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For those interested, this explains how 5G would work on low bands (like 600Mhz).

 
This is good news, but not enough for me to switch. Verizon 4g coverage is great where I live and I could watch 1080p videos without buffering. I still have doubts about TMobile reliability.
 
You honestly believe that T-Mobile will keep up their current practices at that point? Not a chance.

Right now they're offering these enticing offers to get people to switch. At this point, most in the US have cell phones. That means that growth can only be had by making people switch from one carrier to another (years ago growth could be had by getting someone to sign up for their first cell phone instead).

T-Mobile has the most room to grow right now so they're playing a game of lower profits in turn for offering bigger discounts to their users. But that plan isn't sustainable. Once they amass a good client size, they'll be forced to increase prices in order to bring about the return required to pay back investments they've made in their attempts at fast growth.

This is a pretty classic move and one we see in countless other businesses where a small competitor want to play with the big boys. Customers love them at first but with time they become just like everyone else. Comcast did this exact move years ago for instance.
I do have faith in them. Every business cares about profits, but with them, I see that they care about customers as well. If it wasn't for them, who knows where the industry would be.

So yeah, I'm still optimistic.
 
I get better coverage then the big two, and I pay less while I get 110 Mbps

You obviously live in a city. I'm not denying T-Mobile is deserving of being a top carrier and viable alternative to Verizon or AT&T. I'm stating that in rural areas, that's not the case yet.
 
For those interested, this explains how 5G would work on low bands (like 600Mhz).

Wow. I suppose this is a good explanation if you can understand all his abbreviations, acronyms, and highly technical jargon spoken at 346534663 words per minute. Reminds me of a carny trying to get you to play his game on the midway. I'm sure there are a handful of people on here who might be able digest what he's saying. Definitely not a layman' explanation.
 
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It's like putting a sports car on a one-way two mile track. Wow, 12 gigabits per second! Speed test is awesome! Gee, I wonder how long until my 26gb threshold is reached and I'm de-prioritized down to 3 megabits/sec. Oh wait it just happened! 5G awesomeness FTW...
 
You honestly believe that T-Mobile will keep up their current practices at that point? Not a chance.

Right now they're offering these enticing offers to get people to switch. At this point, most in the US have cell phones. That means that growth can only be had by making people switch from one carrier to another (years ago growth could be had by getting someone to sign up for their first cell phone instead).

T-Mobile has the most room to grow right now so they're playing a game of lower profits in turn for offering bigger discounts to their users. But that plan isn't sustainable. Once they amass a good client size, they'll be forced to increase prices in order to bring about the return required to pay back investments they've made in their attempts at fast growth.

This is a pretty classic move and one we see in countless other businesses where a small competitor want to play with the big boys. Customers love them at first but with time they become just like everyone else. Comcast did this exact move years ago for instance.

I'd still prefer to have them than any other carrier. If they become within 15% of the price of Verizon or ATT I'll switch, but until then I'm riding the ship. Their service is great if you live in a urban or suburban area!

I think most people realized their plan isn't sustainable when they decided to start paying the taxes for their customers, lol
 
You honestly believe that T-Mobile will keep up their current practices at that point? Not a chance.

Right now they're offering these enticing offers to get people to switch. At this point, most in the US have cell phones. That means that growth can only be had by making people switch from one carrier to another (years ago growth could be had by getting someone to sign up for their first cell phone instead).

T-Mobile has the most room to grow right now so they're playing a game of lower profits in turn for offering bigger discounts to their users. But that plan isn't sustainable. Once they amass a good client size, they'll be forced to increase prices in order to bring about the return required to pay back investments they've made in their attempts at fast growth.

This is a pretty classic move and one we see in countless other businesses where a small competitor want to play with the big boys. Customers love them at first but with time they become just like everyone else. Comcast did this exact move years ago for instance.


Its called working off volume. Instead of getting 1 new customers for a higher price but intead get 3 new customers at lower prices. I would rather go for the later . Volume seems to work for Walmart and other companies.
 
Its called working off volume. Instead of getting 1 new customers for a higher price but intead get 3 new customers at lower prices. I would rather go for the later . Volume seems to work for Walmart and other companies.

They'd have to take the entire market for that to work. That's simply not happening. Working off volume doesn't work with this type of business in the long term. Your example of Walmart doesn't apply in this situation either.
 
If Apple doesn't support current gigabyte LTE with 256 QAM and 4x4 MIMO in the iPhone 8 with either Intel chips or Qualcomm (doubtful with the lawsuit) don't count on them doing anything with 5G until well after 2020.

Sadly Samsung, LG, and others will have 5G in their phones long before Apple does.

While Apple does have impressive phone tech they are notorious when it comes to adopting cell network advancements.

And don't tell me it's about battery life. That argument is baseless at this point.

Since Apple is only looking out for the consumer the iPhone 8 wont have gigabyte LTE they will save it for the iPhone 8s essentially forcing customers to upgrade once again. My area is supposed to have gigabyte LTE in Q2 so I would probably have to buy a S8 if I want those speeds.
 
Hmm. Thinking maybe they should finish figuring 4G out first. I switched over to TMob from ATT a couple months ago. When their service is good its great, but when it's poor it's non-existant. Hopefuly their version of 5G will be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Same here, and will have to go back to ATT, in spite of the price difference, just can't run my business with TM's spotty coverage and intermittently slow internet connection. You get what you pay for, although TM has great marketing.
 
That sounds great! Wait a minute their LTE still spotty and they still have GPRS around. John Legere the clown will make it sound like this is already all over the nation and all the phone are compatible. He's really funny!
 
Does this have implications beyond “phones?” How about desktop devices? Replacement for Comcast cable modems at a paltry 70Mbps?

I would think so... like how cable companies came along and gave phone companies a wakeup call with both phone and internet services... I expect this continued mobile development to push all wireline carriers. There's no good reason why Comcast and Charter, as the big 2, aren't DOCSIS 3.0 across the board... 3.1 shouldn't be far behind them... and with the advantages of already having huge wireline networks, they should be able to push their offerings up even higher than whatever the new wireless offers us.
 
This is really a better choice for a network build-out than the "conventional" thinking about 5G. Super high speed services on your phone -- for what? Even 1080p streaming is going to work fine on a steady 25 mbps service rate. Existing data rates on LTE networks are already much higher than this.

Availability (coverage) of the network is where there are still issues. People are still having to move towards windows or so outside to get basic calls to be legible in some areas. A network with superior penetration of buildings and landscaping will help with service coverage for all people. Folks in rural areas that are farther away from towers, and folks in the city where they are deep in office buildings.
 
Does this have implications beyond “phones?” How about desktop devices? Replacement for Comcast cable modems at a paltry 70Mbps?
Both AT&T and Verizon will deploy 5G-based fixed wireless Internet access (they are running trials in several cities already). This primarily uses high-band spectrum (which provides high capacity, but doesn't penetrate buildings well, so it works best for fixed wireless with roof-top antennas). T-Mobile's low-band spectrum is less suitable for this, and perhaps as a result of that they are focusing on mobile 5G.
 
It's like putting a sports car on a one-way two mile track. Wow, 12 gigabits per second! Speed test is awesome! Gee, I wonder how long until my 26gb threshold is reached and I'm de-prioritized down to 3 megabits/sec. Oh wait it just happened! 5G awesomeness FTW...

Unit traffic on that particular tower decreases and your speeds go back up.
 
Will iPhone even bother supporting 5G before 2020?

You mean will iPhone support 5G before
- the spec exists (NO spec exists today) AND
- the chips haven't been designed (because no spec exists!)

No, I think it is a safe bet that the iPhone will NOT be supporting 5G before these things happen. And, strange to say, big projects like this take TIME. How long do you think it takes from spec to designing the chip to manufacturing it? Three months???

This is a PR move that has nothing to do with "real" 5G. It's a marketing announcement, not a technology announcement.
T-Mobile will simply call whatever their network supports in 2019 5G, just like the carriers called whatever they were providing in 2010 4G, even though they only provided LTE a year later...
 
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