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Taiwanese Industry Sources: Next-Generation iPhone Manufacturing Deal, USB 3.0, iPad Suppliers
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To take advantage of either 3.0 or LightPeak, whichever is implemented in the new iPhone, wouldn't the computer itself have to have that component?
You realize that there is a huge ugly plastic strip at the top of the iPad with 3G, right? A strip that would take up about a third of the back of an iPhone?
I'm more than happy to explain the physics to you, if you'll just let me know how far you've gotten in the basic sciences so I know where to start.
Steve usually says nothing at all, and the PR department usually says, "Apple doesn't comment on unreleased products."
Knowing that the rumor mill whips itself into a frenzy of over-expectation based on nothing, for Steve to say anything is to give Red Bull to an hyperactive kid.
To start things off: The next iPhone will NOT have a touch-screen at all but project a 3D image directly onto you retinas via lasers. You will interact with what you see by making broad gestures in the air around you while apparently mumbling to yourself.
Yes indeed.
It is implausible that Apple is sampling USB 3.0 parts for the iPad. The hardware for the iPad has probably alreadh been determined and I wouldn't been surprised if iPads were rolling off the manufacturing line right now as Apple ramps for their launch.
The USB 3.0 sample parts are probably for the design cycle for Macs first (not iPhone, iPods, iPads). Presumably, we might see USB 3.0 in the consumer devices, but it is likely that the entire Mac product line would need to be upgraded first with the new interface.
Yes, people are over analyzing this remark.Honestly, I think people are over analyzing this A+ remark. What do you expect him to say? The next iPhone update is going to be a mediocre/average update?
First of all, most people are ignoring the fact that A.) it was internal communications, and B.) he's frankly saying nothing.
It's a nice little motivational pep rally comment, nothing more.
Usb 3?
For the love of god, give me faster FireWire and LightPeak..
Or, at the very least, give me back the ExpressCard Slot on the 15" MBP... Then I can add what I damn well please.. I'm hanging on to my 2.4GHz MBP to keep using current cards, and may add the ATI DisplayPort breakout box shown at CES..
I really don't care if Intel promises USB 3 will be 100 times faster, and make me more attractive to the ladies, I'll never depend solely on USB for data.
Every USB (1 or 2) hard drive I've ever used was slower than molasses in Minnesota in January.. or decided to stop a file copy in the middle.. I have 5 year old FW400 adaptors and drives that are consistently faster and more reliable.. also have newer quad adaptors (FW400, FW800, eSATA, USB) and drives that are much much faster, well except on the USB connection, lol.
May USB die a quick, yet still painful, death.
For the love of god, give me faster FireWire and LightPeak..
Or, at the very least, give me back the ExpressCard Slot on the 15" MBP... Then I can add what I damn well please.. I'm hanging on to my 2.4GHz MBP to keep using current cards, and may add the ATI DisplayPort breakout box shown at CES..
I really don't care if Intel promises USB 3 will be 100 times faster, and make me more attractive to the ladies, I'll never depend solely on USB for data.
Every USB (1 or 2) hard drive I've ever used was slower than molasses in Minnesota in January.. or decided to stop a file copy in the middle.. I have 5 year old FW400 adaptors and drives that are consistently faster and more reliable.. also have newer quad adaptors (FW400, FW800, eSATA, USB) and drives that are much much faster, well except on the USB connection, lol.
May USB die a quick, yet still painful, death.
The case of the next-gen iPhone will be constructed completely out of carbon nano-tubes, so you can drop it while seated in the top row of an arena and it will safely bounce and clatter to the playing field without cracking or marring.
Do you have an attention-deficit disorder? This is an iPhone thread?
I've been waiting for USB 3.0 for a long time. 2.0 is far outdated for today's speed needs. Storage devices and computer accessories (iPods, iPhones, color printers, digital cameras, video cameras, etc) have exploded in the amount of storage they hold as well as the typical file size (10MP camera today vs. 3MP of 2001; HD video footage; vast amounts of MP3s or even WAV/lossless files; simple backup of your computer is gonna be 30GB+) have grown incredibly. Using USB 2.0 for today's needs is time consuming...such as waiting hours to copy 120GB of MP3 files from my internal SATA drive to an external USB that is powered by a wall outlet.
10x the speed is theoretical, and likely real world max speeds will hit 8x while continuous throughput might hold at 5x. I'd be happy with 3x in sustained speed but will take anything faster if that's their promise.
Unfortunately it still seems a few years away for mass adoption of USB 3.0 (operating systems, computers themselves, devices all have to be in check)...and then years after that before mass consumer adoption (meaning, if I bought a new computer in 2011 and it didn't have USB 3.0, I'm going to have to go buy a new computer (unless I want to add some kind of peripheral myself)...and I'm not going to buy a new $500-$2000 computer right away just for USB 3.0).
-Eric
10x the speed is theoretical, and likely real world max speeds will hit 8x while continuous throughput might hold at 5x. I'd be happy with 3x in sustained speed but will take anything faster if that's their promise.
Unfortunately it still seems a few years away for mass adoption of USB 3.0 (operating systems, computers themselves, devices all have to be in check)...and then years after that before mass consumer adoption (meaning, if I bought a new computer in 2011 and it didn't have USB 3.0, I'm going to have to go buy a new computer (unless I want to add some kind of peripheral myself)...and I'm not going to buy a new $500-$2000 computer right away just for USB 3.0).
-Eric
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Yeah, that's why we live in a Firewire world where 90% of the external devices for PCs and Macs are Firewire...and have been for 10+ years.
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eSATA is nice, but does not offer the portability advantages of USB (such as hot swappable).
USB will be with us for decades to come. FW and eSATA will have their place in niche use-cases. Consumers will likely still be able to find mass-storage devices that ship with USB, FW, and eSATA ports...but the one-offs that only have FW or eSATA will be niche markets.
Yep that's pretty much what I want, but unfortunately it will need an ugly plastic butt for the 3G antenna, just like the iPad.
iPhone, USB 3.0, and iPad Suppliers are the thread topics.
Sometimes it is difficult to keep on track of conversation when one thread has multiple stories/topics attached to it. Oh well.
Here's for Light Pipe.
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Not true. Steve has on several times stays something to the effect of 'Apple has great/brilliant/adjective-dujour-inserted-here products in the pipeline'.
Saying that Apple is working on quality new stuff on a broad front doesn't really expose anything that people cannot reasonably infer. It isn't like he is going to get up and say " We're working on some average, mediocre stuff for this year". And to say not working on anything at all is lie.
Likewise nobody asks the Apple PR dept questions like "Are you working on new, improved Macs? " . If you did, they would probably would say 'Yes'. What people go to the PR dept with are questions like "Are you working on new MacBook with the new banana jr. 2010 processor and a twizzle strip on the side? " . For those more specific, directed questions you get the standard we don't comment on specific future products.
The Linux kernel got USB 3.0 device drives around LAST May. (http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010011902435NWNTSD Folded into general release in September 2009. ) Approaching a year ago. Any OS developer who doesn't have USB 3.0 support in late stages of development now has been hiding under a rock. About a year ago the other chipset vendors pressed Intel to slow roll the USB 3.0 rollout so that alternative USB 3.0 implementation could be available at the roll out ( i.e., so Intel wouldn't have a inherent upper hand and everyone would have to buy the canonical implementation off of them.)
If Apple with a billions in resources availabe can't match the Linux dev team after almost a WHOLE YEAR. That is a beyond sad. That's embarrassing.
There is zero reason for most mainstream computers in 2011 not to have USB 3.0 on it (unless it is the $299-399 special ; which typically are primarily just selling you 2-3 year old technology. ) You are correct in that in the common case the currently owned computers will have to be 'retired' for USB 3.0 to be ubiquitous.
If it is a standard motherboard option there will be mass adoption. The issue perhaps is where the mass adoption becomes a dominate percentage of the overall market. Yeah that will take years. It shouldn't take years for it to become standard feature though. Lots of folks have been working hard on 3.0 devices for over a year already now.
You can walk into Fry's , Microcenter , or decent motherboard retail store and walk out the door with a USB 3.0 motherboard right now.
However, USB 3.0 is compatible with USB 2.0 (with right relatively inexpensive cables). The external device will just send/recieve slower. That is quite unlike LightPeak. LightPeak is more of a industry standard laptop docking port. Not exclusively used as a docking port, but that is a better analogy to view it through to see the utility in the design. [ Where several, not just one, protocols are sent between two units so that can avoid using multiple wires to hook them together. ]
LightPeak doesn't compete with USB 3.0. In fact can probably route USB 3.0 through a LightPeak router also if want to put that into the standard.
USB 3.0 provides essentially the same ability. And it is a standard that will be widely adopted on both desktops (which aren't going to shrink to zero) and laptops. What is a better standards solution? One that works on the supermajority of devices or just perhaps the bare majority of ones?
This is "i'm sticking with legacy tech". Again... the amount of legacy USB equipment is at least an order of magnitude higher than the stuff that hooks to these cards.
USB 3.0 is going to absorb eSATA. FW800 is tract that doesn't have a future in mainstream computer peripherals. Where are the products? There aren't any. Not even demos.
There are numerous models of Windows laptops out there right now with combo USB 2.0/eSATA sockets. My expectations that the majority of those models will very quickly shift to being USB 3.0 sockets. The designs have always prepped for having a "USB + hi-speed disk" interface sockets on them already. As a hot plugging external disk connector USB 3.0 wins over eSATA. With the relatively inexpensive cable/adapter you get USB 2.0 capability. So it is plainly a better solution that than this hack which squished the two together. [ Perhaps explain why Apple refused to adopt it, because the USB 3.0 is a more elegant approach to solve the problem. ]
Lightpeak, if anything, extends USB's lifetime since it is extremely likely that Intel will route USB data through the Lightpeak router. Lightpeak is not for hooking one device with one protocol to your box. It is for hooking your device and passing multiple protocols ( USB + PCI + etc. ) between the boxes. To do that it will be more expensive than just shipping USB over the wire. You'd be hard pressed to make it handle all of those various protocols cheaper than USB just by itself.
There is zero reason to make you mouse/keyboard/trackpad/etc. use LightPeak to connect to your device.
Right tool for the right job.
Yes. I presumed that folks would buy the motherboard.
You can buy one easily now. And while at the higher end of the price scale, you also aren't buying 6-10 million of them either.
USB 3 would be nice. Question, since Intel won't support USB 3 on their chips until 2011 or something, Apple would have to install a separate USB 3 board (they're very cheap, so it's not really a concern). If the board is separate from the CPU does that mean USB transfers won't slow down if the CPU is doing a lot of work, and vice versa?
Apple sells a lot, no, most of it's iPhones and iPods to windows/pc users. Even if Apple adopts LP on their computers by June 2010 (which is highly unlikely), their leaving most of the people they sell iPhones to, including people who own macs without LP in the dark. USB 3.0 is the best solution, because it is a cheap speed increase, without any changes and is backwards compatible.
Keep in mind the original iPhone was Aluminum, and it probably doesn't cost more to make the the iPhone 3GS. They only charged $600 at first is because it was new.
Apple sells a lot, no, most of it's iPhones and iPods to windows/pc users. Even if Apple adopts LP on their computers by June 2010 (which is highly unlikely), their leaving most of the people they sell iPhones to, including people who own macs without LP in the dark. USB 3.0 is the best solution, because it is a cheap speed increase, without any changes and is backwards compatible.
I think people are missing the point. You could have aluminum for the iphone it would just have to have that plastic bar across the top so the signal can get through like this...
I'd pay a few extra bucks for the aluminum case... i think allot of people would
I'd pay a few extra bucks for the aluminum case... i think allot of people would
Intel's 6 Series boards are coming out this year and have USB 3.0 and SATA III.
So what's the big advantage of lightpeak over usb 3 for the average consumer, assuming they're already switched on to apple? What's the advantage of multiple protocols? What would one theoretically use lightpeak for instead of usb 3 and why would it be superior?
And I like aluminum too. Thin, thin aluminummmmmmm....
At the presentation of Light Peak they said the initial speeds would 10 gbps whereas USB 3.0 theoretically maxes out at 5 gbps. The guy also said that soon after LP comes out, its speeds would jump to even higher speeds and eventually to 100 gbps.
someone tell me if I'm wrong. I haven't seen that video in a while.