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Wow, talk about making one huge sweeping generalization to support your notion that VZW users "overpay". Of course they overpay if you believe:

1. all VZW customers don't use data or are very low data users
2. are located next to tmobile towers
3. never leave their dwelling.

You might value paying Verizon whatever you pay because you see having coverage more valuable. I for one do not feel that way. For me, it would be overpaying. I don't know what made you think I was generalizing that everyone on Verizon was overpaying. I was simply stating that majority of people will not travel all across the US to use that "coverage". Most of the time people will be in large enough cities to have great T-Mobile coverage.

You are happy paying what you pay for Verizon service. I am happy paying what I pay for T-Mobile service. You voice your opinion on what you feel T-Mobile is worth, I offer my opinion on what Verizon is worth.
 
You might value paying Verizon whatever you pay because you see having coverage more valuable. I for one do not feel that way. For me, it would be overpaying. I don't know what made you think I was generalizing that everyone on Verizon was overpaying. I was simply stating that majority of people will not travel all across the US to use that "coverage". Most of the time people will be in large enough cities to have great T-Mobile coverage.

You are happy paying what you pay for Verizon service. I am happy paying what I pay for T-Mobile service. You voice your opinion on what you feel T-Mobile is worth, I offer my opinion on what Verizon is worth.

"Majority of the people, probably don't travel much from where they live. So having "more" land covered isn't a big issue."

How could you surmise such a "fact"?
 
"Majority of the people, probably don't travel much from where they live. So having "more" land covered isn't a big issue."

How could you surmise such a "fact"?

How does that comment state you are over paying? :confused::confused::confused:

Let me change that for you so that you can feel better.
"Majority of the people that I know, probably don't travel much from where they live...." Is that better for you?
 
How does that comment state you are over paying? :confused::confused::confused:

Let me change that for you so that you can feel better.
"Majority of the people that I know, probably don't travel much from where they live...." Is that better for you?

Heck yes. That changes the context of your statement drastically. Makes it from a sweeping generalization to a statement based on your sphere of influence. In my case, I would have to say: "a majority of people DO travel far from where they live"
 
You might value paying Verizon whatever you pay because you see having coverage more valuable. I for one do not feel that way. For me, it would be overpaying. I don't know what made you think I was generalizing that everyone on Verizon was overpaying. I was simply stating that majority of people will not travel all across the US to use that "coverage". Most of the time people will be in large enough cities to have great T-Mobile coverage.

You are happy paying what you pay for Verizon service. I am happy paying what I pay for T-Mobile service. You voice your opinion on what you feel T-Mobile is worth, I offer my opinion on what Verizon is worth.
Much like real estate, I think which service to get boils down to location, location, location. I work in Los Angeles near downtown but in our office building, I'd have to go out into the parking in order to get signal with Sprint and T-Mobile. No such issues with AT&T or Verizon. Personally, having signal where I need it is more useful to me than saving money on cellphone service that I practically don't use because there's no coverage.
 
Much like real estate, I think which service to get boils down to location, location, location. I work in Los Angeles near downtown but in our office building, I'd have to go out into the parking in order to get signal with Sprint and T-Mobile. No such issues with AT&T or Verizon. Personally, having signal where I need it is more useful to me than saving money on cellphone service that I practically don't use because there's no coverage.

I have no doubt about that. With having lower band spectrum, AT&T/Verizon should penetrate buildings better. So everyone should choose carriers that serve their purposes. What I am saying is that all these people come on these boards and say "have fun with EDGE" or that they have no coverage and sorts. While parts of that is true, it's not the case of everyone.

Like you said... location, location, location.
 
People who value coverage over cost will most likely choose Verizon. Those valuing cost over coverage will go to T-Mobile.

The interesting part is where does AT&T and Sprint fit in? AT&T is similar to Verizon in cost but Verizon has much better coverage while Sprint is similar in T-Mobile in cost but is a little more expensive with similar coverage.
 
People who value coverage over cost will most likely choose Verizon. Those valuing cost over coverage will go to T-Mobile.

The interesting part is where does AT&T and Sprint fit in? AT&T is similar to Verizon in cost but Verizon has much better coverage while Sprint is similar in T-Mobile in cost but is a little more expensive with similar coverage.
Actually, with the new Mobile Share Value plans, I'd put AT&T as similar in coverage to Verizon while being slightly more expensive than T-Mobile.

Sprint can roam on Verizon, I believe.
 
That wasn't my point. Yes land coverage might not be good but having covered that many POPs means competition for those people living in those cities to choose between 4 carriers. Competition is good for the consumer as you are seeing changes with all of the carriers giving more data for less money compared to before.

POPs is a nice way for T-Mobile to inflate their coverage numbers significantly. Land area coverage is what really matters, not POPs or towers. Towers are interesting in terms of their network build-out strategies, where Verizon has the fewest towers, and thus larger tower spacing, which has caused them capacity and localized coverage problems, but that has little to do with the big picture.

I do travel but it is limited to cities as I am not much of a "country" person. And when I do travel for business purposes, my clients are all located in cities. Those places are well covered by T-Mobile.

Majority of the people, probably don't travel much from where they live. So having "more" land covered isn't a big issue. You can stay with your AT&T/Verizon's and pay what you pay for the feeling of being "covered" all over the US. For those of us who don't travel by car every time we go somewhere and maybe travel for a week or two a year are very happy with T-Mobile. Especially with more data for same price now (except for unlimited data users).

If you ever travel for leisure, then you WILL find lots of areas with no T-Mobile service, and a few without any service at all. The United States is a big place, and there are lots of parts of the country where you can easily wake up in a city, hop in the car, and be in the middle of freaking nowhere a few hours later.

The times when you're away from civilization, so to speak, are the times where mobile data is the most useful. The ultimate is to have an AT&T phone and a Verizon phone, although that's impractical for an individual to have. I've had the privilege of traveling that way a couple of times, traveling with a friend who had Verizon. It was nice to know that no matter what network was in the area we were going, we would have service if in any way possible. It is tempting to grab an Android Tracfone on Verizon to supplement my AT&T phone while traveling, so that if anything works, I'll have access to it.

People who value coverage over cost will most likely choose Verizon. Those valuing cost over coverage will go to T-Mobile.

The interesting part is where does AT&T and Sprint fit in? AT&T is similar to Verizon in cost but Verizon has much better coverage while Sprint is similar in T-Mobile in cost but is a little more expensive with similar coverage.

Your argument about AT&T makes no sense. It depends a lot on the area. AT&T and Verizon are very close nationwide on average, but each has strong and weak markets. AT&T and Verizon have very similar amounts of overall and 4G coverage, although AT&T trails in 3G coverage, with some EDGE remaining. I *think* AT&T is slightly ahead in total coverage when you count roaming partners, but again, it's really close.

Where Sprint fits in is a good question, although given how crappy T-Mobile's network is, they don't really fit in anywhere either. Up to now, they have been good as going after the bottom scrapers, which is why they are known as Ghetto Wireless, but now with AT&T and Verizon MVNOs offer bargain basement service, even that niche is weakening significantly.

Actually, with the new Mobile Share Value plans, I'd put AT&T as similar in coverage to Verizon while being slightly more expensive than T-Mobile.

Sprint can roam on Verizon, I believe.

Yup. Sprint can roam on Verizon. At 1x speeds with a limited amount of data, and apparently it can't hand calls off, so when you go from native to roam or back, they just drop.
 
A lot of valid points in this thread. I've been following it for a while but haven't decided to post until just now.

Disclaimer, I am a T-mobile Customer and I agree with the OP on the original topic about how T-mobile is fantastic, at least in my experience. It seems that the thread has turned into a bit of a spitting contest since the original post but I digress.

For me and many others T-mobile offers great service and great value. It doesn't matter to me if the other carriers have coverage in the far reaches of the country since that does not effect me. T-mobile works well in all areas in which I need, and thats all that I can ask. I do travel but most of the time its by airplane and I'm always covered in the cities I frequent. In my experience, I've always had at least some sort of signal when traveling by highway. I may not have LTE, but as long as I can make a phone call and send/receive a text message (which I have always been able to do) I'm content. I'm usually the one who's driving so data is of little concern to me.

T-mobile works great 99% of the time for me. I concede that I may "suffer" edge speeds or even worse no coverage out in the boonies, but I don't see a need to pay extra for that 1% of the time. T-mobile works when and where I've needed them to, and Im sure many other people feel the same way.

Now of course everyone has a different experience depending on their own needs. For ME T-mobile works great, for others it may not. Again it all depends on PERSONAL needs. I find it silly that people feel the need to nitpick another carrier or a individuals choice of said carrier because theirs is bigger, faster, better. If it works for them, Great! They're happy with theirs and you're happy with yours. Win-win for everybody :D

Personally, I'm glad that we have the ability to choose from a variety of carriers. Not to mention with all of the "Un-Carrier" moves by T-mobile, the other carriers are being forced to respond with moves of their own. The consumer is the true winner here. Competition is good for everyone.
 
A lot of valid points in this thread. I've been following it for a while but haven't decided to post until just now.

Disclaimer, I am a T-mobile Customer and I agree with the OP on the original topic about how T-mobile is fantastic, at least in my experience. It seems that the thread has turned into a bit of a spitting contest since the original post but I digress.

For me and many others T-mobile offers great service and great value. It doesn't matter to me if the other carriers have coverage in the far reaches of the country since that does not effect me. T-mobile works well in all areas in which I need, and thats all that I can ask. I do travel but most of the time its by airplane and I'm always covered in the cities I frequent. In my experience, I've always had at least some sort of signal when traveling by highway. I may not have LTE, but as long as I can make a phone call and send/receive a text message (which I have always been able to do) I'm content. I'm usually the one who's driving so data is of little concern to me.

T-mobile works great 99% of the time for me. I concede that I may "suffer" edge speeds or even worse no coverage out in the boonies, but I don't see a need to pay extra for that 1% of the time. T-mobile works when and where I've needed them to, and Im sure many other people feel the same way.

Now of course everyone has a different experience depending on their own needs. For ME T-mobile works great, for others it may not. Again it all depends on PERSONAL needs. I find it silly that people feel the need to nitpick another carrier or a individuals choice of said carrier because theirs is bigger, faster, better. If it works for them, Great! They're happy with theirs and you're happy with yours. Win-win for everybody :D

Personally, I'm glad that we have the ability to choose from a variety of carriers. Not to mention with all of the "Un-Carrier" moves by T-mobile, the other carriers are being forced to respond with moves of their own. The consumer is the true winner here. Competition is good for everyone.

Have fun with little or no data service when you're traveling... I'll be cruising on HSPA+ or LTE here on AT&T.
 
T-Mobile is Fantastic!

No one I know uses T-Mobile. Because they suck. Just go online and look at the coverage maps... they show everywhere there's NOT 3G or 4G coverage (and the few places there are).


Why are u in this thread? The thread is about how people enjoy tmobile. There's over 35 million tmobile customers and counting. I'm sorry u don't know any of them, I'm sure they wish they knew you since you're opinion is fact supposedly.

And if no one used tmobile AT&T wouldn't be doing their next program or mobile value share, verizon wouldnt be doing edge, sprint with framily, etc.

You seem like a troll.
 
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Why are u in this thread? The thread is about how people enjoy tmobile. There's over 35 million tmobile customers and counting. I'm sorry u don't know any of them, I'm sure they wish they knew you since you're opinion is fact supposedly.

And if no one used tmobile AT&T wouldn't be doing their next program or mobile value share, verizon wouldnt be doing edge, sprint with framily, etc.

You seem like a troll.

46 million and growing a lot faster than the "great" AT&T network he praises.
 
"Majority of the people, probably don't travel much from where they live. So having "more" land covered isn't a big issue."

How could you surmise such a "fact"?

lol I can agree with his "fact" because I have met in this day and age some people who don't know all of the US states or where some are...or have never travelled outside of their home state....not to mention [Altho irrelevant] many people that don't even know where Canada is....

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As for T-Mobile, I can't wait for them to launch the 700MHz LTE -- that is going to be great and ill definitely give them a go once I have the next iPhone thats compatible with their network!

I wish they would just add 3G/4G HSPA+ to major interstate highways because going from Wisconsin/IL - Indiana-Detroit = too many Edge spots along the way while AT&T gives 3G/4G HSPA+ connection the entire way.
 
No one I know uses T-Mobile. Because they suck. Just go online and look at the coverage maps... they show everywhere there's NOT 3G or 4G coverage (and the few places there are).

What does the coverage maps have to do with the quality of service where people are covered?
 
How is iOS 7.1 working out for you T-Mobile customers? Did the updated carrier profile and new baseband make a difference? For me it did. I'm seeing more consistent LTE and 4g and less EDGE.
 
I just converted today from AT&T to T-Mobile. My wife and I have unlocked iPhones (both originally AT&T, but they granted unlocks for us). Both are on iOS 7.1.

So far, for some reason, I get 4G/LTE all the time in our house on my 5s. But her 5 is getting E almost all the time, even when side by side. I do have unlimited on my plan and she has 2.5 GB, but both should be full speed since we haven't even had T-Mobile for 12 hours yet, right?
 
I just converted today from AT&T to T-Mobile. My wife and I have unlocked iPhones (both originally AT&T, but they granted unlocks for us). Both are on iOS 7.1.

So far, for some reason, I get 4G/LTE all the time in our house on my 5s. But her 5 is getting E almost all the time, even when side by side. I do have unlimited on my plan and she has 2.5 GB, but both should be full speed since we haven't even had T-Mobile for 12 hours yet, right?

in april last year, the gsm iphone 5 was was updated to support all of t-mobile's 4g aws bands. is it possible you have one of these updated models while your wife does not?
 
in april last year, the gsm iphone 5 was was updated to support all of t-mobile's 4g aws bands. is it possible you have one of these updated models while your wife does not?

Very well could be. I wasn't aware. The 64gb iPhone 5 that she has was a hand me down from me. I originally got it on the iPhone 5 launch day in Sept 2012.

My 5s is from Sept 2013 so I'm assume it's the most versatile for supporting all bands, correct (even if originally on AT&T)?
 
No one I know uses T-Mobile. Because they suck. Just go online and look at the coverage maps... they show everywhere there's NOT 3G or 4G coverage (and the few places there are).

Autounion, is that you? I have never seen two people come to this site and continually bash T-Mobile. I'd almost swear they work for AT&T and are getting paid to bash.
 
lol I can agree with his "fact" because I have met in this day and age some people who don't know all of the US states or where some are...or have never travelled outside of their home state....not to mention [Altho irrelevant] many people that don't even know where Canada is....

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As for T-Mobile, I can't wait for them to launch the 700MHz LTE -- that is going to be great and ill definitely give them a go once I have the next iPhone thats compatible with their network!

I wish they would just add 3G/4G HSPA+ to major interstate highways because going from Wisconsin/IL - Indiana-Detroit = too many Edge spots along the way while AT&T gives 3G/4G HSPA+ connection the entire way.

Of course. There are people that are shut-ins and people who travel domestically almost 100% for a living. But if you want to embrace the strawman as a fact, I'm not going to dissuade you. #
 
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