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Cold medicine? No. It makes me sicker (pukey), so I just try to get a lot of rest and drink OJ.

But as far as other medications, anyone who says "medication isn't necessary," hasn't had 5 migraines in one week.
 
If you wish to relieve your symptoms, go ahead and take it. I would stay away from drugs not approved by the FDA, however. Keep in mind, cold medicines can only help your symptoms: in no way can they actually treat a cold.



That's not medicine.

the FDA, glad you brought them up....

Herbert Ley, M.D., Former FDA Commissioner, "the thing that bugs me is that people think that the FDA is protecting them. It isnt. What the FDA is doing and what the people think its doing are as different as night and day."

The FDA protects the large drug companies, not the public.
 
the FDA, glad you brought them up....

Herbert Ley, M.D., Former FDA Commissioner, "the thing that bugs me is that people think that the FDA is protecting them. It isnt. What the FDA is doing and what the people think its doing are as different as night and day."

The FDA protects the large drug companies, not the public.
Yes, Dr. Ley might have said that, with the most commonly quoted dates in the mid to late 1960s.

Do you think things might have changed a bit since then?
 
I'm not big on medicine.
That doesn't seem like the best idea for everything. What about curing cancer? And big stuff like that?


Some people say taking medicine will actually make you sick longer you just won't feel it as much./QUOTE]

Do they have any proof of that? Also if the illness is small time, and the only effects it will have on you, if feeling tired, or coughing, and they medicine will cure that, who care if you are "sick" for longer, if you never feel it?(also I'm interested in proof of that concept)

As we all know medicine doesn't make you better it just makes you "feel" better.
Are we talking small time, cold meds here? Or big stuff, like cancer? Because for small time, while that may be true, if you don't feel the effects, again, who cares? Since you body will fight it off soon, if you feel good while that happens, GREAT! And for things like infections or cancer, medicine makes you better.(ideally)


basicly, meds are good, great in fact. Assume people use them correctly.
 
Yes, Dr. Ley might have said that, with the most commonly quoted dates in the mid to late 1960s.

Do you think things might have changed a bit since then?

I think a lot has changed since then, and for the worse. Do you know how much money is in patented drugs, and the whole medical industry? And do you know how much power that kind of money can buy in the US government?

If someone publicly found a cure to cancer, a lot of money would be lost. And its sad to say that a lot of powerfull people are too greedy to let that happen.

Its the drug companies leagal obligation to raise profits for their shareholders. How do you raise profits? You sell more drugs. How do you sell more drugs? You get people sick and tell them that drugs are the answer. What makes people sick? (well, a lot of things) but drugs are a big part of it.

There are answers and ways to help your body heal its self of everything (including cancer). And drugs are not one of them.
 
Cold medicine? No. It makes me sicker (pukey), so I just try to get a lot of rest and drink OJ.

But as far as other medications, anyone who says "medication isn't necessary," hasn't had 5 migraines in one week.

No! Drink apple juice! OJ will kill you! (couldn't resist)

Also, the first thing that came into my head when I read the thread title was anti-depressants. I'm glad to find out it's a cold. And just for the record, if anyone here is suicidal, take your meds.
 
That actually is not true. Taking in excess Vitamin C does not help prevent and / or cure a cold. But it does not hurt either, so do as you please.

Kind of like how carrots are supposed to make vision better. They do supply Vitamin A, but they can't help you see in the dark or improve your vision. But again, in a reasonable amount it won't hurt.

To be more precise, Vitamin C might be necessary for life, but taking an excess of it isn't going to be much help unless you have scurvy.

And more, from wikipedia. Love that site.
Since its discovery vitamin C has been considered by some enthusiastic proponents a "universal panacea", although this led to suspicions by others of it being over-hyped.[59] Other proponents of high dose vitamin C consider that if it is given "in the right form, with the proper technique, in frequent enough doses, in high enough doses, along with certain additional agents and for a long enough period of time,"[60] it can prevent and, in many cases, cure, a wide range of common and/or lethal diseases, notably the common cold and heart disease,[61] although the NIH considers there to be "fair scientific evidence against this use."[62] Some proponents issued controversial statements involving it being a cure for AIDS,[63] bird flu, and SARS.[64][65][66]
 
Kind of like how carrots are supposed to make vision better. They do supply Vitamin A, but they can't help you see in the dark or improve your vision. But again, in a reasonable amount it won't hurt.

To be more precise, Vitamin C might be necessary for life, but taking an excess of it isn't going to be much help unless you have scurvy.

And more, from wikipedia. Love that site.

Carrot / vision :
I heard somewhere (I think on the tv show good eats) that the carrots help your vision rumor was started by the British military to cover up for some technology they were using... Kinda intersting how it blew up like it did

Scurvy:
and yet, if you sell an orange to someone and say its a cure to scurvy, then the FDA will arrest you. Because its a law that only a drug can prevent or cure a disease. And therefor you are selling a drug without a license.
 
Carrot / vision :
I heard somewhere (I think on the tv show good eats) that the carrots help your vision rumor was started by the British military to cover up for some technology they were using... Kinda intersting how it blew up like it did

Yep, the British used the carrots myth to cover for the increased number of Nazi bombers being shot down when they secretly started using airborne interception radar.
 
I think a lot has changed since then, and for the worse. Do you know how much money is in patented drugs, and the whole medical industry? And do you know how much power that kind of money can buy in the US government?

If someone publicly found a cure to cancer, a lot of money would be lost. And its sad to say that a lot of powerfull people are too greedy to let that happen.

Its the drug companies leagal obligation to raise profits for their shareholders. How do you raise profits? You sell more drugs. How do you sell more drugs? You get people sick and tell them that drugs are the answer. What makes people sick? (well, a lot of things) but drugs are a big part of it.
You've got it backwards, actually. Money would be gained by the creation of cure for cancer, not lost. What do pharmaceutical companies do? The sell drugs; the more effective their treatments, the higher their profits. The cure for cancer is the holy grail of pharmaceutical research; the company who finds such a cure would have their economic future secured for decades.

You're also wrong in that the companies need a way to make people sick. Believe it or not, we get quite sick on our own (or were we not more sick in the middle-ages than we are now?), and we are ever looking for things that make us better. Furthermore, the notion that pharmaceutical companies would be out of business if they released a cure is completely false because diseases are perpetually evolving to resist our medicines, so what maybe a cure tomorrow may not be effective in just a few years.

Finally, you claim that there's already a "publicly found cure to cancer" in the form of alternative treatments, yet you seem to contradict yourself by claiming that a cure would lead to the ultimate decline of the pharmaceutical giants. Why hasn't this already happened?

There are answers and ways to help your body heal its self of everything (including cancer). And drugs are not one of them.
OK. I'm assuming you can provide reliable, evidence-based, peer-reviewed, and un-biased research to support your claims that diseases (including cancer) are healable through means other than drugs?
 
I'm on my iPhone, so I can't provide sources to back me up right now. But:

-being sick isnt natural. And we are only sick because our modern day normal way of life (very man made) has caused it.

-the industry won't allow natural cures to diseases to be public because they're not patentable and there for, not profitable.

-and the "cures" that people have found aren't public (in the sense that theyre not advertised or promoted)

Theres a guy who has a cancer success rate of something like %95 by primarily using raw meat.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, these are my opinions (and infact all medical "facts" are indeed opinions). But I for one have stopped taking drugs.
 
-being sick isnt natural. And we are only sick because our modern day normal way of life (very man made) has caused it.

Bacteria, or at least the ancestors of bacteria, existed before humans. Although you probably believe that we were created or evolved first...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria

Also, "modern day normal" ways of life have reduced "being sick". Example: vaccinations. In fact, some argue that we prevent illness too much in youth by providing an environment that is too clean, causing their immune system to develop less because of reduced stimuli. One speck of truth in your post is that some diseases that are being wiped out are being replaced with more modern ones, and arguably there are more "modern" diseases than "natural" ones, but it is still unwarranted to say that illness is "unnatural".

On vaccination, from http://www.who.int/immunization/en/.
Four to five million annual deaths could be prevented by 2015 through sustained and appropriate immunization efforts, backed by financial support. Vaccination is one of the most successful and cost-effective public health interventions. Well over 2 million deaths are currently averted through immunization each year.
And the undeveloped immune system bit is really just a hypothesis, go ahead and tear it apart.


Anyway, find some reliable sources to share before you try and convince us that the earth is flat. Even if it means waiting to make your post until you are home at your computer and can (or can't) find resources.

Theres a guy who has a cancer success rate of something like %95 by primarily using raw meat.
Something to add, I could create a website right now and claim that I've only eaten corn flakes since I was born and that I have never been sick. Just because something is on the internet does not make it true. Otherwise, Santa would both exist and not exist, and I'm too tired to make sense of that.

And I will agree that pharmaceutical companies don't have our health as a priority all the time, but I try not to believe conspiracy theories in order to avoid paranoia and general insanity. Besides, most of them are total crap.
 
-being sick isnt natural. And we are only sick because our modern day normal way of life (very man made) has caused it.
Of course it is. People have always been susceptible to illness, along with every living organism on this planet (or don't animals get sick?). Are you implying that there was a time in which people were completely immune to illness?

-the industry won't allow natural cures to diseases to be public because they're not patentable and there for, not profitable.
-and the "cures" that people have found aren't public (in the sense that theyre not advertised or promoted)
At the same time, you're telling me about apparent cures, which must be public otherwise you wouldn't know about them.
Furthermore, it doesn't take billions of dollars to promote a product; thousands of first-time businesses advertise their products for the first time each year, and their products are either successful or failures based upon their effectiveness. In other words, it doesn't take a boatload of money to promote a product, if you have a good product it will sell and promote itself.

Theres a guy who has a cancer success rate of something like %95 by primarily using raw meat.
Yeah... I'm going to need a link.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, these are my opinions (and infact all medical "facts" are indeed opinions). But I for one have stopped taking drugs.
Entirely wrong. Science, by definition, is based on evidence and reproducible results, not opinion. Your assertion shows a clear misunderstanding of the scientific method.
 
Theres a guy who has a cancer success rate of something like %95 by primarily using raw meat.
The availability heuristic is a rule of thumb (which can result in a cognitive bias), where people base their prediction of the frequency of an event or the proportion within a population based on how easily an example can be brought to mind. In these instances the ease of imagining an example or the vividness and emotional impact of that example becomes more credible than actual statistical probability. Because an example is easily brought to mind or mentally "available", the single example is considered as representative of the whole rather than as just a single example in a range of data. Several examples:

* Someone argues that cigarette smoking is not unhealthy because his grandfather smoked three packs of cigarettes a day and lived to be 100. The grandfather's health could simply be an unusual case that does not speak to the health of smokers in general.

I'll be brief: essentially this sort of cancer news is noteworthy, unlike how many people go unmedicated and die from it. Because it's 'sensational' sounding, it's easily brought to mind. One person eating raw meat for cancer and being fine is not representative (I won't get into the representativeness heuristic) of the population of cancer patients.

PS-I have to take my Masters' COMP(rehensive exam)S in 1 hour and one of my questions is in re: to the availability/representativeness heuristic, so ignore me if you want.
 
People have always been susceptible to illness, along with every living organism on this planet (or don't animals get sick?). Are you implying that there was a time in which people were completely immune to illness?
"Four to five million annual deaths could be prevented by 2015 through sustained and appropriate immunization efforts, backed by financial support. Vaccination is one of the most successful and cost-effective public health interventions. Well over 2 million deaths are currently averted through immunization each year."

Okay, so to try and respond to both of these . . . First, yes, if you expose a population to a disease they have never been exposed to before, the population will be highly susceptible to that disease (having never had the opportunity to develop a natural immunity to it). This is much of what's caused epidemics in third-world countries and isolated population groups. Outsiders (traditionally, Europeans) arrive, carrying diseases the native population has never been exposed to before and - voila - instant epidemic in the native population. Vaccinate and, yes, that disease will no longer be a problem for many (not all, mind you, but many) members of the population. So, yes, vaccination is, at least moderately, "effective."

But at what cost? Vaccination works by triggering an absolutely unnatural response in the subject's immune system. So, yes, you get immunity to disease "x" - but what long term adverse impact is there on the immune system? The immune system is a remarkable thing - designed to recognize and fight off diseases that it has learned, through only the slightest exposure, are dangerous. Trying to manipulate the immune system to do what you want it to do (by injecting it with large amounts of toxin to produce an artificial immune response) impairs the system's ability to function the way it's supposed to. The result: impaired ability to fight off new diseases. The solution: more vaccination. The result: greater impairment. Long term outcome for the subject: chronic disease.

Illness is, contrary to the opinions above, not natural! If it were, we would no longer exist as a species. The reason we survive is because we have developed an immune system which allows us to resist those diseases which typically affect our population group. Those members of the community that don't develop that immunity die off. The ones that have healthy functioning immune systems survive. Yes, bacteria have been around for a long time, but so have we. The only rational explanation is that we have learned to fight off the bacteria.

Tamper with the body's immune system by, for example, introducing artificial immunizations, and you are tampering with a system that has worked very effectively for a very long time. The result is the development of new types of disease that we - as a species - have not had to deal with before.

If you could find a population that had not yet been exposed to outside influences (new diseases, processed foods), and you introduced vaccination and highly processed foods into that population, you would see a dramatic shift in the health of that population . . . and not for the better! We do things to ourselves on a daily basis that interfere with our bodies' ability to fight disease . . . and it makes us sick. And leads people such as the posters above to assume that sickness is a natural state of being.

Interestingly enough (and, yes, I digress), we also assume that an unhealthy jaw structure - with teeth crowded together due to lack of space - is a genetic defect. And, yet, that "genetic" defect can either appear or disappear from one generation to the next in conjunction with a change in diet. The impact of diet on offspring's health is so profound that change can be observed from one sibling to the next where there has been a significant change in the parents' diet.

So, yes, get vaccinated, take your cold pills, eat what's available at Safeway or Stop & Shop or Krogers . . . and get used to disease being a way of life.

Or, if you ever get the opportunity, talk to someone who was raised in a more isolated community in a different part of the world and learn something about the really remarkable things that other peoples have traditionally done to maintain their health. Just keep in mind that the way we view the world isn't the only way . . . .
 
If it makes sense to, I do extensive research on anything before I put it in my body.

I don't trust doctors at all, they've screwed me over as many times as helped.
 
Dump that cold medicine in the trash. The only thing that can make you better is your own immune system, so if you want to get better take things that will boost your immune system. Lots and lots of vitamin C is a good place to start.

Vitamin C has been proven to do absolutely nothing with colds I thought
 
Lots of Kool-Aid drinkers in the house. Oh Yeah!!!!

I know everyone's different, but taking cold medicine is a must for me on the days that I can't call in sick. But for some more thought provoking evidence, you should listen to the NPR report below.
"A new study indicates that people get better results from taking expensive pills — even when the "expensive pill" is a placebo with no active medical ingredients."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87938032

@nhcowboy1
You say illness is not natural, but yet your whole argument deals with epidemics and people dying because they aren't immune to a disease. :confused: Also, just because different cultures have alternative views/techniques to medicine, it's still medicine and it's still used to prevent illness. Or does no one die from illness in those other cultures?
 
@nhcowboy1
You say illness is not natural, but yet your whole argument deals with epidemics and people dying because they aren't immune to a disease.

Technological advances in transportation over the last couple of centuries have dramatically impacted the ability of isolated populations groups to remain isolated. Populations develop natural immunity to the diseases that they are exposed to. Bring in visitors (and diseases) from outside, and the picture changes dramatically.

We've dealt with that by vaccinating. For the sake of argument, let's say that's a good short-term solution. But the downside is the risk of long term impairment of our ability to protect ourselves from disease. A population that's been heavily vaccinated is less able to withstand exposure to new diseases. So you need more vaccinations . . . which results in greater impairment of the immune system . . necessitating further vaccinations . . . .

does no one die from illness in those other cultures?

People develop immunity to the diseases they are exposed to . . . so, yes, people should stay relatively healthy until something new comes in they've never been exposed to before.

Also, just because different cultures have alternative views/techniques to medicine, it's still medicine and it's still used to prevent illness.
Actually, what I was referring to were dietary differences, not different medicines.
 
But at what cost? Vaccination works by triggering an absolutely unnatural response in the subject's immune system. So, yes, you get immunity to disease "x" - but what long term adverse impact is there on the immune system? The immune system is a remarkable thing - designed to recognize and fight off diseases that it has learned, through only the slightest exposure, are dangerous. Trying to manipulate the immune system to do what you want it to do (by injecting it with large amounts of toxin to produce an artificial immune response) impairs the system's ability to function the way it's supposed to. The result: impaired ability to fight off new diseases. The solution: more vaccination. The result: greater impairment. Long term outcome for the subject: chronic disease.
And in what way are vaccines "unnatural"? And what are the reproducible adverse effects on the immune system? Also, another common misconception: vaccines aren't toxins, no more than your pathogen-covered doorknob is toxic. Vaccines contain the same viruses we would receive "naturally" but it a modified state so we're not harmed in the process. There is no reason to believe that these modified viruses cause the immune system to respond differently than when introduced to a live virus.

Illness is, contrary to the opinions above, not natural! If it were, we would no longer exist as a species. The reason we survive is because we have developed an immune system which allows us to resist those diseases which typically affect our population group. Those members of the community that don't develop that immunity die off. The ones that have healthy functioning immune systems survive. Yes, bacteria have been around for a long time, but so have we. The only rational explanation is that we have learned to fight off the bacteria.
You seem to have forgotten that pathogens evolve concurrently with humans; it's like a never-ending game of leap-frog. Your belief would require that they not evolve, so that once the humans species built an complete set of immunities we'd be done forever (well, until we started receiving vaccines, apparently). ...As we all know, this is not the case as we can track the evolutions in pathogens throughout many lifetimes.

Or, if you ever get the opportunity, talk to someone who was raised in a more isolated community in a different part of the world and learn something about the really remarkable things that other peoples have traditionally done to maintain their health.
I would, but most of them completely died off in the middle ages from the black plague... long before the existence of vaccines.
 
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