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Touche!

Like I say, I feel drity giving them my money. But I gave the worthless competitors as year to come up with a better tablet and they failed.

So I gave in and got an iPad 2. Hopefully when I'm ready to upgrade in a couple years I can move on--I won't be buying many paid apps as I don't want to feel tied to the iOS.

Forum wise, I just joined for the shipping tracking thread and I'm sticking around for a bit as I figure out my new gadget etc. But I won't be a regular for sure in the long run. But fan forums can use some critics to break up the fanboy circle jerk every once in a while! :D

Fair enough. :cool:
 
Its funny how apples success with the ipad2 will actually move more people to the competition. The hassle of finding an ipad2 to buy makes it likely many will say, well what else is there, I can't even find an ipad2.
 
Its funny how apples success with the ipad2 will actually move more people to the competition. The hassle of finding an ipad2 to buy makes it likely many will say, well what else is there, I can't even find an ipad2.

How so? I don't see the success with the iPhone has moved people to the competition.
 
What surprises me in the turnaround Samsung was able to pull. The iPad2 was unveiled less than a month ago, Samsung said "OH POOP" redesigned their tablet, and is already showing it off. Now they are ready to release it to the public (assuming no delays) in less than 3 months. Impressive.

This summer is going to be crazy. Tab, TouchPad, Playbook, and iOS5. Battle for the ages.
 
finally something almost equal of ipad 2. took them that long huh? sad.


however, apple had the whole time of attention to the ipad, so it will be interesting when the samsung release and see how it fare against the ipad
 
yeah sweet! those specs are awesome. can't wait to plug it in to STunes and rent some movies, buy some SBooks, sync it to SCal and SPhoto. And of course if I have any problems with it, I can just take it to the SBar and get fixed right up.

^^^Quote of the day by far...

It's Apple's ecosystem that makes up much of the allure of Apple products. Their beautiful hardware is just the icing on the cake.

Samsung will make the hardware. Google will make the software. There's no single, streamlined place to get content on the device like iTunes. It's just a mess. Plus there's zero consistency with release timing of these new Android devices. Seems like some hardware maker has a new device every 3 weeks. Gross.
 
Its about time Tech blogs adopted some standards of journalism.

You cannot have a "hands on" review of a device that doesn't turn on. Its not a product - its a piece of sculpture. Any more than car magazines can't do "test drives" of vehicles that are still clay models.

To be fair, plenty of car manufacturers have done test drives of chassis mules wearing old sheet metal (essentially what that old 10.1 is functioning as) while finalizing a car's design. There's no reason to assume that the hardware in the old, slightly thicker 10.1 can't be engineered to fit into the slimmer enclosure.
 
I love Apple's hardware but the iPad's software is too limiting. The iPad has so much potential that we will never see!

Only in a geek forum to people value using the OS more the apps that run on it. The iPad has apps. Honeycomb doesn't. Yet, anyway. We can revisit when they do.
 
How do you not think that apple is feeling the heat? Didn't they make specific mention of 'copycats' at their last ipad event?

Unless you're using the phrase "feeling the heat" differently than usual, I wouldn't say they're in that position. Tell us how you think Apple is in an uncomfortable or difficult position at present?

Hardware is one piece of the entire ecosystem pie; competitors have a lot of other ground to cover to even catch up to where Apple is today.

That doesn't mean Apple doesn't need to keep their efforts strong and continue to advance quickly; it certainly doesn't mean they shouldn't pay close attention to what the others are doing, but they also aren't in a particularly difficult position. Their biggest problem is that more people want to buy their tablet than they can supply!
 
I can't let these release change my mind to keep my iPad 2. I can't let it..
 
Only in a geek forum to people value using the OS more the apps that run on it. The iPad has apps. Honeycomb doesn't. Yet, anyway. We can revisit when they do.

Yep. That's why I gave in. It has the apps now, so I'll deal with the OS I hate, lack of a file system and USB port etc. to have a tablet to use for personal use for a year or two.

But I'll definitely revisit when come competitors catch up and hopefully put out a tablet that better fits my needs for being personal use AND work tablet while coming close in form factor, battery life etc.
 
Android isn't about single devices, iOS is. It's folly to compare them on that metric. The whole point of Android is diversity of devices, that's not something to hold against it.

Then you must also admit that there are hordes of masses that were sold an Android but still have no idea that they can even buy apps or where to get them because of the poor marketing of apps for Android?

I've never met an iPhone owner that doesn't know about the one and only App store. It's easy to find Android owners that don't even know about apps, or if they do, where to get them.
 
i cant believe they got it thinner than the ipad 2. wow.

the touchpad is the same as ipad 1, wonder whether hp will put it on a diet before release.
 
I hate how they strong arm developers and content providers. There is NO reason they should be forcing in-app purchasing and taking 30% of e-book sales subscriptions etc. It's fine taking a cut of app sales themselves as they provide the store front. But the in app content isn't theres and they should not be getting a cut of things like e-book sales etc. If they don't want competition for the crappy iBooks store, then just don't allow other e-book apps instead of doing this BS policy. It's going to hurt consumers if major apps like Kindle or Netflix get pulled over it, or if the apps get watered down or moved to web based and require internet connections etc.

Doesn't Android do the same thing but at 10% instead of 30%? So is the policy in general wrong or the 30%?
 
How so? I don't see the success with the iPhone has moved people to the competition.

Well, how many places can you walk in today and buy an ipad2 of your choice?
Want an iPhone? There's one on every corner walmart, ATT, apple, store etc.
 
Thinner than the iPad 2, probably about the same memory, about the same processor, slightly larger screen, and starting at $30 cheaper than the iPad 2.

Overall, this statement is false. It's true that Samsung is offering a tablet that (they say) will be thinner than the iPad2, and that there is a model with a larger screen, and with the same memory, and one that starts $30 cheaper...but there is not one device that meets those criteria. You are combining the features of multiple devices to compare against a single device.

It's a bit like the Android phone argument: "Android offers X type of display at size Y with a gigabyte of memory and a dual-core processor and it makes breakfast for you". Just two problems. First, you have to pick ONE device that gives you what you want, and no one android device comes close to all those things. Second, after you buy it, you have to run android OS on it. :(
 
Well, how many places can you walk in today and buy an ipad2 of your choice?
Want an iPhone? There's one on every corner walmart, ATT, apple, store etc.

How many places could you walk in right after launch of the iPhone and purchase it?

Few months after launch of the iPad you should be able to walk into Walmart, Apple, Target and purchase one.
 
Yep. That's why I gave in. It has the apps now, so I'll deal with the OS I hate, lack of a file system and USB port etc. to have a tablet to use for personal use for a year or two.

But I'll definitely revisit when come competitors catch up and hopefully put out a tablet that better fits my needs for being personal use AND work tablet while coming close in form factor, battery life etc.

Have fun chasing that unicorn! What you're looking for is a laptop in the form-factor of a tablet. The problem with that is the majority of tablet makers (Apple, Samsung, Acer, etc.) also make laptops. These manufacturers won't cannabilize their laptop business by making tablets that perform the same functions. Tablets will gain the full functionality of laptops only after laptops go the way of the dinosaur. This will happen eventually, but it won't be in the next year or two.
 
They don't even TURN ON and you call this competition. Did I mention they DON'T TURN ON? :eek:

All the while I have an iPad 2 along with about a million or so other people and they are FUNCTIONAL today with 65,000 apps and growing.

If this is the competition, wave the checkered flag cause the race is already over and Apple won. Heck they are the only ones that qualified to race. The rest DNQ.
 
I hate their walled garden approach. I want to customize my devices, put whatever apps I want on it, have a user accessible file and folder system with drag and drop via usb. I find their simplified approach counter intuitive and limiting as a life long PC user.
So let me get this straight, you hate the walled garden, so you're going to buy a device where you can't upgrade the software unless the hardware vendor tells you so? Imagine if Acer wouldn't let you upgrade Windows Vista on your PC to Windows 7.
I hate how they strong arm developers and content providers.
Yeah, Steve Jobs convincing the record labels to let Apple drop DRM from music really sucks. :rolleyes:
There is NO reason they should be forcing in-app purchasing and taking 30% of e-book sales subscriptions etc. It's fine taking a cut of app sales themselves as they provide the store front. But the in app content isn't theres and they should not be getting a cut of things like e-book sales etc. If they don't want competition for the crappy iBooks store, then just don't allow other e-book apps instead of doing this BS policy. It's going to hurt consumers if major apps like Kindle or Netflix get pulled over it, or if the apps get watered down or moved to web based and require internet connections etc.
Yeah, cause Kindle already contributed money to Apple's marketing and building the iOS ecosystem. Oh wait, not they didn't. Apple spent time, money, and effort to create a platform with millions of captive customers, and Kindle put a free app on the App store, and used that to market to their customers.

If I were Target, I'd set up a booth on Walmart's parking lot and sell stuff cheaper than Walmart does. I'm sure Walmart wouldn't have a problem with that. It's not like I'm stopping their customers from getting in the store.

OK, seriously, I can see your point on books, but I don't think that Apple is doing it just because they're mad iBooks isn't doing so well. They're doing it for a real reason - that is Apple is the one making the devices people want to buy, marketing the app store, implementing these "harsh" rules to result in a better experience for the customer (something rare in the corporate world), and they feel they deserve a cut of sales from those that are monetarily benefiting from Apple's work.
I hate the hipster cult around the company and the way people are so damn loyal to them. It's lame as hell to be loyal to ANY corporation as they all care about nothing but getting as much of your money as possible.
You realize how ridiculously hypocritical that is. You are refusing to buy a product from Apple for the exact same reason that you accuse people of buying from Apple.

In both cases, you are letting marketing and image decide for you, rather than your own brain. How about thinking for yourself, and evaluating your needs, and buying a product based on that. If you think for yourself and decide an iPad is not for you, then fine, but to say it's because of image is completely shallow.
I hate the Apple tax. The iPad is the first hardware they've made that's not way overpriced, but they make up for it with absurdly priced accessories.
Well, I disagree on this being the first - that's ridiculous. Apple just doesn't make bargain basement models. But that's another debate. Apple prices their accessories in line with other vendors. They're a way for vendors to get profits as they don't get get much profits from iPads, Macs, or iPods. 6 foot USB cables can be purchase for 68 cents in bulk, but I challenge you to find one that cheap at Best Buy. Don't think "overpriced" accessories are unique to Apple.
I like the iPad, but I feel a bit "dirty" giving in and supporting Apple.
Stop being a slave to image and market trends then. Show some self-confidence and be proud that you bought a product based on real needs, rather than just not wanting to be seen with the "hipster" crowd.
 
Doesn't Android do the same thing but at 10% instead of 30%? So is the policy in general wrong or the 30%?

The policy is wrong. I don't like it on Android either.

The difference is that, at least thus far, Android hasn't banned the workaround the Kindle app uses by just having purchases go to the web browser rather than to be in-app.

But yes, the policy is wrong and I'd love to see the Feds strike it down eventually as a hardware maker should have no entitlement to content sold through software on their platforms.

Buying something through an app should be no different than buying through a web browser.

If they want to take a percentage of actual app sales through the App store they run, I can buy that. But they should allow users to buy and load apps from everywhere.

A tablet is really no different than a PC or Mac. I can buy software from anywhere to install on my PC without MS getting a piece of the cut for software they didn't develop. Why should iOS or Android platforms be any different?

Have fun chasing that unicorn! What you're looking for is a laptop in the form-factor of a tablet. The problem with that is the majority of tablet makers (Apple, Samsung, Acer, etc.) also make laptops. These manufacturers won't cannabilize their laptop business by making tablets that perform the same functions. Tablets will gain the full functionality of laptops only after laptops go the way of the dinosaur. This will happen eventually, but it won't be in the next year or two.

I don't need a full laptop function in a tablet.

I'd be fine with a more limited OS as long as I have MS office--or apps 100% compatible with Word and Powerpoint (don't screw up formatting in complex docs with lots of tables, figures, equations etc. when going back and forth) and a USB port with drag and drop so I an work on my presentations in the hotel room on my tablet and put them on a thumb drive to load on the PC in the conference room to give my talks.

Just simple stuff like that is all I need. Not a full on PC os necessarily.

Plus, if it was a tablet that was pretty much a full OS, it would probably cost just as much if not more than a similar spec'd laptop. So I don't see why companies would care about cannibalizing their laptop business if they were making similar money from the tablet.
 
So let me get this straight, you hate the walled garden, so you're going to buy a device where you can't upgrade the software unless the hardware vendor tells you so? Imagine if Acer wouldn't let you upgrade Windows Vista on your PC to Windows 7.

I've never upgraded an OS. I care about software, not OS. All windows os from 95 on have been pretty much the same to me anyway. Drag and drop file system, start menu etc.

I just want to load whatever software I want, have a simple drag and drop file system I can manipulate myself and just be able to plug in and drag and drop and not have to use crap like iTunes and Drop box etc. And have no way to get say a powerpoint from my tablet to my thumb drive while at a conference which makes the iPad useless for my business trips since I still have to have a laptop and there's no sense in bringing both.

Yeah, Steve Jobs convincing the record labels to let Apple drop DRM from music really sucks. :rolleyes:

BS. iTunes was one of the last big MP3 stores to drop DRM. They only did so as they were starting to lose business to Amazon and other places that dropped DRM first.

Yeah, cause Kindle already contributed money to Apple's marketing and building the iOS ecosystem. Oh wait, not they didn't. Apple spent time, money, and effort to create a platform with millions of captive customers, and Kindle put a free app on the App store, and used that to market to their customers.

Then they can ban the Kindle app if they don't want that kind of competition. Don't try to take a portion of their e-book sales that they have nothing to do with. That's the same to me as wanting a portion of sales of online purchases made through the web browser.

Right now the one advantage the iPad has as an e-reader is having multiple e-book stores and apps all on one device (iBooks, Kindle, Nook, Kobo etc.). Apple should be happy about that, not trying to drive the apps away.

Otherwise, the iPad isn't a good ereader for novels IMO. LCD screen is hard on the eyes compared to e-ink, it's too big and heavy to hold and read for hours, the battery life stinks compared to the e-ink devices etc.

They're doing it for a real reason - that is Apple is the one making the devices people want to buy, marketing the app store, implementing these "harsh" rules to result in a better experience for the customer (something rare in the corporate world), and they feel they deserve a cut of sales from those that are monetarily benefiting from Apple's work.

Just BS. They don't get a cut of sales from software on the MAC that other companies use to make money. Nor does MS on the PC platform.

Why should the iOS or Android platforms be any different than the Mac and PC platforms? Hardware companies make money by selling hardware. Software companies make money by selling software and content providers make money by selling content. No reason the hardware companies in any case should get money from the other two. They should cater to those companies as the more software and content you have, the more people will buy your hardware.

In both cases, you are letting marketing and image decide for you, rather than your own brain. How about thinking for yourself, and evaluating your needs, and buying a product based on that. If you think for yourself and decide an iPad is not for you, then fine, but to say it's because of image is completely shallow.

It is shallow. But it's not do to marketing in image. It's due to being annoyed to death by apple fans I know, hating the Apple store crowd, hating the legions of Apple loyalists online.

I just hate buying in and being a part of that. It's shallow but I feel hypocritical buying a device from a company I've actively disliked for years. But I was tired of waiting for a decent tablet from a competitor so I gave in.

Well, I disagree on this being the first - that's ridiculous. Apple just doesn't make bargain basement models. But that's another debate.

That's definitely a big part of the problem. I don't need top of the line specs, don't compare about design when it comes to laptops, desktops etc. So the lack of cheaper options keeps me away from Apple. The only thing I ever bought from them before was a 5th gen iPod Nano, and I've kind of regretted that purchase due to the price and battery life not being great compared to some others I used etc.

Apple prices their accessories in line with other vendors.

All official accessories are overpriced, you're right on that, Apple is just worse on that front in my experience with $30 adapter cables, the overpriced wall charger that doesn't come packed in with iPods, the $40/70 smart covers etc.

Show some self-confidence and be proud that you bought a product based on real needs, rather than just not wanting to be seen with the "hipster" crowd.

The problem is the device doesn't fit my real needs. It just comes the closest of any of the tablets currently out. I'll begrudgingly use it for a year or two until something that better fits my needs comes out.
 
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Successful competitors are needed in the tablet space, in order to keep the Jobs hubris in check.
 
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