect .05% of users have ever turned on is buggy; of course that doesn’t excuse it not doing what it says it does. Apple should fix it.

And the same company once also known for user friendliness, does not give you an easy and built-in way to inspect the contents of cookies. You have to connect your iOS device to your Mac to be able to do so.

Preaching Privacy Protection must be more Profitable than Practicing it.

I’m going to strongly push back on “Apple doesn’t let you inspect cookies therefore they don’t care about privacy”. Again, that’s something .05% of users are going to do. I’m a power user who is comfortable in terminal and don’t think I’ve ever inspected cookies.

Apple is at scale. Their time is much better spent on privacy features the masses will use, like ATT, encryption, etc. than something a handful of tech nerds and privacy researchers are going to use.

 

[I7guy]

Sadly, if 99% of users on iOS under Settings > Apps > Safari > Advanced > Privacy: Block All Cookies did enable the latter, they would find that their request to Apple for privacy protection is ignored. The last time I did this on my iPhone, among the multiple cookies that made it past the block was this one:

apple.com (1.6 MB).

And the same company once also known for user friendliness, does not give you an easy and built-in way to inspect the contents of cookies. You have to connect your iOS device to your Mac to be able to do so.

Preaching Privacy Protection must be more Profitable than Practicing it.

Exactly. Apple are hypocrites when it comes to security and privacy. As I mentioned before. I work in the industry, the amount of iPhones that have come in with malware/spyware/hacked problems are 6 to 1 on android now. It's brutal. Apple is smoke and mirrors when it comes to privacy. Apple does not care about users privacy. They only care about how wide users will open their wallets for the "next big thing" from apple because of the shiny logo. I was that person for awhile but have since learned the truth.

Possible there are reasons for the cookies that are unknown to us posters. But let’s not let that get in the way of a good slam on Apple.

And I agree with the 6 to 1 android vs iPhone. It’s a little bit of hacker open season out there. So be careful.

 

[Steve Adams]

Possible there are reasons for the cookies that are unknown to us posters. But let’s not let that get in the way of a good slam on Apple.

And I agree with the 6 to 1 android vs iPhone. It’s a little bit of hacker open season out there. So be careful.

I mean 6 iphones to 1 andriod my friend. I slam ALL the major players are they are ALL doing the same thing behind the scenes. It used to be the other way around, but now all the phones with issues of icloud hacks etc is startling. Apple is no better than any other company when it comes to security and privacy. They have better marketing teams to make users think they are better.

 

[surferfb]

I mean 6 iphones to 1 andriod my friend. I slam ALL the major players are they are ALL doing the same thing behind the scenes. It used to be the other way around, but now all the phones with issues of icloud hacks etc is startling. Apple is no better than any other company when it comes to security and privacy. They have better marketing teams to make users think they are better.

Anecdotes are not data.

• Here's a 2023 survey paper citing McAfee data report 2.34M mobile malware cases, of which only 389 were on iOS.
• App Security Project quoted Nokia Threat Intelligence report that found that Android devices were responsible for 47.15% of observed malware infections (Windows/ PCs for 35.82%, IoT for 16.17% and iPhones for less than 1%), with third-party app stores being a key vector due to lack of security vetting.
• Zimperium found that users who sideload are 80% more likely to have malware on their phones.
• Tom's Guide reported that users of alternate apps stores had up to 19 times higher probability of encountering malware compared to the PlayStore
• Certo Software says sideloaded apps have a 200% higher chance of containing malware
• ENISA has also stated that "Compared to other software distribution models and depending on the review process implemented, the walled-garden approach makes it more difficult for cyber attackers to spread malware" and that "most experts agree that the walled-garden approach could help to reduce the impact of malware."

Out of the box, Apple is safer and more private than Android. That’s a fact. And almost all of that is because of the lack of sideloading and alternate app stores.

 

[Steve Adams]

Anecdotes are not data.

• Here's a 2023 survey paper citing McAfee data report 2.34M mobile malware cases, of which only 389 were on iOS.
• App Security Project quoted Nokia Threat Intelligence report that found that Android devices were responsible for 47.15% of observed malware infections (Windows/ PCs for 35.82%, IoT for 16.17% and iPhones for less than 1%), with third-party app stores being a key vector due to lack of security vetting.
• Zimperium found that users who sideload are 80% more likely to have malware on their phones.
• Tom's Guide reported that users of alternate apps stores had up to 19 times higher probability of encountering malware compared to the PlayStore
• Certo Software says sideloaded apps have a 200% higher chance of containing malware
• ENISA has also stated that "Compared to other software distribution models and depending on the review process implemented, the walled-garden approach makes it more difficult for cyber attackers to spread malware" and that "most experts agree that the walled-garden approach could help to reduce the impact of malware."

Out of the box, Apple is safer and more private than Android. That’s a fact. And almost all of that is because of the lack of sideloading and alternate app stores.

I use my personal experience. not anecdotes, from either side. Yes, apple tries to do a better job with crappy apps in their store, but they are still there. On both sides. Apples walled garden is nothing more then a way to lock consumers into their ecosystem. Nothing to do with privacy and security. Their marketing team will tell you otherwise.

 

[I7guy]

I mean 6 iphones to 1 andriod my friend.

Oh I misread and disagree. My friend who is in the industry says more android malware.

I slam ALL the major players are they are ALL doing the same thing behind the scenes. It used to be the other way around, but now all the phones with issues of icloud hacks etc is startling. Apple is no better than any other company when it comes to security and privacy. They have better marketing teams to make users think they are better.

It’s not about slamming, my friends opinion is Apple is better at security. However no software is immune and as you know it’s a cat and mouse game.

 

[I7guy]

I use my personal experience. not anecdotes, from either side. Yes, apple tries to do a better job with crappy apps in their store, but they are still there. On both sides. Apples walled garden is nothing more than a way to lock consumers into their ecosystem. Nothing to do with privacy and security. Their marketing team will tell you otherwise.

On the same token I can claim Apple critics use the above as justification as to why the iOS App Store is a scam.

 

[Steve Adams]

On the same token I can claim Apple critics use the above as justification as to why the iOS App Store is a scam.

It's all a scam. That's the point. App store, play store, MS store. Anything run by a publicly traded company is a scam to remove money from your wallet. NOTHING ELSE. They don't care about privacy. They don't care about your well being, they care about how wide your wallet will open. It's all smoke and mirrors. The big three prove it every single day.

apple is no better. I work in the industry, not my friend, not my neighbour....ME. I have dealt with more iPhones with hack problems than android and it's roughly 6 to 1. It is what it is. Don't buy apple for privacy or security. Buy it because you like it. Simple.

 

[Steve Adams]

 

[surferfb]

It's all a scam. That's the point. App store, play store, MS store. Anything run by a publicly traded company is a scam to remove money from your wallet. NOTHING ELSE. They don't care about privacy. They don't care about your well being, they care about how wide your wallet will open. It's all smoke and mirrors. The big three prove it every single day.

apple is no better. I work in the industry, not my friend, not my neighbour....ME. I have dealt with more iPhones with hack problems than android and it's roughly 6 to 1. It is what it is. Don't buy apple for privacy or security. Buy it because you like it. Simple.

Of course Apple optimizes for revenue, but that doesn't mean Apple doesn't care about privacy. If profit were the only input, Apple would behave like Google and Meta do, and it doesn't. It fought the FBI over San Bernardino, pulled Advanced Data Protection in the UK rather than build a backdoor, and it's proposing a trusted-agent framework to the EU instead of just opening the pipes for DMA interoperability. If Apple didn't care about privacy, they'd make a lot of money selling user data like Google does.

On the other hand, if privacy is Apple's differentiator, which I think we both would agree at a minimum they market it as a huge differentiator, then their incentives are aligned with protecting it, and aligned incentives are the only thing that reliably produces good behavior from any institution.

 

[Ethrem]

Funny, I work in the telecom industry and the iPhones are slower than most android devices these days. The samsung and Pixels are quicker doing things now.

Absolutely not. The Pixel's SoC is not even equivalent to an iPhone 13. No amount of optimization can cover for that raw performance gap when you do anything other than the basics with it. I'm a power user. My 17 Pro Max demolishes my Pixel.

 

[I7guy]

It's all a scam. That's the point. App store, play store, MS store. Anything run by a publicly traded company is a scam to remove money from your wallet. NOTHING ELSE. They don't care about privacy. They don't care about your well being, they care about how wide your wallet will open. It's all smoke and mirrors. The big three prove it every single day.

apple is no better. I work in the industry, not my friend, not my neighbour....ME. I have dealt with more iPhones with hack problems than android and it's roughly 6 to 1. It is what it is. Don't buy apple for privacy or security. Buy it because you like it. Simple.

Well you’re entitled to your opinion, but it reads like a conspiratorial theory. And I trust my friend who is responsible for research and analyzing industry trends rather than a random internet poster. But YMMV.

 

[Steve Adams]

I trust my own data and experience. YMMV as well and it's all good. If we only had one choice we would all be royally effed. And no conspiracy theory. It's all been proven time and time again that all three major players Google/Apple/MS are only in it for money. That's not up for debate at this point. NONE of them have your best interests at heart. only your wallet.