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Carrier T-Mobile: What You Should Know

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rmhop81 said:
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/
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Good find. Now OP is going to go back to those posts and erase/edit the evidence. Maybe OP is going to find some way to game Verizon's Edge program :rolleyes:
 
blarivee said:
Good find. Now OP is going to go back to those posts and erase/edit the evidence. Maybe OP is going to find some way to game Verizon's Edge program :rolleyes:
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thanks! don't worry i made screenshots :D

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mattopotamus said:
How is he flipping phones bought at full retail, I just don't see the market or the profits.
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what it looks like he was doing was getting a interest free loan from them and making a few bucks as the phones weren't full retail. so example, at one point they had a 5s for around $500 total. He buys it and starts paying the monthly rate and turns around and sells the phone for $650 etc. pockets his $150 or whatever he makes and enjoys the cash in his pocket and continues to pay monthly.

my bet why it got flagged was bc the phones were never used on his T-mobile account and were quickly sold and showed up on other people's accounts. meanwhile, he's still paying monthly which it's attached to his account. So really, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what he's doing especially when they have different flags set up. To the normal person like us, it doesn't make sense. But to me, looks like he was just using them as a bank and getting an interest free loan.
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rmhop81 said:
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/

There OP, I did prove something.
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Well now it all makes sense. What is looks like is back when the iPhones 5S was fetching more than retail on eBay/Craigslist he was buying them at $0 down, flipping them for profit, and then going back to buy another one and pocketing the difference. That pretty much explains why he was flagged and removed from their service. Technically he was in fact paying for all of those devices but he was abusing an exploit in the way their financing is done in order to make a profit or get upfront cash like an interest-free loan for the ones he sold that he didn't actually profit on. It's no wonder that I've never heard of another single person being kicked off the network for selling their phones.

For those who are more familiar with subsides: What he was doing is akin to someone going to AT&T and paying $199 for a new 5S, selling the phone for profit, and immediately canceling the account and paying the ETF. Then repeating it over and over again. The difference is that at T-Mobile all of the buying and selling is done on one account since he's just opening and closing EIPs over and over rather than actually canceling the service. Pretty easy for their loss prevention department to see the pattern by looking at his account history.

Also I noticed he removed the images from T-Mobile that were in his OP
 
So, you buy a phone on a T-Mobile payment plan, sell it (which T-Mobile explicitly states is against their terms of service), repeat this almost a dozen times, then wonder why T-Mobile gave you the boot?
 
yg17 said:
So, you buy a phone on a T-Mobile payment plan, sell it (which T-Mobile explicitly states is against their terms of service), repeat this almost a dozen times, then wonder why T-Mobile gave you the boot?
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You type faster than me.

This is summed up as "T-Mobile: What You Should Know [is they hardly appreciate or tolerate you using their EIP program to obtain phones and resell them for cash]."
 
rmhop81 said:
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/

There OP, I guess I did prove something.
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I missed this before. Good find! There's a total lack of sympathy on my part for the OP.
 
rmhop81 said:
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/

There OP, I guess I did prove something.
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OMG Priceless! OP got caught scamming T-Mobile. Now the reaper has come to get his due and he cries wolf! Great detective work! :)
I knew there was more to the story than the OP was telling us..... TMO would not have put that much effort into banning him from stores and canceling his account for just say 5 phones. But say a TMO employee reads these forums and maybe reported him....when he was bragging about doing his scam...who knows....
Then posting it here on the forum trying to burn TMO and make like a victim. You lose all future credibility.....
 
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CEmajr said:
For those who are more familiar with subsides: What he was doing is akin to someone going to AT&T and paying $199 for a new 5S, selling the phone for profit, and immediately canceling the account and paying the ETF. Then repeating it over and over again. The difference is that at T-Mobile all of the buying and selling is done on one account since he's just opening and closing EIPs over and over rather than actually canceling the service. Pretty easy for their loss prevention department to see the pattern by looking at his account history.

Also I noticed he removed the images from T-Mobile that were in his OP
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OMG, OP could so do this with Verizon's (or any carrier's) regular subsidized phone plans. Pay $199 up front and terminate next month and pay ETF. Sell close to retail and make profit. Repeat process.


rmhop81 said:
thanks! don't worry i made screenshots :D
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OP is fortunate that T-Mobile did not decide to blacklist IMEI of all those resold phones. OP would then have to refund/absorb the losses.
 
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rmhop81 said:
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/
Oh you are good. Damn good in fact. Most impressive sleuthing and bravo!

There OP, I guess I did prove something.
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Oh you are good. Damn good. Most impressive and bravo!

One has to wonder why the OP would even post this thread considering he'd already posted all the above.
Stupid is as stupid does I guess. SMH.
 
CEmajr said:
Well now it all makes sense. What is looks like is back when the iPhones 5S was fetching more than retail on eBay/Craigslist he was buying them at $0 down, flipping them for profit, and then going back to buy another one and pocketing the difference. That pretty much explains why he was flagged and removed from their service. Technically he was in fact paying for all of those devices but he was abusing an exploit in the way their financing is done in order to make a profit or get upfront cash like an interest-free loan for the ones he sold that he didn't actually profit on. It's no wonder that I've never heard of another single person being kicked off the network for selling their phones.

For those who are more familiar with subsides: What he was doing is akin to someone going to AT&T and paying $199 for a new 5S, selling the phone for profit, and immediately canceling the account and paying the ETF. Then repeating it over and over again. The difference is that at T-Mobile all of the buying and selling is done on one account since he's just opening and closing EIPs over and over rather than actually canceling the service. Pretty easy for their loss prevention department to see the pattern by looking at his account history.

Also I noticed he removed the images from T-Mobile that were in his OP
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from his OP, it appears that he wasn't then turning around and paying off the remaining balance. looks like he was using it as an interest free loan and paying it back over the monthly payments. So T-Mobile sees new phones activated on new accounts while the monthly payment is still being paid under a different account
 
blarivee said:
OMG, OP could so do this with Verizon's (or any carrier's) regular subsidized phone plans. Pay $199 up front and terminate next month and pay ETF. Sell close to retail and make profit. Repeat process.




OP is fortunate that T-Mobile did not decide to blacklist IMEI of all those resold phones. OP would then have to refund/absorb the losses.
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well by the time they caught on, they were already being used by existing customers. tick off multiple customers or ban the one reselling? lol

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shadow puppet said:
Oh you are good. Damn good. Most impressive and bravo!

One has to wonder why the OP would even post this thread considering he'd already posted all the above.
Stupid is as stupid does I guess. SMH.
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thanks! i knew it didn't sound right as soon as i started reading.

you'd be amazed what people do lol
 
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blarivee said:
OMG, OP could so do this with Verizon's (or any carrier's) regular subsidized phone plans. Pay $199 up front and terminate next month and pay ETF. Sell close to retail and make profit. Repeat process.




OP is fortunate that T-Mobile did not decide to blacklist IMEI of all those resold phones. OP would then have to refund/absorb the losses.
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With verizon you have to hold on to the phone for at least 14 days. And if you add everything up the amount you make after ETF may not be worth it. And since you go through a credit check for a new account how many times do you think verizon will let one do this?
 
I7guy said:
With verizon you have to hold on to the phone for at least 14 days. And if you add everything up the amount you make after ETF may not be worth it. And since you go through a credit check for a new account how many times do you think verizon will let one do this?
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True you are right about the multiple credit checks I forgot about that point. That's probably why he chose to do it at T-Mobile then. They only run your credit when you initially sign up for service but not for the EIP financing.
 
rmhop81 said:
The only people that caught you in the act were T-Mobile and now you're whining about it.

Now you're trying to justify what you did and "warn" others.

I have nothing to prove, i just know you're not being truthful.

Is virgin mobile you're next victim? http://www.technologytell.com/gadge...e-5c-now-360-via-virgin-mobile-iphone-5s-440/
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to be fair t-mobile claims the OP has been buying and selling their phones since april 2013...



not sure when this promotion you speak of took place but we are talking about a period going from april - december.
 
Troneas said:
no im not.


i read the letter he posted yesterday from t-mobile. he removed that letter now.

if you read my posts in this thread you'll realise i had my misgivings.
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hmm well didn't know that existed. wonder why he removed it ;)
 
I7guy said:
With verizon you have to hold on to the phone for at least 14 days. And if you add everything up the amount you make after ETF may not be worth it. And since you go through a credit check for a new account how many times do you think verizon will let one do this?
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Not if you have a family plan of two line and use the second line to churn the phones for profit (add/terminate second line). Of course at some point the internal system will flag the fraudulent activity. OP still needs cellular service so he'll be paying monthly service bills.
 
rockitdog said:
I'm a tech junkie and love trying out new things. I try any phone I can.
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I guess now that this ordeal is over, you don't really have to keep trying to do it. There's really only so many different phones and I think you must have tried them all by now. Sheesh. Most of the Android phones are essentially the same anyways, and if you've tried one iPhone you've kind of tried them all. Not much difference in them to be running in circles buying and selling them just to try them out. You could just stand in the store and play with them and find the differences in five minutes and save yourself all the hassle.

I'm no fan of the carriers rules, but you did agree to them. Ignorance of the rule/law is no excuse, as they say.
 
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