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While I’m fairly happy with my Verizon-based MVNO, I saw enough T-Mobile ads during football today to make me curious, and many customers on here rave about them, so I struck up a chat with a T-Mo CSR today. No less than 3 times, I made it clear what my needs were:
  • Only need 2 lines.
  • A good deal: was previously paying VZW $100/mo. & currently paying RedPocket $55/mo.
  • Don’t need unlimited data; only use a few GB a month.
What did the CSR come back with? A 3-line unlimited plan for $140/mo. WTF? lol

I thanked the CSR for his time and left the conversation. If that’s the best they’ve got—either in regards to plans or customer service—no thanks.
 
What were your expectations? I haven't seen the ad.
Folks have always touted how much cheaper Legere & Co. are than Big Red & Ma Bell, so I expected that.

Also, as I already mentioned, folks have always bragged on their customer service, so I at least expected the CSR to consider my 3 only needs before trying to sell me on a plan that will cost me 3x what I currently pay.
 
While I’m fairly happy with my Verizon-based MVNO, I saw enough T-Mobile ads during football today to make me curious, and many customers on here rave about them, so I struck up a chat with a T-Mo CSR today. No less than 3 times, I made it clear what my needs were:
  • Only need 2 lines.
  • A good deal: was previously paying VZW $100/mo. & currently paying RedPocket $55/mo.
  • Don’t need unlimited data; only use a few GB a month.
What did the CSR come back with? A 3-line unlimited plan for $140/mo. WTF? lol

I thanked the CSR for his time and left the conversation. If that’s the best they’ve got—either in regards to plans or customer service—no thanks.
Carriers prefer customers to pay more than they need, regardless of what you tell them. Thus the push for the “unlimited” plans.
If you only need a few GBs per month, better stick with the MVNOs/prepaid options, or try alternative carriers like ting. Do note that once you reach certain usage, they’re no longer any cheaper than the regular plans of the main carriers.
 
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Been with them twenty years and only had a few mix-ups over that time.

My recent issue
My phone 11 somehow got enrolled in T-Mobiles insurance plan when I didn’t ask for it. CSR explained that my line was affected due to a massive influx of iPhone 11 sales on launch day. The computer somehow made a mistake...

My take: Some joker made a bit of cash by clicking a button, who the heck knows.

Still, they fixed the problem and credited our account.
 
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Carriers prefer customers to pay more than they need, regardless of what you tell them. Thus the push for the “unlimited” plans.
If you only need a few GBs per month, better stick with the MVNOs/prepaid options, or try alternative carriers like ting. Do note that once you reach certain usage, they’re no longer any cheaper than the regular plans of the main carriers.
For sure, and I went in with an open mind. I hadn’t priced TMO in a bit and was curious—not so much any more.
 
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Also, as I already mentioned, folks have always bragged on their customer service, so I at least expected the CSR to consider my 3 only needs before trying to sell me on a plan that will cost me 3x what I currently pay.

I tend to have low expectations when speaking to chat of any business because the reps are typically handling 3-4 conversations at a time. No attention to detail.

I don't think you'll find a better deal in today's market compared to what you currently have.
 
For sure, and I went in with an open mind. I hadn’t priced TMO in a bit and was curious—not so much any more.

Tmo was dirt cheap when I jumped ship on ATT. Had Blackberry service for almost $70 less a month with more call time

Today, it seems like the big boys are all tit for tat. Both the good and the bad.
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While I’m fairly happy with my Verizon-based MVNO, I saw enough T-Mobile ads during football today to make me curious, and many customers on here rave about them, so I struck up a chat with a T-Mo CSR today. No less than 3 times, I made it clear what my needs were:
  • Only need 2 lines.
  • A good deal: was previously paying VZW $100/mo. & currently paying RedPocket $55/mo.
  • Don’t need unlimited data; only use a few GB a month.
What did the CSR come back with? A 3-line unlimited plan for $140/mo. WTF? lol

I thanked the CSR for his time and left the conversation. If that’s the best they’ve got—either in regards to plans or customer service—no thanks.

Wow, not a bad deal. A good friend of mine is paying around $70 and has unlimited voice and data on T-Mobile. No ****. Think second lines are only $10 additional per month. Just depends on your plan.
 
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While I’m fairly happy with my Verizon-based MVNO, I saw enough T-Mobile ads during football today to make me curious, and many customers on here rave about them, so I struck up a chat with a T-Mo CSR today. No less than 3 times, I made it clear what my needs were:
  • Only need 2 lines.
  • A good deal: was previously paying VZW $100/mo. & currently paying RedPocket $55/mo.
  • Don’t need unlimited data; only use a few GB a month.
What did the CSR come back with? A 3-line unlimited plan for $140/mo. WTF? lol

I thanked the CSR for his time and left the conversation. If that’s the best they’ve got—either in regards to plans or customer service—no thanks.
CSR from their website?

Unfortunately, customer service seems to be going the way of Sprint or so it seems lately. That said, I'd suggest one last shot with a different support group.

T-Force is T-Mobile's group on Facebook and Twitter. They are empowered to do things that normal reps can't. I go straight to them when I need help rather than trying to deal with frontline support. Frontline support anymore is designed to solve the company's problem (you calling them with a problem) by getting you off the phone in the fastest way possible. If they solve your problem while doing that then you both win. Otherwise, you aren't bothering them so they win.

Anyway, T-Force: https://twitter.com/tmobilehelp?lang=en

DM them and see what they can do for you. T-Force has managed to get me a free line a month or so after the promo expired and this week when my account was suspended for non-payment T-Force waived $180 in reconnection fees.

If T-Force is actually who you chatted with then I'm at a loss as to what to say.
 
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CSR from their website?

Unfortunately, customer service seems to be going the way of Sprint or so it seems lately. That said, I'd suggest one last shot with a different support group.

T-Force is T-Mobile's group on Facebook and Twitter. They are empowered to do things that normal reps can't. I go straight to them when I need help rather than trying to deal with frontline support. Frontline support anymore is designed to solve the company's problem (you calling them with a problem) by getting you off the phone in the fastest way possible. If they solve your problem while doing that then you both win. Otherwise, you aren't bothering them so they win.

Anyway, T-Force: https://twitter.com/tmobilehelp?lang=en

DM them and see what they can do for you. T-Force has managed to get me a free line a month or so after the promo expired and this week when my account was suspended for non-payment T-Force waived $180 in reconnection fees.

If T-Force is actually who you chatted with then I'm at a loss as to what to say.
Dunno whom exactly I chatted with. Just sales chat bubble on their plans page.

Will follow your advice though. Thanks for the experience and know-how.
 
I’m generally happy with T-Mobile so long as I never have to contact them.

That’s good for many companies though
 
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out of all the carriers i had tmobile was the most incompetent. i switched back to verizon as soon as they had a bogo deal.

during my time with tmobile they have,
lost 3 iphones i traded in and blamed me for it, even though i shipped it with their prepaid label and bag.
added 3 lines when i only requested 1.
constantly calling in for billing mistakes because they promise one thing and never delivers.
they outsource CSR to asian countries depending on the time of day. and alot of them i cannot understand their accents, and often times the CSR sounds like someone working behind a bar with trucks driving by.

at least with verizon, they tell you one thing and they actually do it.

forgot worst of all, they had so many dead spots in nyc, i often get dropped calls as soon as i step into an elevator, or enter a garage, or any basement like scenario.
 
I have two lines on the T-Mobile 55+ plan so you have to be 55 and over to have it. It costs $70 per month with auto pay. With a phone added on, my bill is about $123 per month.

T-Mobile is great at my home and only T-Mobile can get me service there so I continue to use them for that purpose. As far as reliability everywhere else, I use have Xfinity Mobile for that. Because they use Verizon, the service and coverage is so far superior to T-Mobile. I have the by the GB plan on Xfinity so I use just under 2GB per month and with a phone added on, my bill is about $63 per month. I get no throttling on Xfinity and my speeds average around 63Mbps to over 211, that's identical to what I had on Verizon.

I've had T-Mobile since they started supporting the iPhone which was the 3GS so that was around 2011 or so. I've watched as the service went from slow to blazingly fast and now back to slow again due to congestion. They've clearly oversold the network and the current network can't handle all the users. My speeds crawl to 1.5Mbps at 5PM and at 3AM, they go up to 160-200Mbps when no one uses the service.

Again, I only keep T-Mobile around because Verizon and AT&T can't get me service at my house without having to use WiFi calling.
 
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out of all the carriers i had tmobile was the most incompetent. i switched back to verizon as soon as they had a bogo deal.

during my time with tmobile they have,
lost 3 iphones i traded in and blamed me for it, even though i shipped it with their prepaid label and bag.
added 3 lines when i only requested 1.
constantly calling in for billing mistakes because they promise one thing and never delivers.
they outsource CSR to asian countries depending on the time of day. and alot of them i cannot understand their accents, and often times the CSR sounds like someone working behind a bar with trucks driving by.

at least with verizon, they tell you one thing and they actually do it.

forgot worst of all, they had so many dead spots in nyc, i often get dropped calls as soon as i step into an elevator, or enter a garage, or any basement like scenario.
Although I didn't have these things happen to me, you seem to be describing Sprint, a carrier I did 16 years with.

Sprint did once treat a payment of mine as a short-term employee loan. At least the employee who accepted my payment did. I had to have Sprint extend my due date for a week until the schmuck employee actually put the money back into the system. The next time I showed up at that shop he conveniently disappeared when he saw me. Shortly after that, that location went under.

Sprint launched LTE in late 2011. I didn't see LTE on my phone until 2014, two years after I bought my first LTE-capable iPhone (the iPhone 5). Even then it was sub-1mbps for a year with text messages that ended up getting sent twice.

They are still up to their old antics too. It's gotten worse since I left in 2015. FED (finance) locking paid in full BYOD phones, not unlocking Sprint phones that have been paid off, not cancelling service when requested, outright lying, hanging up on the customer, etc. Sprint outsourced to the Phillipines a very long time ago.
 
I really don't have much to complain about with Tmobile. I was paying $220 for 4 lines with unlimited data with AT&T. Now I'm paying $160. I haven't had to call customer service so that's a good thing. Been with Tmobile for almost two years now and I'm pretty happy with them.
 
Your comparing T-Mobile with an MVNO though. So it is going to be more money regardless as MVNO's already cost less than what their parent company's offer.
 
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T-mobile is great if you wait for a deal but still probably can't compare to an MVNO. I have the two unlimited lines for $80 deal from a few years back and have been happy.
 
It’s much cheaper on T-Mobile if you have a large family plan. Currently, I have 9 individuals on my fam bam plan which equals to $30 per line at $270 + EIP + plan upgrades per line = $350. It’s definitely worth it and coverage has been great in the area.
 
While I’m fairly happy with my Verizon-based MVNO, I saw enough T-Mobile ads during football today to make me curious, and many customers on here rave about them, so I struck up a chat with a T-Mo CSR today. No less than 3 times, I made it clear what my needs were:
  • Only need 2 lines.
  • A good deal: was previously paying VZW $100/mo. & currently paying RedPocket $55/mo.
  • Don’t need unlimited data; only use a few GB a month.
What did the CSR come back with? A 3-line unlimited plan for $140/mo. WTF? lol

I thanked the CSR for his time and left the conversation. If that’s the best they’ve got—either in regards to plans or customer service—no thanks.
One rep failed. That doesn’t mean T-Mobile failed. It also doesn’t mean another CSR can’t do a good job for you.
 
Although I didn't have these things happen to me, you seem to be describing Sprint, a carrier I did 16 years with.

Sprint did once treat a payment of mine as a short-term employee loan. At least the employee who accepted my payment did. I had to have Sprint extend my due date for a week until the schmuck employee actually put the money back into the system. The next time I showed up at that shop he conveniently disappeared when he saw me. Shortly after that, that location went under.

Sprint launched LTE in late 2011. I didn't see LTE on my phone until 2014, two years after I bought my first LTE-capable iPhone (the iPhone 5). Even then it was sub-1mbps for a year with text messages that ended up getting sent twice.

They are still up to their old antics too. It's gotten worse since I left in 2015. FED (finance) locking paid in full BYOD phones, not unlocking Sprint phones that have been paid off, not cancelling service when requested, outright lying, hanging up on the customer, etc. Sprint outsourced to the Phillipines a very long time ago.
I have heard similar stories about sprint, how they drag in new users with crazy deal like free iPhone and free line for a year. Then proceed to stiff them on the offer.
T-Mobile have very attractive pricing but I just can’t deal with their incompetence. Their csr are often misinformed or just not knowledgeable.
 
One rep failed. That doesn’t mean T-Mobile failed. It also doesn’t mean another CSR can’t do a good job for you.
While I understand your sentiment and don’t totally disagree with it. The job of a CSR is to represent a company—to speak and act on its behalf; their title even includes the word representative. The company literally pays CSR’s to speak on their behalf, so to an extent, at least, you’re incorrect; T-Mobile did, in fact, fail.

Now, it‘s certainly true that I’ve only interacted with this 1 individual until now, and another CSR could lead to a better experience, but they had 1 job, and they blew it.
 
While I understand your sentiment and don’t totally disagree with it. The job of a CSR is to represent a company—to speak and act on its behalf; their title even includes the word representative. The company literally pays CSR’s to speak on their behalf, so to an extent, at least, you’re incorrect; T-Mobile did, in fact, fail.

Now, it‘s certainly true that I’ve only interacted with this 1 individual until now, and another CSR could lead to a better experience, but they had 1 job, and they blew it.
I would argue that this is literally not true anymore, just that people want to cling to that myth because the alternative is offensive.

Frontline CSR support (for almost any company) is paid to solve the company's problems, not yours. What is the company's problem? Customers who have problems and call in.

It costs a company both time and money to deal with your problem. So the people dealing with your problem are paid to 'resolve' it as quickly as possible. Any resolution that means the company no longer has to hear from you or speak to you or deal with you is success. Whether that actually does solve YOUR problem or not is irrelevant.

Now, we add in overseas support. The company saves even more money because these people can be paid less. There is high turnover, but there will always be someone to answer the phone because these jobs still pay more in the local market. The fact that overseas support is hard to understand, don't speak your language, etc leads to problem resolution to the company. If they hang up on you or you hang up on them - problem solved.

Finally, add in sales metrics. All of these people have to meet certain sales goals and those numbers are directly relevant to whether they keep their job or not. Remember, someone else is already gunning for their job. So, lies, fabrications, dirty dealing, all is fair. If they don't sign you up because you get mad at their tactics someone else will come along.

None of this is good, none of it's right and none of it shows any company in a good light. But when it comes to profit for the shareholders the customer is not who the company cares about. Companies can afford to lose a few customers or deal with a few pissed off ones. It's only when it becomes a full-blown crisis that it's dealt with and then only to the extent that it blows over.

If you don't agree with me, I will just point out Comcast. Big company, lots of pissed off customers because their customer service is anti-customer. Still in business.

It'd be nice to see it the way you point out, but that outlook changed a long time ago - especially in wireless.
 
Although I didn't have these things happen to me, you seem to be describing Sprint, a carrier I did 16 years with.

Sprint did once treat a payment of mine as a short-term employee loan. At least the employee who accepted my payment did. I had to have Sprint extend my due date for a week until the schmuck employee actually put the money back into the system. The next time I showed up at that shop he conveniently disappeared when he saw me. Shortly after that, that location went under.

Sprint launched LTE in late 2011. I didn't see LTE on my phone until 2014, two years after I bought my first LTE-capable iPhone (the iPhone 5). Even then it was sub-1mbps for a year with text messages that ended up getting sent twice.

They are still up to their old antics too. It's gotten worse since I left in 2015. FED (finance) locking paid in full BYOD phones, not unlocking Sprint phones that have been paid off, not cancelling service when requested, outright lying, hanging up on the customer, etc. Sprint outsourced to the Phillipines a very long time ago.

I've been with Sprint 12 1/2 yrs. I'm on WiFi nearly everywhere I go, but on those rare occasions I do have to rely on their LTE, I've found it acceptable.

The reason I don't really take a strong stance against them is because I've been on a grandfathered ("Everything Data 450" I think) plan w/an employee discount for years.

Given all the above though, I'm kind of hoping that the T-Mobile buyout goes through. I'll probably be forced to pay more, but hopefully the CS will be a grade or two better.
 
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I've been with Sprint 12 1/2 yrs. I'm on WiFi nearly everywhere I go, but on those rare occasions I do have to rely on their LTE, I've found it acceptable.

The reason I don't really take a strong stance against them is because I've been on a grandfathered ("Everything Data 450" I think) plan w/an employee discount for years.

Given all the above though, I'm kind of hoping that the T-Mobile buyout goes through. I'll probably be forced to pay more, but hopefully the CS will be a grade or two better.
Yeah, that was always my thing with Sprint. I was paying them 'X' dollars a month for service and was mostly on WiFi. Either my own at home or my bosses WiFi at work. In between I had to force 3G to get any kind of decent service. So essentially I was paying Sprint but not using the service. Aggravating.

Unfortunately, from what I am hearing, T-Mobile lately seems to be going the way of Sprint with their customer service. It doesn't affect me because Sprint long ago taught me to trust but verify. Seek out the people who actually have the authority to resolve your problem and not the gatekeepers who are there solely to protect the profit margin of the company.

I mention them above, so if the merger does go through, deal with T-Force directly. Don't bother calling. In store customer service is still decent but be aware that T-Mob charges you $20 if you utilize in-store customer service that results in a transaction.

PS. We had ED1500 from Christmas 2008 to February 2015 so I know the plan you speak of. One of the few remaining Cadillac plans on Sprint other than SERO and Fair and Flexible.
 
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I would argue that this is literally not true anymore, just that people want to cling to that myth because the alternative is offensive.

Frontline CSR support (for almost any company) is paid to solve the company's problems, not yours. What is the company's problem? Customers who have problems and call in.

It costs a company both time and money to deal with your problem. So the people dealing with your problem are paid to 'resolve' it as quickly as possible. Any resolution that means the company no longer has to hear from you or speak to you or deal with you is success. Whether that actually does solve YOUR problem or not is irrelevant.

Now, we add in overseas support. The company saves even more money because these people can be paid less. There is high turnover, but there will always be someone to answer the phone because these jobs still pay more in the local market. The fact that overseas support is hard to understand, don't speak your language, etc leads to problem resolution to the company. If they hang up on you or you hang up on them - problem solved.

Finally, add in sales metrics. All of these people have to meet certain sales goals and those numbers are directly relevant to whether they keep their job or not. Remember, someone else is already gunning for their job. So, lies, fabrications, dirty dealing, all is fair. If they don't sign you up because you get mad at their tactics someone else will come along.

None of this is good, none of it's right and none of it shows any company in a good light. But when it comes to profit for the shareholders the customer is not who the company cares about. Companies can afford to lose a few customers or deal with a few pissed off ones. It's only when it becomes a full-blown crisis that it's dealt with and then only to the extent that it blows over.

If you don't agree with me, I will just point out Comcast. Big company, lots of pissed off customers because their customer service is anti-customer. Still in business.

It'd be nice to see it the way you point out, but that outlook changed a long time ago - especially in wireless.
Again, I appreciate the sentiment and understand the pragmatics, but I refuse to let a company off the hook and say a customer service representative doesn’t represent the company they’re working for. They simply do.
 
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