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from his OP, it appears that he wasn't then turning around and paying off the remaining balance. looks like he was using it as an interest free loan and paying it back over the monthly payments. So T-Mobile sees new phones activated on new accounts while the monthly payment is still being paid under a different account

T-Mobile is basically an interest free cash advance store, LOL.
 
Quite a dramatic thread title: "T-Mobile: What You Should Know". Duh, Duh, Duh, Duhhhhhh.

Quite a story too. :rolleyes:
 
Not if you have a family plan of two line and use the second line to churn the phones for profit (add/terminate second line). Of course at some point the internal system will flag the fraudulent activity. OP still needs cellular service so he'll be paying monthly service bills.

Right, how many times can you do this before your account is flagged, even if no credit check is run?
 
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

Sure I thought about it. Who hasn't thought about making money, did I do it, no. But I don't expect a no-it-all-Nole such as yourself to believe me.

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

Don't get your point here. I still don't think there's anything wrong with selling something at a higher price if you have something that you put the effort into buying (standing in line, etc.) if someone has to have something and simply can't wait to buy it at the regular price.

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/

I did come across a 5S that I bought off someone independent of T-Mobile and was trying to sell it, so what's you're point here tough guy???

There OP, I guess I did prove something.

Actually you proved nothing, other than you have nothing better to do than play internet vigilante and you like the flex those big web muscles you have and prove that you know to do an internet search...

Let's just leave here at, you caught me big guy! Way to go. You should be a detective because you cracked this case wide open! We're proud of your hard work!

Can someone get this guy a gold star sticker? He really killed it! :D

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We'll find out when the OP post's another "Verizon: What you should know", lol.

I'll let ya know ;)

No more trying out phones for me. Not worth it. Lesson learned!

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no im not.


i read the letter he posted yesterday from t-mobile. he removed that letter now.

if you read my posts in this thread you'll realise i had my misgivings.

I removed the letter because someone pointed out that my last name was still on it. Not because of anything anyone in here said. I told the truth, I honestly don't care if a bunch of internet tough guys believe me or not. I threw it out there for others to learn from. Take it or leave it, it didn't cost you a thing.
 
We'll find out when the OP post's another "Verizon: What you should know", lol.

You betcha. I'll be watching out for it. Better than Scooby-Doo on Netflix, this is!

Not sure if I'll read it bit-by-bit as it unfolds, or binge read the whole thing after the "unmasking". Decisions, decisions.
 
Actually you proved nothing, other than you have nothing better to do than play internet vigilante and you like the flex those big web muscles you have and prove that you know to do an internet search...

Let's just leave here at, you caught me big guy! Way to go. You should be a detective because you cracked this case wide open! We're proud of your hard work!

Can someone get this guy a gold star sticker? He really killed it! :D

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I'll let ya know ;)

No more trying out phones for me. Not worth it. Lesson learned!

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I removed the letter because someone pointed out that my last name was still on it. Not because of anything anyone in here said. I told the truth, I honestly don't care if a bunch of internet tough guys believe me or not. I threw it out there for others to learn from. Take it or leave it, it didn't cost you a thing.
nothing better to do? seems like you fit that bill by lying entirely in your OP to get people on the internet to feel sorry for you. took me no time at all to figure out what you were doing. you still won't own up to it even when there are posts proving you are lying.

hopefully going forward people won't waste time reading your threads when they know it's nothing but lies.
 
from his OP, it appears that he wasn't then turning around and paying off the remaining balance. looks like he was using it as an interest free loan and paying it back over the monthly payments. So T-Mobile sees new phones activated on new accounts while the monthly payment is still being paid under a different account

That is exactly what he was doing. This thread deserves to be sticked haha.
 
OMG, OP could so do this with Verizon's (or any carrier's) regular subsidized phone plans. Pay $199 up front and terminate next month and pay ETF. Sell close to retail and make profit. Repeat process.




OP is fortunate that T-Mobile did not decide to blacklist IMEI of all those resold phones. OP would then have to refund/absorb the losses.


Tmobile can't do that. He does not owe them anything so why would they.
 
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that t-mobile does.....

Lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "nib sealed".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/

there op, i guess i did prove something.

this is great lol dude got caught. Like i said, scammmmm artist.
 
Something just doesn't add up. TMO is BUYING customers by paying their ETF fees. Why would they care if you bought phones used them then sold them. Even if the turn around was a little fast. How in the world would they even KNOW it was your eBay listing anyway? How would they know to look at you and your account unless something was going on? The it begs the question…….WHY would they take the time and effort to write the letter and close your account?
They would potentially be losing 4 customers because of the extra lines on your account different people were using. Then to bar you from enter ingANY TMO store? That is pretty harsh….it also begs the question WHY? They can close your account for abuses they deem worthy of closure but baring you from TMO stores?
They are putting a lot of effort into getting rid of you. I still don't see a valid reason to go to all that trouble for re selling a couple of phones…...

It costs Tmobile money to sell phones, inventory, accounting, labor, shipping etc. They don't make any money on the phone just the service. The costs per phone are figured in per line, costs of 5 phones or whatever, they lose money. Why should they support his phone hobby? Also buying the same phone over and over was a red flag. They probably assumed that the new line users would engage in the same behavior, true or not.
 
I think you've gotten enough so I'm not going to pile on anymore. I don't really get why you needed to get what looks like a new phone every month, but okay fine. What I really don't understand why you didn't simply buy the phones outright. That would have avoided this whole mess you got in. As you got a new one and sold the "old" one, it would have cost you only a little bit. I imagine you're paying quite a bit more per month now to be on Verizon vs T-mobile.
 
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I think you've gotten enough so I'm not going to pile on anymore. But I don't understand why you didn't simply buy the phones outright. That would have avoided this whole mess you got in. As you got a new one and sold the "old" one, it would have cost you only a little bit. I imagine you're paying quite a bit more per month now to be on Verizon vs T-mobile.

Bro, what others say doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not worried about what a bunch of nobodies think of me. But I as I stated before, T-Mobile said they make no distinction between phones being purchased outright and phones put on the installment plan. According to them it doesn't matter. Either way they don't allow their devices to be sold to third-party buyers.
 
it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were doing and i don't even have the means that T-Mobile does.....

lying about making a profit.....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17917877/

hey it's not unethical!
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17918352/

lying about "using" the devices as this is "NIB SEALED".....
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18226914/

There OP, I guess I did prove something.

Incredible. So this kid was pretty much using T-Mobile to give himself some 0% interest advanced loan and got upset because they caught onto him. I've heard plenty of stories of people abusing and defrauding carriers but this takes the cake.

Pay $0 down, sell for $700-850, pay it back little by little $25 per month for 24 months. Rinse and repeat hahaha. I wish I could've seen the looks on the faces of the guys working in the T-Mobile fraud department when they saw this on his account.

I see that he's on Verizon now. Try that over here and I'm sure they will find out and kick you off as well. They've been selling iPhones for a while now so they know most of the schemes whereas T-Mobile was new to this.

OP you should probably be looking for a higher paying job if you need to resort to defrauding a cellular carrier in order to get some quick upfront cash.
 
Bro, what others say doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not worried about what a bunch of nobodies think of me. But I as I stated before, T-Mobile said they make no distinction between phones being purchased outright and phones put on the installment plan. According to them it doesn't matter. Either way they don't allow their devices to be sold to third-party buyers.
That may be technically true, but they are well aware that people can use their deals to profit from it if they don't stop it. You have to see it from their point of view. They don't know with certainty whether you're guilty or innocent of trying to profit from their deal, but how many customers would buy and sell 5 (or more?) phones in rapid succession for no other reason than to just try them out? If I was working for T-mobile and was seeing your account, I would be suspicious as well. You did it enough times that they decided it would be better to lose you as a customer than risk that you are possibly using them as a wholesaler for your own business. Or worse, you are conducting illicit business and need to frequently swap cell phones.
 
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