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I guess calling Saul is out of the question then.
Maybe at least for watching "El Camino" they allow for more speed :)
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Some of this BS has to do with people trying (for no apparent reason) to defend the fact that Apple does not offer 5G smartphones yet.
It doesn't need to. Better to have 5G router and then good old wifi in your house. Still better story than Comcast I assume
 
Ooohhh nice! Can we also get a map of with higher incidences of cancer from here on? 😃
 
Huh, kinda like that they’re taking a page from Verizon’s playbook. Greater coverage is much better than massive speed. These days, no one really need that amount of speed especially when it’s data cockhold by all the carriers.
 
600mhz is only part of their 5G strategy. it includes lowland, midband, and mmwave. article says their 5G is 600mhz, incorrect. the 600mhz part is what they have been turning on this year
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600MHz can’t be 5G. True 5G works on 28GHz frequency.
they have low band mid band and high band mmwave. article implies only 600mhz, thats only the low band part. article needs rephrasing
 
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It's real 5G. There's nothing wrong/illegal/immoral about having 5G on a lower band.

It's an interesting combination, to be sure. 600 MHz is a low frequency for cell coverage, which (in general) means it will travel farther.

frequencies with good propagation characteristics
- reach farther
- more prone to interference

longer reach -> larger cell radius -> more connected UE -> less throughput/ue

5GNR is more efficient at squeezing data into the spectrum so you might get a solid 'LTE'-like performance on lower bands with less continuous spectrum. but not the gigabits it was marketed with.
nothing wrong with that, though, just stating the facts.
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5G is already an agreed upon standard, since 2017.

to what exactly are your referring to? 3GPP release 14?
because rel 15 was just 'agreed upon' - read released by 3GPP - in december 2018.
or do you just refer to 5G-new radio?

the current (rel14) NSA (non stand-alone architecture) heavily relies on LTE building blocks. so using the right band you can get decent speeds (way more than needed) but the latency improvement is negligible. on 600MHz you will not even experience extraordinary throughput.
 
As it stands, 4G is 4G everywhere. But apparently that was boring for the cellular providers so now each provider is going to have a different flavor of 5G. oh boy
 
I couldn't possibly care less about faster speeds than what is currently available with LTE. What I want is for a network to have BETTER COVERAGE. I live in the D.C. metro area, and speeds are usually decent, but coverage WITH good speed is very inconsistent. I drive 45 minutes towards the mountains, and it's a coin toss as to whether or not I have signal. Take a side road to find some random winery or hiking trail, and forget about it. I've had AT&T, Sprint, and now Verizon, and I've lived in the South, West, Midwest, and mid-Atlantic. The carriers all suck when it comes to consistent coverage. Screw 5G. Give us better coverage.
 
Good background info:


It explains the five core technologies of 5G. Not sure exactly how much of this is deployed (or even implemented) yet. Deploying a subset does not make a network full 5G. But marketing departments will spin anything.
 
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As someone who works internationally sometimes twice a month Tmobile has been a life saver and its domestic coverage has outperformed Verizon at times especially in major cities. Cant wait for next years iPhone to try 5G.
 
I've never heard of Sensorly so I tried to go to their site and they have closed down? How did you get those maps? I guess you have an old app?

The maps you posted looked way more detailed than the standard maps from the carriers which is why I was curious to see what my area looked like.

They must have JUST updated their site because I took those screenshots this morning here's the URL from my bookmarks - https://www.sensorly.com/en/map/?q=Enfield, NH 03748, USA
 
I wish their map showed state borders. I would assume Columbus has 5G though.

No 5G here in Columbus. 71 down by Jeffersonville and a small area north of town does though. 600 MHz spectrum in CMH isn’t fully cleared yet.

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https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/5g-coverage-map?icid=WMM_TMO_U_19NETWRK5G_RD0INHDA4JV061TKH19031
 
Makes me mad. They are moving along with deploying 5G and they haven't even deployed band 71 extended range LTE in my city.
 
5G, 5Schmeee...

I would settle for 1 bar of LTE in Carlsbad, CA. T-Mobile, your LTE service in Bressi Ranch is ABYSMAL!!!! Not a good showing in one of the wealthier parts of Carlsbad...
 
It's real 5G. There's nothing wrong/illegal/immoral about having 5G on a lower band.

It's an interesting combination, to be sure. 600 MHz is a low frequency for cell coverage, which (in general) means it will travel farther.

But it's also somewhat meaningless, without knowing the actual buildout specs - bandwidth used, backhaul available, etc and so on and so forth.

It’s 5G in a sense what 4G did to complement existing 3G networks back in 2011-2012. HSPA+ was already capable of 42Mbps with the right set up. Same with Gigabit LTE vs. Early 5G.

5G benefits include lower latency + higher bandwidth only negated by the use of 600Mhz which means further reach / more people have to share an antenna. In an ideal world, the promise of gigabit wireless data is only possible with mmWave.

IoT application for 5G also benefits from 600Mhz esp. for an area as large as USA.

I’d like to think of it as additional spectrum that only a handful of people can access and helps take away congestion from existing 4G antennas. There are times when I get better 3G reception in major events than LTE.

Win-win regarding marketing and getting it to actual consumers. *ehem* AT&T 5Ge *ehem*

Also, it’s wise to follow Sprint’s lead (adopting 5G in lower freq) as they are already approved for merge.
 
Some of this BS has to do with people trying (for no apparent reason) to defend the fact that Apple does not offer 5G smartphones yet.
Could be for a good reason. (The chips have to mature a bit and the coverage has to widen a bit). Basically todays 5G = 4G+ (except in some square millimeters of the US apparently)
 
I am very interested in this technology, the wireless and low latency seems too good to be true. Since this tech was developed to be able to absorb high amount of traffic, we shouldn't see usage caps.
 
Some of this BS has to do with people trying (for no apparent reason) to defend the fact that Apple does not offer 5G smartphones yet.

Curious which 5G phone you purchased? I presume it must be a critical service for you, if you think that Apple needs to be “defend[ed]” over their decision not to include this technology in their products. Until there are integrated 5G modems that support all the bands and work on all the networks (as there are for LTE), I personally am not interested. I do not care if Apple had a special iPhone 11 Pro 5G, just as Samsung has one for its Note 10, as I would never purchase it. The last thing I want is a phone that has worse battery life and will not work on ATT & T-Mobile as my current iPhone does (one SIM, one eSIM).
 
Could be for a good reason. (The chips have to mature a bit and the coverage has to widen a bit). Basically todays 5G = 4G+ (except in some square millimeters of the US apparently)
And, of course, Apple's timing will be perfect, right? Even though they always release their phones in September. September is the best time to release the first phone with 3G or 4G (LTE) or 5G. Universe must be marching to Apple's drum. And this time around we know for a fact that Apple simply did not have a 5G modem to put in their phones this year so they could not release 5G phone even if they wanted, we will still say that it was too early for them to do it. Now 60% of US (and 100% in some other countries) is covered by 5G but Apple customers will have to wait for at least another year to get 5G smartphone. Hmmm.
 
And, of course, Apple's timing will be perfect, right?
Presumably a little better than first, which seems to get one 4G+. Plus presumably newer chips.

Even though they always release their phones in September. September is the best time to release the first phone with 3G or 4G (LTE) or 5G. Universe must be marching to Apple's drum.
I don't know such things in the future about who the drums of the universe will march to.

And this time around we know for a fact that Apple simply did not have a 5G modem to put in their phones this year so they could not release 5G phone even if they wanted,
True.

we will still say that it was too early for them to do it.
It certainly appears to be. Samsung is mostly first in that regard to support of new hardware.

Now 60% of US (and 100% in some other countries) is covered by 5G but Apple customers will have to wait for at least another year to get 5G smartphone. Hmmm.
I would say more like 4G+, unless you are standing on the square millimeters with mwave access.
 
Presumably a little better than first, which seems to get one 4G+. Plus presumably newer chips.


I don't know such things in the future about who the drums of the universe will march to.


True.


It certainly appears to be. Samsung is mostly first in that regard to support of new hardware.


I would say more like 4G+, unless you are standing on the square millimeters with mwave access.
5G on LTE bands is still 20% faster than LTE (at least for T-Mobile), has lower latency and ability to handle more connections (crowds).
 
side note, there’s no point to buying a 5G phone now anyway. The specs will likely change and compatibility will be a huge issue. Switching to another carrier’s 5G etc will be a pain or impossible. It’ll be better to wait until 5G is standardized before buying one

I agree with the first point as until we see phones with Qualcomm's X55 modem in a fully working condition it will be half baked.

5G is standardized - see 5G-NR, it's in some ways far more standardized than 4G/LTE was and has been this way since 2017.

600MHz 5G is far more interesting than mm5G which is almost useless in this engineers opinion.
 
5G on LTE bands is still 20% faster than LTE (at least for T-Mobile), has lower latency and ability to handle more connections (crowds).
Theoretically it may be slightly better, but there are many caveats, some of which have been mentioned in this thread, that make it matter not that much, at least right now. In 2020 when the new phones are released, we'll see what the landscape of 5g really looks like and if people are really getting that "beneficial boost".
 
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