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While we are at it, you shouldn't use your card as a debit card for gas purchases either. If you clear, I think it's $75 or $100 they will place a large hold on your account, sometimes upwards of $250.

On a related note I just signed up and the $700 hold is CLEARLY explained in the terms in multiple places.
 
OP acts shocked when it was clearly stated in every article. Plus he acknowledged it when signing up.
 
Do you think Tmobile will have iPhone 6 at launch? My friend is pushing me to switch from my grandfathered unlimited ATT plan. Here in Tucson his download speeds are three times what I'm getting. Plus he gets free music streaming and 5GB of hotspot tethering data. :(
 
Do you think Tmobile will have iPhone 6 at launch? My friend is pushing me to switch from my grandfathered unlimited ATT plan. Here in Tucson his download speeds are three times what I'm getting. Plus he gets free music streaming and 5GB of hotspot tethering data. :(
why won't they? the question is can you get one before it sells out.
 
Do you think Tmobile will have iPhone 6 at launch? My friend is pushing me to switch from my grandfathered unlimited ATT plan. Here in Tucson his download speeds are three times what I'm getting. Plus he gets free music streaming and 5GB of hotspot tethering data. :(

Just check out Tmobile test drive than right now. Use it in your most frequent places.

T-mobile's biggest weakness is generally inside buildings. So move the phone to where you will be 80-90% of the day. Check out the network. You have nothing to lose with the test drive.

If the 7 day trial works for you. Return the phone and wait for iphone 6 to come out. Apple will have a unlocked model iphone 6 for launch.
 
I have a $25,000 credit limit and a current balance of $30.39 from a few recent charges, a $700 hold would not affect me. Make it a $7,000 hold for all I care.

If you're living so close to your credit limit that a $700 hold would be a problem, you can't afford a $700 phone.
 
I have a $25,000 credit limit and a current balance of $30.39 from a few recent charges, a $700 hold would not affect me. Make it a $7,000 hold for all I care.

If you're living so close to your credit limit that a $700 hold would be a problem, you can't afford a $700 phone.

No one cares what your credit limit is. ;)
 
I'm sorry, but this simply is not universally true. I've seen hotel, rental car, and other business holds take up to 10 days. AGAIN, I didn't say it was an issue - just an FYI for people who want to participate.

Never ever ever use a debit card for either one of those; that's why God created credit cards.

With a debit card they effectively block the money for 10 days like you said, with a credit card though; it doesn't matter; it will stay on your card as 'pending' not effectively taking anything (though lowering your available credit).

Even if you end up paying and settling for a hotel room using a debit card, always present the credit card when you check in.
 
Do you (or anyone else) know how it worked on launch day last year? If I go to the Apple store can I buy one and finance with T-Mobile?

You pay full price at apple retail store or website up front.

Finance at tmobile retail store.

Think Apple doesn't or hasn't setup being a 3rd party financing center for the carriers yet. So it's easier for them to sell full price instead of linking with carriers 20-24 month financing system.
 
You pay full price at apple retail store or website up front.

Finance at tmobile retail store.

Think Apple doesn't or hasn't setup being a 3rd party financing center for the carriers yet. So it's easier for them to sell full price instead of linking with carriers 20-24 month financing system.

Gotcha. Thanks!

Ill probably just pay full price so I can get it from the Apple store...carrier stock was pretty low last year.
 
Not having the money available either via credit or debit is essentially the same effect - less access to your money

Let's correct this statement a little bit: For a credit card, you are not being denied access to your money, but rather your bank's money. A credit card is not "your money." Many people make this incorrect assumption, and that's how a lot of them end up deep in debt.

If it's a debit card, then yes, access to your money is withheld. However, for 7 days, you are holding a $700 piece of equipment that is not owned by you, but rather is T-Mobile's property. If you break it, lose it, or choose not to return it, then T-Mobile is out the cost of that iPhone, which they must then recover from you. Putting a $700 authorization hold ensures that they can in fact, recover their costs if they don't get back their property.

(And actually, T-Mobile will work with you if the phone gets broken: you only have to pay $100, which is even cheaper than if you broke your own iPhone and had to pay Apple to fix it).

If can't temporarily deal with $700 in your bank account being tied up while you borrow a $700 phone, then you should put up a credit card instead. If you still can't deal with that credit tie-up, or don't have a credit card to secure that loan, then maybe you shouldn't be borrowing a $700 phone.

Banks and credit granting businesses make interest on your money - the longer they hold it, the more interest they make. Thank you U.S. Congress for this consumer unfriendly policy.

Banks do not incur interest on authorization holds. As for actual purchases and money kept in an account: yes, that's how money is created and how banks stay in business. It's been that way for centuries now. While some banks are guilty of being abusive in their practices, railing against banks for charging any interest for legitimate loans is a bit absurd.
 
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Let's correct this statement a little bit: For a credit card, you are not being denied access to your money, but rather your bank's money. A credit card is not "your money." Many people make this incorrect assumption, and that's how a lot of them end up deep in debt.

If it's a debit card, then yes, access to your money is withheld. However, for 7 days, you are holding a $700 piece of equipment that is not owned by you, but rather is T-Mobile's property. If you break it, lose it, or choose not to return it, then T-Mobile is out the cost of that iPhone, which they must then recover from you. Putting a $700 authorization hold ensures that they can in fact, recover their costs if they don't get back their property.

(And actually, T-Mobile will work with you if the phone gets broken: you only have to pay $100, which is even cheaper than if you broke your own iPhone and had to pay Apple to fix it).

If can't temporarily deal with $700 in your bank account being tied up while you borrow a $700 phone, then you should put up a credit card instead. If you still can't deal with that credit tie-up, or don't have a credit card to secure that loan, then maybe you shouldn't be borrowing a $700 phone.



Banks do not incur interest on authorization holds. As for actual purchases and money kept in an account: yes, that's how money is created and how banks stay in business. It's been that way for centuries now. While some banks are guilty of being abusive in their practices, railing against banks for charging any interest for legitimate loans is a bit absurd.

Just wanted to say that this post is full of win.

That is all.
 
Why are you crying?The hold on my accounts not even there anymore.They put the hold see that it won't decline then it goes away.BooHoo
 
Why would they not put a hold on your account for the value of the phone when the phone isn't even yours. I'm not understanding why you're so mad. T-Mobile has to do something if you break the phone, lose it, or "steal" it. They're not going to let people test drive phones and then after that period is over not do anything about it when you decide not to return it. Does that even make any sense to you?
 
Lol. Hardly anyone is having the same reaction as the OP. Personally I don't see a problem with what TMO is doing here.
 
I'm more surprised at the price. It is $50 more (plus tax) than at the Apple store. So if you decide to buy it, do they stay at $700? Do they sell it or do payment plans totaling $700 + tax? Or do they sell it at the actual price of $649.99?

The test drive 5s, it's a 16GB right?
 
HOLDS only take 1 day to release. Doesn't mean the bank took it's time to release them or the company. I work for a financial institution and this is from experience.

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Excatly. Holds can be released instantly.

Of course they "can" be, but they are often not.

I'm an internet retailer and I have to deal with this all the time. I go through this at least once a week with customers who use debit cards, and I can tell you from 15 years of experience that these holds often take 10 days or more to be released. I have to waste my time explaining to people that there is nothing I can do to release the funds back to them quicker and they need to call their bank.
 
I'm more surprised at the price. It is $50 more (plus tax) than at the Apple store. So if you decide to buy it, do they stay at $700? Do they sell it or do payment plans totaling $700 + tax? Or do they sell it at the actual price of $649.99?

The test drive 5s, it's a 16GB right?

You can't buy the phone you test drive. Presumably you would return the "test drive" phone to a T-Mobile store and buy a brand new phone there (not sure what they charge in-store).

If there is in fact a $50 "premium" for not returning the phone I would assume that's the MSRP and some of it is to recoup costs associated with running the program, covering shipping of the phone, to discourage people from not returning the phone, etc. My guess is they don't want to deal with the hassle of people keeping "test drive" phones. Probably no different than the jacked up prices (again, MSRP) Blockbuster would charge for not returning rentals.
 
You can't buy the phone you test drive. Presumably you would return the "test drive" phone to a T-Mobile store and buy a brand new phone there (not sure what they charge in-store).

If there is in fact a $50 "premium" for not returning the phone I would assume that's the MSRP and some of it is to recoup costs associated with running the program, covering shipping of the phone, to discourage people from not returning the phone, etc. My guess is they don't want to deal with the hassle of people keeping "test drive" phones. Probably no different than the jacked up prices (again, MSRP) Blockbuster would charge for not returning rentals.

Woah, really? That's crazy. So if people test drive it, like it, set up all their stuff, they'll need to erase it and get another one? I can forsee that being a bit troublesome. So what happens to the test drive devices? I'm thinking they'll get sent out on another test drive?

Ah. So basically like rental cars in use that can't be bought. I wonder if they'll eventually sell them off or let Asurion use them as insurance replacements.
 
Woah, really? That's crazy. So if people test drive it, like it, set up all their stuff, they'll need to erase it and get another one? I can forsee that being a bit troublesome. So what happens to the test drive devices? I'm thinking they'll get sent out on another test drive?

Ah. So basically like rental cars in use that can't be bought. I wonder if they'll eventually sell them off or let Asurion use them as insurance replacements.

Yeah, it's on an FAQ on their site....

-Can I buy the phone I’ve been using when the trial is complete?


Sorry, you cannot purchase the Test Drive phone once your trial has ended. While you may want to keep the Test Drive phone and add ongoing T-Mobile service to it, those phones are specifically assigned to the trial. Instead you can close out your Test Drive by returning the trial phone and can shop among the great selection of T-Mobile’s 4G LTE phones for permanent use.

http://explore.t-mobile.com/test-drive-free-trial?icid=WMM_TM_RVR_STKIIK1HFV364

I would say it's for the best. You wouldn't want people paying full price for a phone that's been used many times before.
 
Woah, really? That's crazy. So if people test drive it, like it, set up all their stuff, they'll need to erase it and get another one? I can forsee that being a bit troublesome. So what happens to the test drive devices? I'm thinking they'll get sent out on another test drive?

Ah. So basically like rental cars in use that can't be bought. I wonder if they'll eventually sell them off or let Asurion use them as insurance replacements.

Hope you do a full iTunes backup before you take back the phone to buy a new one. Though, granted probably most new iPhone users wont know to do a backup. Maybe they will transfer everything for you.

But I do think the test drive phone is like a rental car, just used and abused! :D
 
I'm more surprised at the price. It is $50 more (plus tax) than at the Apple store. So if you decide to buy it, do they stay at $700? Do they sell it or do payment plans totaling $700 + tax? Or do they sell it at the actual price of $649.99?

The test drive 5s, it's a 16GB right?

I received my test drive iPhone 5s today and it was a gold 64gb...
 
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