"System" taking up 285 GB of space

Discussion in 'macOS High Sierra (10.13)' started by KisstheCreator, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. KisstheCreator macrumors newbie

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    Hello! I am running High Sierra 10.13.4 Beta (17E150g). After updating I discovered i wasn't able to load a Photoshop update. I started trouble shooting Creative Cloud and long story short I removed all Adobe/Creative cloud App/folder and ran the Adobe Cleaner tool to start fresh. When I went download photoshop again I received the same "fatal error" that happened when trying to download the update. I decided that possibly this was actual a problem with my system and not Adobe. After some investigating I discovered that my "system" is taking up an unusual amount of space! I'm not sure how to proceed from here as I've deleted/cleared catches and nothing seems to make an impact?
     

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  3. KisstheCreator thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Shaka, when the walls fell
     
  5. KisstheCreator thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Yes multiple times!
     
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    Yes. Although I don't have it running continuously over wifi. I connect manually via ethernet cable (directly into my MacBook) about twice a month. I did read about the snapshots taking up space, but I can't seem to find where the are stored on my computer to erase. I did open terminal and ran this command: sudo tmutil disablelocal Which I was told would stop automatic snap shots and purge old snap shots....but can't say whether that happened or not.
     
  8. Weaselboy Moderator

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    That no longer works in HS.

    Run this command in Terminal to nuke the local snapshots.

    Code:
    tmutil  listlocalsnapshotdates / |grep 20|while read f; do tmutil deletelocalsnapshots $f; done
     
  9. SBruv macrumors 6502

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    Is really there still no way to turn this f**ing nonsense off? I have to run this command at least once a day on my MacBook Pro, as its 50GB of free space constantly drops through Time Machine snapshotting. Why aren't Apple fixing this?!
     
  10. Weaselboy Moderator

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    No way to turn it off that I have found. You should be able to just ignore it though, and the files will just delete on their own as the disk gets closer to full.
     
  11. KisstheCreator thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thank you so much that did the trick! Back down to 27 GB! And I was able to load my adobe suite back on! I so appreciate you taking the time to answer! So can I still use time machine? Or will i have this problem every time I back-up? It does seem ridiculous Apple hasn't resolved this issue yet...
     
  12. Weaselboy Moderator

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    I would leave TM on. The way this is supposed to work is those files get purged on their own as the disk starts to get closer to full. Yours probably just piled up because you deleted a bunch of files recently I'm guessing.
     
  13. Ideanj macrumors member

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    I noticed that if I cancel a time machine backup after it finishes “preparing”, that it takes up a massive amount of storage on my hard drive until I go back and complete the back up. Once the back up conpletes the storage goes back to normal. I suppose this could have happened?
     
  14. SBruv macrumors 6502

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    Nope, eventually it gets to less than 20GB free space and starts giving me warnings, and just keeps filling up from there. I let it get to 4GB the other day before purging it. It’s ********, is what it is.
     
  15. yamahamusicians macrumors newbie

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    None of these solutions work on my mid 2010 iMac 27. Running High Sierra 10.13.3 and main drive is 250Gb SSD.

    System files shows as 152.76Gb! I don't use Time Machine so it isn't any hidden snapshots.

    Screen Shot 2018-02-24 at 14.31.58.png

    Have used 'Clean My Mac 3' and that gets rid of the normal stuff but can't figure out where all this 'System' storage is. As you can imagine with a relatively small startup drive I really can't afford to lose over 150Gb to system files.

    So just to reiterate. For me this is not a TM issue.
     
  16. Weaselboy Moderator

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    Run this command in Terminal and give it a couple minutes to complete, then show us the results. It will show the space used by all the base folders, including any hidden and system files.

    Code:
    sudo du -d 1 -x -c -g /
     
  17. yamahamusicians, Feb 24, 2018
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    Thanks for that. Ok have run that command and it shows the following:

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    0 /.HFS+ Private Directory Data
    
    1 /home
    
    1 /usr
    
    3 /.Spotlight-V100
    
    1 /net
    
    1 /.PKInstallSandboxManager-SystemSoftware
    
    1 /bin
    
    0 /Network
    
    1 /sbin
    
    32 /Library
    
    6 /System
    
    1 /.fseventsd
    
    du: /private/var/db/ConfigurationProfiles/Store: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/kj/31fvtnc93cb2vvfvk7307kvc0000gq/0/com.apple.LaunchServices.dv: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/kj/31fvtnc93cb2vvfvk7307kvc0000gq/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/kj/31fvtnc93cb2vvfvk7307kvc0000gq/0/com.apple.routined: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/gf/1h_mk1jd3sb2d_bz5pqq50200000gn/0/SafariFamily: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/gf/1h_mk1jd3sb2d_bz5pqq50200000gn/0/com.apple.LaunchServices.dv: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/gf/1h_mk1jd3sb2d_bz5pqq50200000gn/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/gf/1h_mk1jd3sb2d_bz5pqq50200000gn/0/com.apple.routined: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/yz/8lb4kg_96j5bg1shy09lvhcc0000gp/0/com.apple.LaunchServices.dv: Operation not permitted
    
    du: /private/var/folders/zz/zyxvpxvq6csfxvn_n00000y800007k/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    
    4 /private
    
    1 /.DocumentRevisions-V100
    
    0 /.vol
    
    81 /Users
    
    76 /Applications
    
    1 /dev
    
    1 /Volumes
    
    0 /cores
    
    200 /
    
    200 total

    Does that tell us anything?
     
  18. Weaselboy Moderator

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    32GB in the Library folder is unusual (mine is about 8GB)

    Run this to drill down a little there to see what is up.

    Code:
    sudo mdutil -E /Library
    Does 81GB sound right for your personal files in the Users folder?

    76GB for apps sounds way high. Have you installed something other than apps in that folder?
     
  19. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    SBruv complained:
    "Is really there still no way to turn this f**ing nonsense off?"

    Yes, of course there is "a way to turn it off".

    STOP using Time Machine.
    Delete all "local snapshots"

    And then... use a backup utility that makes sense, such as CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper.
    Both are free to download and try for 30 days.

    So... give one or the other (or both) a run-through.
    Then get back to us with your impressions.
     
  20. yamahamusicians macrumors newbie

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    Ok tried the sudo mdutil -E /Library and that gave this.

    /Library:

    Error: unknown indexing state.

    As for the apps folder the largest thing I have in there is MAMP but that takes 18GB.

    81GB for personal files in the Users folder doesn't sound right to me. Will do some more digging.
     
  21. anyhowsaysay, Feb 24, 2018
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    Hi Weaselboy

    I am also facing the problem of disappearing hard disk space. Most of it are used up by system

    [​IMG]

    I am trying to run the steps that you mentioned

    sudo du -d 1 -x -c -g /
    Code:
    0    /.HFS+ Private Directory Data
    1    /home
    1    /usr
    1    /.abackblaze
    1    /.bzvol
    1    /.Spotlight-V100
    1    /net
    0    /.PKInstallSandboxManager
    0    /.PKInstallSandboxManager-SystemSoftware
    1    /bin
    0    /Network
    1    /sbin
    4    /Library
    0    /.Trashes
    12    /System
    1    /.fseventsd
    du: /private/var/db/ConfigurationProfiles/Store: Operation not permitted
    du: /private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/SafariFamily: Operation not permitted
    du: /private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.LaunchServices.dv: Operation not permitted
    du: /private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    du: /private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.routined: Operation not permitted
    du: /private/var/folders/zz/zyxvpxvq6csfxvn_n00000y800007k/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    3    /private
    1    /.DocumentRevisions-V100
    0    /.vol
    131    /Users
    23    /Applications
    1    /dev
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/db/ConfigurationProfiles/Store: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/SafariFamily: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.LaunchServices.dv: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.routined: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/zz/zyxvpxvq6csfxvn_n00000y800007k/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    136    /Volumes
    0    /cores
    308    /
    308    total

    It seems that the Volumes is taking up a lot of my existing spaces.

    I then tried to run sudo du -d 1 -x -c -g /Volumes
    Code:
    1    /Volumes/Preboot
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/db/ConfigurationProfiles/Store: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/SafariFamily: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.LaunchServices.dv: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/q9/0bk6b0wj3f5b280jnfmdh2kr0000gn/0/com.apple.routined: Operation not permitted
    du: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb/Liwei’s iMac/2018-02-24-163800/Macintosh HD/private/var/folders/zz/zyxvpxvq6csfxvn_n00000y800007k/0/com.apple.nsurlsessiond: Operation not permitted
    136    /Volumes/Time Machine Backups
    136    /Volumes
    136    total
    
    It seems that the Time Machine Backups is taking up a lot of Space. I already disabled Time Machine. Any idea how i can go about to delete that Time Machine Backups volume? I can't see it in my Finder
     
  22. Weaselboy Moderator

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    It looks like that Time Machine Backups is an external drive... is that not the case?
     
  23. anyhowsaysay macrumors newbie

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    The Actual time machine is in the NAS but somehow it is also occupying my internal hard disk

    [​IMG]

    I managed to find the actual folder after showing hidden folder. But then i can't completely delete that folder, Seems like something is using that folder at this moment.

    [​IMG]
     
  24. Weaselboy Moderator

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    If the TM backup on the NAS is inside a sparse bundle called "Time Machine Backups", then it would be normal to see what you are seeing there under volumes. Any mounted external drives would show there under volumes.
     
  25. smittywit macrumors newbie

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    Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 12.00.20 PM.png

    Okay. I have a MAJOR issue here. I don't use Time Machine, nor do I even know how to open up Terminal or what that is. Can someone please explain to me in steps how to solve this problem??
     

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