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Like I mentioned earlier, John Gruber said the Watch wouldn't be compelling if it didn't have the taptic engine. He also said most days he finished with 40-50% battery life left.

Well, I'm sure we will all know soon enough, when we start seeing dozens/hundreds of people on these very forums saying how they got to the end of the day, taking off the watch as they slip into bed, and placing it on it's night charging stand with 40%-50% battery left.

Will also be interesting to see how this changes as more interesting to play with apps come along in the next few weeks/months.
 
I would trade the large Taptic Engine space for more battery in a heartbeat.

(See what I did there? ;))
You would? :rolleyes: But then you wouldn't have an Apple watch, would you? I mean anybody can pull TDP and battery capacity curves off a chart and spout predicted usable life. But it really means nothing if not put into the context of the final product, uses, and capabilities. You haven't even lived with tactic feedback for any length of time and you are willing to cast overboard one of AWs key design elements? Really?
 
i wonder how much more battery they can get in there with out the taptic engine . if its anything like the vibrate on the phone i won't use it anyways
 
Btw, I've had an "aha" moment about charging in spurts vs. all at once. I like wearing watches at night, partly for the time display. Some even gather sleep info. So the idea of charging overnight away from my wrist is not ideal.

What I've discovered is that, for me at least, a quick charge can work as well. I.e. I wear my LGR watch from 7am - 645am (23.75 hours), then throw it on the charger for 15 minutes or so while I take a shower, which pops it back up to 35-40%... enough to go another full 24 hour cycle with the screen set to always on.


^^ this. I wear my Gear S 24hrs a day when I want to track my sleep cycles and charge it in the morning before I leave/while I have coffee. Usually takes about 1hr to get to 100% from all that use.

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You would? :rolleyes: But then you wouldn't have an Apple watch, would you? I mean anybody can pull TDP and battery capacity curves off a chart and spout predicted usable life. But it really means nothing if not put into the context of the final product, uses, and capabilities. You haven't even lived with tactic feedback for any length of time and you are willing to cast overboard one of AWs key design elements? Really?

Serious question, what's the real benefit to Taptic on a watch over a standard click?
 
You would? :rolleyes: But then you wouldn't have an Apple watch, would you? I mean anybody can pull TDP and battery capacity curves off a chart and spout predicted usable life. But it really means nothing if not put into the context of the final product, uses, and capabilities. You haven't even lived with tactic feedback for any length of time and you are willing to cast overboard one of AWs key design elements? Really?

give the guy some slack it not much different the vibrate on a phone for goodness sake
 
Amazing feat of engineering! :eek: Kudos for Apple :cool:

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But... but... does it compute?
You know Apple created ipod nano's years ago right? That is also a tiny computer. Other companies have also been able to make tiny computers for years. What's so special here?
 
This is engineering marvel... You can use a day of battery-life in this tiny battery, and people are complaining about battery life?

Ummm, my 1995 World Citizen watch radio shack battery is twice as small and it runs for 4 years at a time...

How many apps does it run?

Wow. It's like some people live in a bubble. Android Wear watches and other devices have batteries that are equiv and have the same if not longer life.

Battery size/capacity is one factor. What you're powering is another.

And yes - people may complain about battery life. Because many people don't care about how the watch was made, they want the functionality they want or perceive they need.

If people that complain about their newspaper being delivered a few minutes late, mock typos, etc stopped to marvel at how many people and how fast everything must come together every single day to produce and then distribute a newspaper - they might not. However - they do because all they care about is the end product.
 
I wonder if, in the future, we'll see little battery segments embedding in the watch band?
 
Sorry but that's no computer on top. That's an S1W NUCLEAR CONTROL room prototype for the nautilus. I know this because I sat in the center chair controlling it when I qualified as engineer.
No computers there I promise.

Dating yourself here, mate!
 
The people complaining about the battery life need to get laid......seriously!


There are two things that should be done in bed everyday and wearing a watch during either of those activities WITH ANOTHER PERSON is in poor form!

Any person that wraps their arms around another naked body at night knows how bad wearing a watch to bed can be.

Then there is the daily cleaning of your body. Which is important if you are close to another human being daily. Co-workers might not tell you that you stink, but the person you sleep with will!

So my conclusion here is that ONLY people that sleep alone and don't get any intimate contact on a regular basis, take daily showers, are concerned about being able to wear their watch more than 18hours in a row.
 
The people complaining about the battery life need to get laid......seriously!


There are two things that should be done in bed everyday and wearing a watch during either of those activities WITH ANOTHER PERSON is in poor form!

Any person that wraps their arms around another naked body at night knows how bad wearing a watch to bed can be.

Then there is the daily cleaning of your body. Which is important if you are close to another human being daily. Co-workers might not tell you that you stink, but the person you sleep with will!

So my conclusion here is that ONLY people that sleep alone and don't get any intimate contact on a regular basis, take daily showers, are concerned about being able to wear their watch more than 18hours in a row.

Or people that want to track their sleeping habits for health reasons.

So your conclusion is wrong. And before you jump on me for saying that - I'm not one of these people. I don't track my sleep. But I know many that do. They are also happily married and have healthy relationships.
 
You would? :rolleyes: But then you wouldn't have an Apple watch, would you? I mean anybody can pull TDP and battery capacity curves off a chart and spout predicted usable life.

Well, sure. Put double the battery size in the Apple Watch and what do you think would happen to its longevity?

That's why I posted the other watch times: to demonstrate that increasing the battery size can easily make a dramatic difference relative to a device class.

But it really means nothing if not put into the context of the final product, uses, and capabilities. You haven't even lived with tactic feedback for any length of time and you are willing to cast overboard one of AWs key design elements? Really?

So? You haven't lived with it, either. It's going to be a personal preference in any case.

For example, I'm old. The top of my wrist is not that sensitive, nor are others' wrists judging from some reviewers commenting that they couldn't feel the tapping. Why do you think Apple put in the enhanced Haptic mode which buzzes the heck out of you first?

I also have watches right now that can use different tap patterns to indicate different notifications, but I don't use those either... although I'm sure some people do.

To me, a "key design element" is longevity and ease of use. For instance, I recently went on a multi-day outing, and did I take any of my truly smart smartwatches? Nope. I took my trusty Martian Notifier, whose watch section lasts two years, and whose notification section lasts five days. It was simply less hassle, because I didn't have to worry about charging it.

Feel free to post your own preferences, but do not feel free to diss anyone else's.
 
Or people that want to track their sleeping habits for health reasons.

So your conclusion is wrong. And before you jump on me for saying that - I'm not one of these people. I don't track my sleep. But I know many that do. They are also happily married and have healthy relationships.


No daily shower? No time at home before bed to charge?

Maybe you wouldn't have to track your sleep if you are dinner and cleaned yourself daily.

Oddly enough the human body needs daily recharging every 18 or so hours too.
 
No daily shower? No time at home before bed to charge?

Maybe you wouldn't have to track your sleep if you are dinner and cleaned yourself daily.

Oddly enough the human body needs daily recharging every 18 or so hours too.

Stop being obtuse. First of all - I'm not saying there isn't enough battery life. But I can understand those that would like more. I can't imagine anyone NOT wanting more battery life as if it would be a bad thing.

People have all sorts of use cases. You're best not trying to pigeon hole people based on your use case.

The watch requires more attention for some than they care for. Some customers, I believe, don't want have to remember yet another device to charge regularly. That's not something crazy. Especially if they are replacing their current watch that might run "indefinitely"

Ultimately, people adapt and adjust and I am sure it won't be as big of a deal as it was pre-launch. You post, to me, came off as slightly obnoxious. But it's cool - I pretty much know mine sometimes do too :)
 
Ummm, my 1995 World Citizen watch radio shack battery is twice as small and it runs for 4 years at a time...

Your Citizen watch is a computer running software, Bluetooth, wifi constantly?

No? Then your comparison is moot.
 
Stop being obtuse. First of all - I'm not saying there isn't enough battery life. But I can understand those that would like more. I can't imagine anyone NOT wanting more battery life as if it would be a bad thing.

People have all sorts of use cases. You're best not trying to pigeon hole people based on your use case.

The watch requires more attention for some than they care for. Some customers, I believe, don't want have to remember yet another device to charge regularly. That's not something crazy. Especially if they are replacing their current watch that might run "indefinitely"

Ultimately, people adapt and adjust and I am sure it won't be as big of a deal as it was pre-launch. You post, to me, came off as slightly obnoxious. But it's cool - I pretty much know mine sometimes do too :)


IMO you are being are the one being "obtuse" here by not looking at the basic facts of life. PEOPLE SLEEP DAILY! That is a fact!

Sure we all have those long days, all nighters, etc., but on average everyone sleeps more than the 2.5h Watch charge time, every day! (This will be my new excuse for 2.5 hours of sex daily......"my Watch isn't charged yet:p)

So in "real world" use there is simply no need to have longer battery life, most of the time!

Another reality is that if you sleep with another person then, by far, "most" of them won't want you scratching them with a watch at night or checking tweets during sex;)

So, you can pull all your obtuse random 1%er use cases out all you want but for the vast majority of people that have sex, take showers and sleep....(all proven to be good for your health and sleep habits BTW), 18 hours of battery life is plenty! :D
 
IMO you are being are the one being "obtuse" here by not looking at the basic facts of life. PEOPLE SLEEP DAILY! That is a fact!

Sure we all have those long days, all nighters, etc., but on average everyone sleeps more than the 2.5h Watch charge time, every day!

So in "real world" use there is simply no need to have longer battery life, most of the time!

Another reality is that if you sleep with another person then, by far, "most" of them won't want you scratching them with a watch at night or checking tweets during sex;)

So, you can pull all your obtuse random 1%er use cases out all you want but for the vast majority of people that have sex, take showers and sleep....(all proven to be good for your health and sleep habits BTW), 18 hours of battery life is plenty! :D
Again - some people want to track their sleeping habits. That means wearing the watch.

Also - not every couple has sex every night.

Let's not speak in hyperbole, shall we?

I never said 18 hours wasn't enough. At least for me. I do like that my smart watch gets about 48 hours though. It's nice that if I forget to charge it one night, I am not without it the next day. And, yes, I DO take it off each night regardless.
 
Again - some....

Yeah, I understood what "some" meant the first time. It means some amount less than "all". Usually less than "most" or even "many". Which in the case for this watch's designed use case means "a very small amount".

Repaeating it doesn't make "some" any more statistically significant.

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Also - not every couple has sex every night.

That's a shame:D

I actually never said they did, I said they "should";)


But, even on the nights where I'm not having sex I still prefer to not mangle and assault my wife with a watch strapped to my wrist while we sleep! :rolleyes:
 
Hmm, based on such a small battery it would appear Apple will not be able to have an always on display this first go around. That is kind of a bummer.
 
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