I'm not going to stop paying for Spotify during the Apple Music trial and neither should anyone else.I guess you could argue that if people are using apples free trial, they aren't using an alternative service that is paying its artists.
I'm not going to stop paying for Spotify during the Apple Music trial and neither should anyone else.I guess you could argue that if people are using apples free trial, they aren't using an alternative service that is paying its artists.
Yeah. I don't give two hoots about Taylor Swift or her music, but it seems like they should at least offer a reduced cut to the artists during the trial period. After all, the music is the reason anyone signs up for a streaming service in the first place.
What I don't agree with is that somehow the fact that Apple has billions in the bank should enter into it. I hear this argument a lot, but it never made any sense. We live in a market economy. Apple should not be expected to be altruistic here. If they were, they should be sending a bunch of money my way. I participate in Apple user groups, I speak at conferences on Apple topics, I'm part of the reason they have billions in the bank! I should at least get a free iPhone out of the deal...
Actually it does. Taylor Swift pulled out of Spotify because she felt (most likely her record company) she was not getting either enough or any compensation for her music on Spotify's freemium tier.Yeah.
That doesn't answer my question.
As someone who has worked with someone in the indie music industry and my one of my main customers being an artist, I can completely agree with Taylor Swift for once. Its a huge blow as many people won't get paid a single penny for this! As many people will be using he Apple music for free from June, any album released from July to October, none of those artists will be paid for what they what could be streamed a billion times!
People like Taylor can manage that but my friend and customer cannot cope with that - I will lose business also as they wont be able to pay my bills.
I understand a small start up doing this, but the worlds richest company? Can't it afford losing some money on trying to get this service going?
This is not a Problem for Taylor Swift and big bands, but its for the indie artists and the teenager artists in their bed rooms - working all night on a song!
And that to me is why I'm pleased Taylor has put her foot down and said no and that's also why I will still pay for Spotify.
But if you think about it... she wasn't getting anything from Apple Music subscriptions before it was a thing. In 3 months time, she will start getting money from Apple Music subscriptions.
How is it putting people out of jobs when they got 0 before and will get 0 for free months and then something?
People understand that streaming music services are temporary - if they stop paying, they stop being able to listen. Is this really going to hurt CD / iTunes sales? Because if people really support one particular artists they might not stump up the subscription fee just to listen to a handful of artists, and instead they will just buy like they always used to.
I basically don't agree that CD / iTunes sales would be impacted as much as the industry fears.
Yeah. I don't give two hoots about Taylor Swift or her music, but it seems like they should at least offer a reduced cut to the artists during the trial period. After all, the music is the reason anyone signs up for a streaming service in the first place.
Good job for Taylor speaking up. I've gained new respect for her. I do think that if Apple does this free 3 months they need to compensate the artists for what users are consuming.
Musicians should 100% without a doubt be getting paid during the free trial. If a gym gives out a free trial during a grand opening do the gym employees work for free for two weeks? If a restaurant has an opening night dry run do they tell their food suppliers "we're not going to pay you for this shipment, this was for our free night... You understand... We're going to be open for at least 2 years and you still want our business, right???"
It's called a loss leader... Don't worry you'll be back to pulling in 100's of millions after this terrible trial period.. I hope you can make it until then.
People who don't want to pay for music have plenty of ways to get it.
If Apple can convert some percentage of those people into payers isn't that a good thing?
And you're going to b**** that it takes 3 months instead of happening instantly?
Give me a break. I guess you'd prefer they just remain pirates forever? How is THAT better?
So, Taylor Swift has written an "open letter" to Apple explaining why she won't be putting her new album on Apple Music.
She says even though she's "ok and can afford not be be paid for 3 months" (Really? Like she's actually skint, aye?) she's "speaking up" for the indie labels who won't get paid during the 3 month trial period.
She's kidding no one on, she's raging she won't be paid. The simple fact here is that if she wanted to help Indie labels she'd use her Twitter to showcase upcoming names, but she doesn't. She is hiding her rant about not being paid behind the smokescreen of, "I'm doing this to raise awareness for those who don't make as much as me." No hen, you're not.
So, the good thing is that she's no longer on Spotify and soon she won't be on Apple Music. Another place where I can listen without being bothered by her psychotic ranting pop songs about the men who left her.
Brilliant.
Bottom line, I use streaming services but also buy thr hard copy of my favourite bands latest album. I'm older, so remember the buzz of going into a store and buying the album.
Clearly you need to revisit history. It was more than 10 years ago too... what happened happened as a result of technology, the industry didn't need saving, it just needed to find it's way in the new tech. It still isn't there and this move by Apple certainly isn't helping matters at all. Apple can more than afford to pay the artists out of their pockets for the 3 months, it is the right thing to do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional and has no clue how music artists get paid on their works.And who saved the music industry's ass 10 years ago?
Again, record companies usually get ZERO from publishing royalties. Artists care less about units sold than publishing royalties (as a general rule, exceptions aside).Last time I checked, the record companies agreed to the 3 month trial. Why not direct the criticism to them?
Wow if that's the type of logic you employ, do I have a job offer for you!!! It pays ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the first three months, but after that I promise I'll start paying you.
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You are assuming that every time someone listens to a song the artist has to purchase raw ingredients to remake the song from scratch at their own cost. This is a crappy deal for the person baking cupcakes, but an excellent and free marketing deal for someone providing digital content.As someone who read the first 6 pages of this thread, I am in disbelief of how stupid and blind people can be. So, let's get this straight.
First off, I know baking cupcakes is a bit different than making music, but bear with me.
Let's say I'm setting up a service called "Granny's cupcakes.". I'm one of the biggest cupcake resellers in the city and my store is in the downtown, which means quite a few people might see/buy it. So I go up to you, the content provider (baker) and we agree on the price you sell me your cupcakes for.
Now, that I have a content (cupcake) provider, I'm ready to start selling. Of course I have costs like rent, electricity and so on. With that in mind, I decide to have — let's say — 25% higher price to cover the costs + 5% revenue on each product I sell.
I really believe in my service but I tell you I need you to deliver your cupcakes to me free for 3 months in order for me to start paying you for them, because I got this great idea of giving people the cupcakes for free, which means they'll try my service and when they see they like my (read your) product, they'll eventually start paying for it. But you'll still need to pay your costs (flour, cream, cherries, rent, electricity…) 'cause your costs are none of my business, of course. I'm also not getting paid, so what?
Now imagine a scenario in wich your bakery is a partner with a bigger company called United Cupcakes, Inc. which resells not only your but other's bakeries cupcakes. They send you a monthly report which tells you how much you should bill them.
My company goes up to CEO of United Cupcakes and we arrange a deal. And then the CEO goes up to you and tells you that you're not getting paid for 3 months in a row but then you'll eventually get paid the next month.
Of course you're not dumb, so you're selling your products to other resellers. But you know that my company has the money to market my service and they'll giving it for free for 3 months. So why would anyone buy from these resellers anyway when they can have them for free, right?
For Jack, the consumer, this is great. He will get cupcakes free for 3 months. But you're not getting paid for any of them.
Great business idea, don't you think? Not so much for you I guess.
Now, please answer these questions:
- would you think this is a fair offer?
- would you deliver me your cupcakes free for 3 months, knowing that I might be just the right cupcake reseller?
- what would you think of the CEO of United Cupcakes?
I imagine this wouldn't hurt your bakery if it was big and profitable, but if you're just starting, I can't possibly think of an universe in which you are like: "whatevs, I can support other company's product".
The point that people are missing is that Apple won't make a cent out of the trial period too. It's like a joint effort with the studios to get more people on board and make more money later.
The bigger subscription base will be beneficial to both artists and Apple later on.
As someone who has worked with someone in the indie music industry and my one of my main customers being an artist, I can completely agree with Taylor Swift for once. Its a huge blow as many people won't get paid a single penny for this! As many people will be using he Apple music for free from June, any album released from July to October, none of those artists will be paid for what they what could be streamed a billion times!
People like Taylor can manage that but my friend and customer cannot cope with that - I will lose business also as they wont be able to pay my bills.
I understand a small start up doing this, but the worlds richest company? Can't it afford losing some money on trying to get this service going?
This is not a Problem for Taylor Swift and big bands, but its for the indie artists and the teenager artists in their bed rooms - working all night on a song!
And that to me is why I'm pleased Taylor has put her foot down and said no and that's also why I will still pay for Spotify.
I don't actually support it. I think Apple should just cover the cost themselves. But that's because they can easily afford it.