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Er..No - Some people buy an android phone because they want it. Lots of people get them because they are very cheap. You can get a ZTE Kis for £40!! Adults get kids androids because they are cheap.

And dominates is interesting - it's not like it's 90%-10% or anything

Apple's 39% of smart phone sales is not bad considering they technically sell 1 phone. ALL Androids hit 51% (Rest Windows / blackberry) but given their are about 200 awful ones and 3/4 good ones. That makes sense. I bet only 25% are the decent expensive Phones Like the HTC one... Given Samsungs Crashing share

As for Features. Thats entirely up to you but I think the last Update of Android was completely empty of new feature. I see no innovation at all in the last couple of release in fact apart from google now... which works on iOS anyway.

Windows. UI... I just spit my coffee out when I read that. Everyone I know that got suckered into buying one hate it... mostly because of the UI but mainly because nothing works on it. Phones are release and then not updated and then nothing runs. Same with 90% of Droids. Even then there is a massive delay.

I have nothing against Android at all. Competition drives things massively, but then main reason I won't buy one is it's apparent best feature - It's completely open... and you need a freaking Antivirus on it... on...a... phone.

Double facepalm. You don't need an antivirus on android phone. What you do need is common sense. Read this reply is hilarious. So much nonsense condensed in one post.

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If they're handed down generation after generation, how does the watch company make money?

service, repairs, maintanence, new models

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You realise 75% of those Androids are very very low end Phones <$150 right Most of those don't have bluetooth 4 and as such not compatible with most smartwatches...

The apple watch will sell massively Given there are 400 million iPhones in use... And the Market forecasts are all over the place but Forbes lowest Estimate was that 10% would buy an apple watch in the first year... that's about $16billion!!!

All of the Rest of the smartwatches sold 3 million oct2013-may2014 ( 0.3 million in 2012 )

Math problems?
 
'Perpetual' has nothing to do with self-winding, perpetual refers to the calendar mechanism. On a simple mechanical watch, you have to manual adjust for the different number of days in the month, the better-onces do this automatically, but still need manual adjustment for the 29th February every four years, the best can even handle this. The story about the automatic winding system can be found on the website of Breitling:

Quote: "In 1969, the brand took on one of the greatest 20th century watchmaking challenges by presenting the first selfwinding chronograph movement. In 1984, Breitling heralded the rebirth of the mechanical chronograph by launching the famous Chronomat, which has since become its leading model."

Btw: 'chronograph' has nothing to do with a 'stop-watch'.


History lesson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_watch
 
400m sold does not mean 400m currently in use.

Agreed. Since 2007, many many many more than 400m have been sold. Did you miss the fact that I was ONLY counting ones sold since roughly 2 years ago, and thus... likely still in use?
 
Any watch with any electronic element inside ages within 1 year. Value of technology decreases over time, value of hand-crafting increases over time.

It's true in every single sector, from buildings to cars to watches.

Tag Heuer and the many likes are not even remotely in the same category of Apple Smartwatch or Samsung or whoever, you don't buy a Tag Heuer because of its features, while you buy the Apple watch precisely for its features, and that only.
 
I received my grandfathers gold watch with jeweled movement upon his passing. This watch is over 50 years old, looks beautiful and works fantastic. Hence the term "timeless."

How many here, who do purchase an Apple Watch, are doing so knowing there is little to no chance that the thing will have any usefullness past five years. The Apple Watch is not a timepiece for life. It is a "flash fashion" accessory. Just like H&M, you will wear it today and throw it out tomorrow.

But what's wrong with that? Fashion by definition is temporal. Most people don't buy luxury goods to pass them down for generations. Some people use that to rationalize their purchase because paying enormous sums of money for jewelry (or any luxury product that isn't considered an investment) is an irrational decision in the first place. Hence, the term, "luxury".

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Any watch with any electronic element inside ages within 1 year. Value of technology decreases over time, value of hand-crafting increases over time.

It's true in every single sector, from buildings to cars to watches.

Tag Heuer and the many likes are not even remotely in the same category of Apple Smartwatch or Samsung or whoever, you don't buy a Tag Heuer because of its features, while you buy the Apple watch precisely for its features, and that only.

It has nothing to do with electronic vs hand crafted. If so, how do you explain the Apple I computer selling for almost a million dollars? Or classic cars built on assembly lines that go for 6 figures? It's all about perceived value often driven by supply and demand.
 
Value of technology decreases over time, value of hand-crafting increases over time.

It's true in every single sector, from buildings to cars to watches.

Tag Heuer and the many likes are not even remotely in the same category of Apple Smartwatch...

Don't be so sure.

I had a 1970's Tag Heuer Chronograph that was pure junk. The lugs broke and the movement was never especially good. That watch didn't even make it to my junk drawer, let alone increasing in value over time.
 
...No that was not my point. Apple is emphasizing fashion AND function because that always wins...

Oops - - I was missing the negative in my post - - I meant to say:

Apple isn't emphasizing fashion for nothing.

They will have the functionality of a smartwatch and the fashion options of a jewellery watch.
 
They aren't going for Tag and Breitling's top models and non of the Rolex models, ...

Rolex also makes Tudor branded mid-range watch models. Those are not usually high on watch aficionado's lists, so can get eaten by new entries attacking this profitable but not collectable Swiss watch segment.

Not all profitable Swiss watches are high-end or heirloom products.
 
Whatever they come up with I am sure it will be an improvement on the Apple watch. It may not have the functionality of a mini computer, but it's sure to look much more attractive than the hideous Apple design.
 
I know people debate the Rolex comment but let's talk about Apple. In what scenario do you see apple selling a pretty bracelet that does some other less important stuff? Based off their intro at WWDC they are selling a tech piece that also happens to be sexy as hell. I don't see that changing.

That's fine. But it'll never be in the "luxury" category. It's a tech gadget. Nothing wrong with that. It'll sell millions too!
 
I know people debate the Rolex comment but let's talk about Apple. In what scenario do you see apple selling a pretty bracelet that does some other less important stuff? Based off their intro at WWDC they are selling a tech piece that also happens to be sexy as hell. I don't see that changing.

Sexy as hell? Not IMHO. I'm buying for its functionality but I'm not all that fond of the design. I won't be embarrassed to wear it like the Pebble, but I won't be proud to wear it like my real watches either.

That's fine. But it'll never be in the "luxury" category. It's a tech gadget. Nothing wrong with that. It'll sell millions too!

"Fine time piece" might be a better word than "luxury." I'd say a multiple thousand $ disposable Apple Watch is a luxury item by anyone's definition, and it's really more a luxury item than a fine watch because fine watches typically retain value and utility. I don't expect a used gen 1 Apple Watch to be worth much more than the gold it's plated with in 4 years because it will be obsolete.
 
Sexy as hell? Not IMHO. I'm buying for its functionality but I'm not all that fond of the design. I won't be embarrassed to wear it like the Pebble, but I won't be proud to wear it like my real watches either.



"Fine time piece" might be a better word than "luxury." I'd say a multiple thousand $ disposable Apple Watch is a luxury item by anyone's definition, and it's really more a luxury item than a fine watch because fine watches typically retain value and utility. I don't expect a used gen 1 Apple Watch to be worth much more than the gold it's plated with in 4 years because it will be obsolete.

I have to say that the Apple Watch is the first Apple product I am totally looking forward to with zero plan to buy. I don't think it looks ugly but it isn't my favourite looking watch. Could be worse!

But do you think the gold watch will be plated? The impression I got from the Apple website is it will be solid 18K gold.

The Edition collection features six uniquely elegant expressions of Apple Watch. Each has a watch case crafted from 18-karat gold that our metallurgists have developed to be up to twice as hard as standard gold.
http://www.apple.com/watch/apple-watch-edition/

Tough to say until ifixit rips it apart.
 
In what scenario do you see apple selling a pretty bracelet that does some other less important stuff? Based off their intro at WWDC they are selling a tech piece that also happens to be sexy as hell. I don't see that changing.

They've already done the whole Paris fashion week thing and the Chinese Vogue piece - - I expect them to continue with this trend and amplify it throughout next year.
 
OK, 3 year then... And they won't be bankrupt, but they might as well be...

I'm not foolish at all. Quartz coming is not the same as this. Even Tag doesn't believe that, but you do!

Your comment are as baseless as mine except you assert them with seemingly infinite conviction and yes arrogance. I'm waiting for you to come back and leave me a message in 3 years saying how wrong you were.[COLOR]

Arrogant? Says the person that wants to gloat in people's faces 3 years from now?

I work in the TRUE high end luxury watch segment and let me tell you - no one is talking about smart watches or the Apple Watch around here.

Those watches don't even come close to the value, quality, and history of the watches that I work on. Not even close and we know it.

Yes, we agree there's a market for it and people will buy it. You act as if only one type of watch can exist. It's Apple Watch or nothing with people like you. Smart watches will compete with entry level "luxury" watches if I can even consider Tag, Movado, Tissot, etc. that.

But those in the true upper echelon of watches are not worrying one bit.

Another note - why do you think Tag Heuer is the brand out of all the other Swatch owned brands entering the smart watch arena? Because it's the same market that Apple Watch is entering.

You know the high end swiss watchmakers will start worrying when Omega, Glashutte, Piguet, Rolex, Audemars, Panerai, and Patek start jumping on the smart watch bandwagon.

Believe me, Tag Heuer is not high end Swiss luxury and does not represent the Swiss luxury watchmakers.
 
Agreed. Since 2007, many many many more than 400m have been sold. Did you miss the fact that I was ONLY counting ones sold since roughly 2 years ago, and thus... likely still in use?

They're selling 80M from mid september to the end of the year... That should tell you something about how many will be in circulation in March 2015.
 
Following Apple's Watch announcement, LVMH watch chief and TAG Heuer interim chief executive Jean-Claude Biver dismissed the smart watch, saying it was "too feminine" and looked like "it was designed by a student in their first trimester." He added that smartwatches such as the Apple Watch will soon be outdated, while "luxury always has something timeless."

Inserts foot in mouth. I'm surprise these idiot CEOs don't realize what they are saying in the first place knowing this stuff will pop up to haunt them no matter how long ago it was said.
 
About 120M Iphone 6 will have been sold by March 1 + 200M 5s since launch. That's 18 months worth of phone. The rest, to september 2015 gets you to 400M easy.

Do you understand English? "Sold" does not equate to "currently in use". Phones get broken, damaged, lost, stolen/bricked, etc. Try and find an iPhone 4 without a broken screen. What you going to do when you upgrade - answer is probably throw it in the bin.

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Agreed. Since 2007, many many many more than 400m have been sold. Did you miss the fact that I was ONLY counting ones sold since roughly 2 years ago, and thus... likely still in use?

Once again you're making the figures up as you go along which was my point. What is your source for the figures you quote? Show me a link to the exact number of iPhones sold since launch.
 
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