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My coworker just sold me a new inbox Scosche Rhythm+ Heart armband for $20 less than on Amazon. Apple Watch has a hard time with my heart rate when I'm exercising so I'm looking forward to this. I imagine I'll just turn on Workout Power Saving Mode and somehow pair the Scosche to the phone and the watch will hopefully read from it during the runs? (I'll find out tomorrow).

Pair the Bluetooth HRM to the watch. It won't read anything if paired to the phone.
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No need to turn on the power saving mode. When paired with a bluetooth HR monitor that device automatically takes priority and the wrist monitor is disabled.

I wish there was a way to disable the wrist monitoring while keeping cellular on. It's worthless for me now that the weather is cold, and I'd prefer to save the battery over a bunch of junk data. If I want HR I'll wear my chest strap.

Conversely, when Power Saving Mode is turned on it doesn't interfere with the operation of a bluetooth HRM. Unless you're not explaining your problem very well, I'm not sure why power saving mode for workouts isn't exactly what you want?
 
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Thanks. I don't want it off all the time - it works fine for measuring resting HR. I'd just like the option to turn it off during an activity. Perhaps it doesn't use enough battery to make a difference either way.
So turn it off before your activity, then turn it back on when you’re done.
 
Conversely, when Power Saving Mode is turned on it doesn't interfere with the operation of a bluetooth HRM. Unless you're not explaining your problem very well, I'm not sure why power saving mode for workouts isn't exactly what you want?

When you enable power saving mode for workouts, it disables both cellular and built-in HRM. I want cellular but not HR. It'd be nice if they just separated those options.

So turn it off before your activity, then turn it back on when you’re done.

I suppose. Sounds like a PITA for someone who runs 1-2x per day nearly every day of the week. Ultimately, it's not of much concern. Battery life is fine for most of my workouts.
 
I have used my Scosche heart rate monitor with my Apple Watch today - just got it in the mail. When it is paired to my watch via bluetooth, the watch does not use its heart rate monitors at all but instead relies on the Scosche 100%, especially for workouts.

Because the Apple Watch is getting a constant stream of heart rate data via bluetooth I think it is using more battery than if the watch used its own heart rate monitoring system. It dropped 5% during a 20 min walk using the Schosche heart rate monitor. I'll find out during an hour run today. Using just the watch, I rarely see a 5% drop during a 40 minute run.
 
When you enable power saving mode for workouts, it disables both cellular and built-in HRM. I want cellular but not HR. It'd be nice if they just separated those options.

That's not a documented feature... strange. Can you manually turn cellular back on from control centre while power saving mode is active?
 
That's not a documented feature... strange. Can you manually turn cellular back on from control centre while power saving mode is active?

It's not?

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Apple Watch has no problem reading my heart rate at every time of the day/night except when I'm jogging. It says during the workouts Data Unavailable (not enough heart rate measurements) - and I can see that in the health app data (very spotty). Doesn't bother me - I'm a pretty hairy guy and I sweat like crazy - my fitbit hr couldn't get my heart rate at all - at least Apple Watch does - sporadically while jogging.

Interesting about your note - cold weather and junk data - it is getting really cold here. Just read this : "If you’re exercising in the cold, for example, the skin perfusion in your wrist might be too low for the heart rate sensor to get a reading." - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207941#heartrate

Thanks for the info!

Me too on the hairy and sweating like a whore in church. I use the Scosche with no problems ever and after many comparisons to Garmin HRM Run it is same accuracy.

For the AW HR accuracy I’ve found I can do three things and it is very close to the Scosche:

Shave a patch
Tighten one notch
Wear a sweat band on forearm just above the watch.

When I wear my Garmin F3 I actually wear it over a wrist sweat band. No reason other than zero cleanup required. Do same with my F5 since although it has HR getting HR from the Scosche.

First world problems!
[doublepost=1511966233][/doublepost]Beware also. In watch app on phone the privacy settings allow turning off internal HR sensor. Until about three weeks ago the description on that toggle said that switching this off does not I repeat not affect the use of external heart rate sensors. However I found that it does prevent their use. I called and emailed Apple to complain. And now with the latest update of iOS and the watch app it appears they have taken that statement out.
 
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FWIW it does appear that with Power Save mode on, you can then enable LTE from the control center during the workout. On the other hand I used Power Save mode during my run today because I forgot to charge the watch and only had 20% left and it didn't appear to save any power at all, even with LTE and HR off. Still used up the entire 20% in about an hour, which is pretty much what I get with all sensors on.
 
Has anyone come up with a way to synchronize data between the Apple Watch and a Garmin GPS watch? I'd like either the Activity app or Garmin Connect to store daily activity, including runs with the Garmin and daily steps with the Apple Watch. I've been wearing a Garmin 235 (with activity and sleep tracking) and it's been great being able to see the entire day's activity in one app.

I've tried running with the Apple Watch but it's mediocre for that, at best. But during the rest of the day I prefer it to the Garmin. Thanks for any suggestions.
[doublepost=1523627733][/doublepost]Get Rungap app - its superb for synching accross all devices - strava, runtastic apps & garmin connect etc
 
Has anyone come up with a way to synchronize data between the Apple Watch and a Garmin GPS watch? I'd like either the Activity app or Garmin Connect to store daily activity, including runs with the Garmin and daily steps with the Apple Watch. I've been wearing a Garmin 235 (with activity and sleep tracking) and it's been great being able to see the entire day's activity in one app.

Hi Patrick, I have an Apple Watch and a Garmin 235 and I completely agree, the Apple Watch just isn't there yet. The answer to most of the problem is Rungap (as others have said), but it's a bit more complicated that just installing it, so I'll detail below what I've discovered.

What you want to do should be a very simple task, via Apple Health, but thanks to Garmin's hopeless implementation of Apple Health, syncing just doesn't work. The Apple Watch seems to log things like steps in 1 minute increments, whereas Garmin Connect logs in bulk at completely random times. Even if you set the sync priority in Apple Health correctly, Garmin Connect timestamps some of the data it uploads at midnight, instead of the correct time, resulting in duplicate counting of data. It's just a mess and delays updating of the exercise rings on the Apple Watch. I've reported this to Garmin, but they don't seem to care.

So the solution is as follows (assuming you have Garmin Connect and Rungap installed on your phone.

1. Disable all Garmin Connect syncing to Apple Health (except for Weight, Body Fat index, BMI and sleep analysis) - this will stop exercise data from being corrupted, but still enable weight data from Garmin scales and sleep data from the Garmin to sync into Apple Health

2. Install Rungap and link it to your Garmin Connect account. After a workout you will have to manually share data with Apple Health, unless you subscribe to Rungap.

3. in Apple Health, ensure that Rungap is the first priority for all workout data categories that it writes data to. To do this you will need to go into each of the following categories in Apple Health:
Exercise Minutes, Active Energy, Flights Climbed, Walking + Running Distance, Workouts, Swimming Distance, Cycling Distance

In each category, you need to select "Data Sources and Access", then Edit at the top right, then ensure Rungap is at the top of the Data Sources list

This solves most of the problem, in that all your workout data will start closing the Move and Exercise Rings on your Apple Watch. The downside to this solution is that it will not update the Stand Ring - although I usually manage to close that anyway.

The other downside with this solution is that it won't update the Steps complication on the Apple Watch. To solve that problem I use the HealthFace app as a steps complication, as this is able to display the step count from the Phone, rather than the watch's internal Step Counter which cannot be updated by other apps. This will enable the steps synced from Rungap to display on the Apple Watch.

Obviously this is a far from ideal situation, as it is not a true two-way sync, but it does give me all my runs stored in Garmin Connect which has better metrics and analysis than Apple Health, whilst at the same time ensures my overall fitness data in Apple Health is accurate - and I get to close my rings!

The only other downsides are the manual Rungap sync after each run (because I'm too cheap to subscribe) and neither Rungap nor Garmin Connect seem to sync Vo2max from Garmin Connect.

None of this would be a problem if Garmin would simply fix Garmin Connect's Apple Health syncing, but they have known about this issue for ages and seem to have zero interest in fixing it. I've now given up on them and am really hoping for somebody to come out with a decent fitness app for the Apple Watch and maybe a Wahoo Reflekt for my bike, so I can eventually ditch Garmin altogether.

Happy training!
 
Thanks for the suggestions!

It was a pretty old thread (which I nearly forgot about). In the meantime, I've switched over to using my Apple Watch exclusively and will likely race with it for the first time next weekend. I've been struggling with a knee injury so I'm not as focused on pacing as I usually am (which for me has been the AW's weakest aspect).

Especially now with the LTE version and my music stored on the watch the benefits to running with just the AW outweigh the negatives for me at this point. I'm still using RunGap to push my runs to Garmin in case I ever go back, but for now I've been content to stick with the AW for everything.
 
Hi Patrick, I have an Apple Watch and a Garmin 235 and I completely agree, the Apple Watch just isn't there yet. The answer to most of the problem is Rungap (as others have said), but it's a bit more complicated that just installing it, so I'll detail below what I've discovered.

Thanks for the detailed guide, however. I've connected my Garmin app to Strava so that it automatically pushes my runs/rides to Strava, and I've the Strava app installed on my phone. Should I let Strava write data to Apple Health app or should that be done through Rungap app?

Also, will the method you described export the steps taken while wearing the Apple Watch to Garmin?
 
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Thanks for the detailed guide, however. I've connected my Garmin app to Strava so that it automatically pushes my runs/rides to Strava, and I've the Strava app installed on my phone. Should I let Strava write data to Apple Health app or should that be done through Rungap app?

Also, will the method you described export the steps taken while wearing the Apple Watch to Garmin?
[doublepost=1525152788][/doublepost]Good question. In my experience, syncing via multiple apps can be a bit unreliable. You kind of need to decide what you are going to use as the main repository of information and then try to get everything to sync into there. The method I proposed above will sync most of the data from your Garmin into Apple Health and therefore your Apple Watch. Having said that some things still don't make it - e.g. RunGap doesn't sync VO2Max.

Regarding your first question - Should I let Strava write data to Apple Health app or should that be done through Rungap app?

Strava will only sync the following data into Apple Health:
  • Active Energy
  • Cycling Distance
  • Walking+Running Distance
  • Workouts
whereas RunGap will sync all of those as well as:
  • Flights Climbed
  • Heart Rate
  • Steps
  • Workout Routes
  • Swimming Distance
  • Swimming Strokes
So I would recommend disabling Strava writing to Apple Health, because it won't bring over steps and heart rate. My preferred approach would be to also disable Garmin writing to Strava and just use Rungap to sync between Garmin Connect, Apple Health and Strava - this way you have a single authoritative source of most of the data you need in RunGap. I should say that I have no particular affiliation with RunGap, but it seems to be the only app that can reliably sync the widest range of data to a plethora of services.

Regarding your second question: "Will the method you described export the steps taken while wearing the Apple Watch to Garmin?"

The short answer is no. RunGap will only sync steps that happen during workouts and even then, it doesn't seem to write steps back into Garmin Connect from Apple Health workouts. I don't know of any way way to get Apple Watch steps back into Garmin Connect. My preferred approach is to use Garmin Connect for tracking workouts (runs and rides) and then use Apple Health for tracking overall health - steps, workout rings and sleep.

Good luck with it all!

EDIT:
I just noticed that RunGap requires the subscription service to share data back to Garmin Connect, but I stand by my above comment that it will only share steps from specific workouts rather than a day of step data from Apple Health, so I believe I'm still correct in saying that there is no way to get general step counts from Apple Health back into Garmin Connect.
 
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