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Here's my take on it...

The jump from 3G to 4G was huge. Game-changing. It took the mobile Internet from unusable to usable. From terrible to great. And look at all the stuff we can do on 4G that would have been a nightmare on 3G. We wouldn't have had the proliferation of Instagram, or Uber, or mobile YouTube, or any of the other amazing things we do today if we were still stuck on 3G.

In short... 4G is great.

But while I hear all the benefits that 5G will offer like faster speeds, lower latency, it working better in large crowds, etc... I'm just not excited about 5G like I was for 4G.

5G doesn't feel like the same monumental leap that 4G was.

I'm usually a champion for "better, faster, stronger"... but 5G isn't grabbing me just yet.
 
600MHz can’t be 5G. True 5G works on 28GHz frequency.

yeah ....no.... that couldn't be more of an incorrect statement.

Frequency Range 1 (FR1) runs 410 MHz to 7125 MHz.

Frequency Range 2 (FR2) runs 24.25 GHz to 52.6 GHz

5G is NR. NR runs on a litany of radio frequencies, 600 mhz being among them.

There's currently 40 approved frequency channels in FR1... and only 4 in FR2.
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Thats kind of an incorrect statement If you actually read int he issue over the last few years you would know that the reason for lack of 5G is they were sick and tired (as most manufacturers are) of Qualcomm's anti-competitive practices and licensing requirements to use their chips, so Apple relied on Intel to build out the 5G chips and it failed, so they had to back track and form licensing arrangements with Qualcomm that won't be ready in Apple phones until 2020.

That's not it either. The current Qualcomm SOC (855) doesn't have a 5G modem... it has the X24 modem that only does LTE -- which is what was available at the time the agreement was made. Any 5G phone currently has a separate X50 modem added in addition to the SOC, which wasn't available at the time of the agreement and also makes the phones noticeably thicker.

The Snapdragon 865 that has the integrated 5G modem doesn't come out until next year.
 
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This is the 4K of TV. It’s great if it all works, but hardly ever works and almost no content (at least not the majority of what is watched).

Sports are the most watched programming in US and zero of it is in 4K.

there are a lot sports in 4K now. World Series. Every thursday night NFL football game. Every Notre Dame football game, about 3 other handpicked college games every Saturday. Golf majors and other randoms. Soccer every week. NBA and NCAA basketball as well. It’s not every game yet but it’s a ton more and growing. HD was the same when it came out.
 
This sounds a lot like a riddle: “If a company builds a network with no compatible devices how fast does it go?”

There’s no way to test it or prove it even exists. They could have announced it at anytime :)
 
there are a lot sports in 4K now. World Series. Every thursday night NFL football game. Every Notre Dame football game, about 3 other handpicked college games every Saturday. Golf majors and other randoms. Soccer every week. NBA and NCAA basketball as well. It’s not every game yet but it’s a ton more and growing. HD was the same when it came out.
I'm talking about through broadcasted TV in general and traditional carriers like AT&T, Time Warner, Frontier, Charter, etc...not on YouTube or Apps offered by MLB or NBA. I guess there are a few selected events broadcast in 4K, but from what I've seen, it's compressed and garbage compared to the quality 4K. It's also delayed 1-2 minutes, which is almost unacceptable in the live sports world.

I'll restate it. In general, sports aren't in 4K. There are pro games every single night. There isn't nearly enough 4K content and not having most sports is a HUGE issue.

Let's be serious too...they don't even broadcast most programming in 1080P....it's freaking 1080i...so they haven't even gotten 1080P right yet. Let's not even talk about 4K.
 
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The two phones Tmobile is selling as 5G will also work with 5G on Sprint's band 41 so after the merger those phone will see a big boost in speeds from that and since they do not have 600 rolled out everywhere they must also have it working on their 700mhz in some areas that they show 5G coverage in where there is no band 71 yet.
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I'm talking about through broadcasted TV in general and traditional carriers like AT&T, Time Warner, Frontier, Charter, etc...not on YouTube or Apps offered by MLB or NBA. I guess there are a few selected events broadcast in 4K, but from what I've seen, it's compressed and garbage compared to the quality 4K. It's also delayed 1-2 minutes, which is almost unacceptable in the live sports world.

I'll restate it. In general, sports aren't in 4K. There are pro games every single night. There isn't nearly enough 4K content and not having most sports is a HUGE issue.

Let's be serious too...they don't even broadcast most programming in 1080P....it's freaking 1080i...so they haven't even gotten 1080P right yet. Let's not even talk about 4K.

That'll come with ATSC 3.0 which will enable broadcasters to broadcast in 4k.
 
Tmo's approach with lower-frequency longer-propagation 5G makes more sense but I'll need to see throughput samples. Very high speed but very short range millimeter wave 5G seems gimmicky in comparison.
 
This is, of course, anecdotal. I get 30-45 down during peak hours and 80-120 during non-peak. It’s all about where you live, your home’s physical characteristics, distance from tower, etc.

I get what you are saying as I did before; And I understand the physical characteristics, distance from tower and all other factors, but all that does not explain (in my case) the speed variance which is at least 30 times different between peak and non-peak hours. To me there is only one explanation and that T-mobile is over-selling their services (like when airlines overbook their flights) and throttling is the way to manage it.
 
"T-Mobile today announced that its 600MHz 5G network has gone live across the United States, bringing 5G connectivity to those who have a compatible smartphone. "

Disclaimer: not Apple.

Apple users will wait... we always do.
 
I'm talking about through broadcasted TV in general and traditional carriers like AT&T, Time Warner, Frontier, Charter, etc...not on YouTube or Apps offered by MLB or NBA. I guess there are a few selected events broadcast in 4K, but from what I've seen, it's compressed and garbage compared to the quality 4K. It's also delayed 1-2 minutes, which is almost unacceptable in the live sports world.

I'll restate it. In general, sports aren't in 4K. There are pro games every single night. There isn't nearly enough 4K content and not having most sports is a HUGE issue.

Let's be serious too...they don't even broadcast most programming in 1080P....it's freaking 1080i...so they haven't even gotten 1080P right yet. Let's not even talk about 4K.

wasnt live tv delayed because of a nip slip like two decades ago?
 
I’d take a more flushed out LTE network. I’m live on the outer edge of Albuquerque and have to use WiFi calling. Drive 5-10 min south and you get 5 bars.

Luxury! I live at the end of a canyon near Cloudcroft. If I walk ¼ mile up the hill to my neighbor's house (with a view of Sierra Blanca from their back porch), I can get one bar and send texts. The signal is pretty good 3 miles away near US 82.

but in general 600MHz will me MUCH better for rural users. That’s the real benefit. These are the old UFH TV bands... that used to get 30-40+ miles of TV coverage. if rural users can get a consistent 20Mbs stream, they’ll be beating DSL which is the only barely serviceable option.

This. I get 12Mbps on a good day, for the same price I used to get symmetric 1Gbps back in Austin. The tradeoff is worth it to live where I live, though.
 
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