I know he was talking about the 5S, and it's not known for being choppy. If my 4S is not choppy his 5S isn't choppy unless it has a problem, then it should be returned.
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Teardown of Retina iPad Mini Reveals A7 Chip, LG Display, Larger Battery
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I know he was talking about the 5S, and it's not known for being choppy. If my 4S is not choppy his 5S isn't choppy unless it has a problem, then it should be returned.
It's a little more complicated. Even if two chips have the same brand name, they might be very different. The first A5 chip was build on a 45 nanometer process (like A5X in iPad 3), while later revisions of the A5 use the same 32 nanometer process as the A6 and A6X chips. All A5 are running roughly at the same speed, but newer ones use far less energy.
Apple A5 family
(S5L8940, 45nm) A5
(S5L8942, 32nm) A5r2
(S5L8947, 32nm) A5r3
Apple A5X
(S5L8945X, 45nm) A5X
Apple A6
(S5L8955X, 32nm) A6
Apple A6X
(S5L8955X, 32nm) A6X
Apple A7 family
(S5L8960X, 28nm) A7
(S5L8965X, 28nm) A7
The A7 brought another process shrink, which allowed the iPad Air to use a smaller battery and lose weight. And the iPad mini with Retina Display to compute much more pixels in the same form factor.
It is odd to hear people talk about the iPad Mini vs Air choice as if it were choosing the 5S vs Galaxy S3. So much hatred and taunting in people's words.
I'm not saying you of course, but rather the person you were responding to (I didn't want to quote them and get them riled up).
I just wanted to say that I appreciated your post, and the balance it had in choosing an Air vs Mini.
Tough choice, but I personally decided to go the Mini route and see how I like it.
When you said that you'd probably stick to the Mini were it just a tablet to you, I related most to that statement. That's what I'm looking for.
Once they include TouchID in the future, it will tempt me to upgrade, and we'll see if I stick to the mini or go Air.
No. The reason this isn't sound is because it neglects many other factors.
Given that the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5S have roughly the same heat dissipation capability (read: it's got the same amount of metal in the same volume, and roughly the same shape and arrangement of said metal), but that the A7's thermal throttling is much more noticeable than the A6 (if it even does it at all), it's likely that the A6 would have no problem in the first gen iPad mini if the A7 works in the same space.
It's more likely that the 1st gen iPad mini was being worked on before the A6 was available or that supply of the A6 wasn't sure to be enough. People assume that just because a product comes out around the same time that it was developed around the same time, this is simply a bad assumption.
Basically:
Thermal characteristics of the A6 definitely were NOT a factor for the 1st gen iPad mini.
We simply don't know why they chose the A5 for the 1st gen iPad mini.
Thanks for your comment. Regarding your first paragraph, of course there are going to be users like you. I'm not refuting that, but was simply not speaking about that group specifically, because it is a very small portion of the population. Most of the comments I make regard the general population, which is, for the iPad, people who use it to watch videos and play angry birds.
The point being, that even though some may appreciate the larger screen (and yes a good portion of those choose the full-sized iPad for that reason), there were also a good amount of people who justified their purchase of the iPad 4 over the mini because it seemed to be the "flag-ship" device over the mini (which was purposefully given lower specs). Now that they have the exact same specs, I think we'll see a different thought process.
In fact I've already seen plenty of Air users who have been trying to justify their purchase in another way besides the bigger screen. It's just buyers remorse because the mini has the same specs, but feels lighter and more comfortable in the hand. But for those who bought the air because they enjoy the bigger screen more, power to them.
And yes, again, iOS 7 is horrendous. I'm a picky person, but I feel like even the average consumer would notice 25+ bugs in this software in over a week.
Here's another one I just noticed a second ago. Go to your first home screen (if you don't have the stocks app take it on and throw it there) and double tap to go into the app-switching mode. While going into that mode look at the stocks app. The vertical lines on the app freak out - every single time haha.
Because both of this device is basically the same in spec, the only differentiate factor is the screen and battery. But the air is smaller and lighter from previous gen and still retain the same screen size which is a win for me.
Air is better then the mini, imo.
The iPad Air's geekbench score puts it at 6-13% higher than then Retina Mini's.
Both are within ~10% of the iPhone 5S
~~~So even more now than ever an iPad is looking like just an iPhone with a larger screen
Yeah yeah .. and swimming pool is just a larger bath tub so it shouldn't even exist in the first place. Everyone could just swim freely in their bathroom.
Thanks for that! I am now avoiding this dud and moving to samsung and android. Bye bye Apple.
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In group out group - always the same. Sports teams, religions, countries, car manufacturers, tech companies, soda brand etc.
Some people love to love their chosen one of these things and love to hate others.
It is funny to watch though.
Big question
Why does no Apple A7X processor exist? There seems to be no X model for the CPUs this time around; really would've helped to differentiate in power among certain products.
Why does no Apple A7X processor exist? There seems to be no X model for the CPUs this time around; really would've helped to differentiate in power among certain products.
Yeah yeah .. and swimming pool is just a larger bath tub so it shouldn't even exist in the first place. Everyone could just swim freely in their bathroom.
Lol well if you're in need of doing the breast stroke then yes, you may need the iPad Air.
Why does no Apple A7X processor exist? There seems to be no X model for the CPUs this time around; really would've helped to differentiate in power among certain products.
This is becaue the A7 is hardcore enough to power all of them. The technology existed to be able to give all devices the best processor. Think of it as though ALL the devices have received a an X version, so there is no need for the X moniker.
They did make different versions though. The iPad Air is clocked out to 0.1 Ghz faster than the iPad mini and iPhone 5S version, and in tests gets 10-13% higher performance.
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The article fails to mention one thing that MANY have been wondering since the idea of an iPad Mini Retina:
Originally Posted by ifixit
Within the A7 package is Elpida F8164A1PD 1 GB LPDDR3 DRAM
Indeed, I read that as well - so the RAM in the 5S and mini A7 is onboard the chip, but NOT on the iPad Air. What, if anything does that actually mean???
I think this is not justified. The score is important, because it tells something about the sustainability of Apple products. If it's harder to repair, it's also harder to repair for Apple. If you take your iPad mini to Apple to have it fixed, they will most probably send you a new one, and throw the old one away. Or if not that, will have to throw a large chunk away (e.g. the whole display assembly). Remember: it's always better to reuse than to recycle.
It could mean that two heat sources are spatially separated and that this is the reason why the iPad Air can run at a slightly higher clock speed and doesn't suffer from throttling like the A7 in the iPhone 5s. It could also mean, that there wasn't enough room in the iPad mini to put two chips in it. Or it could be in preparation for being able to put more RAM into the iPad Air without designing a new A7 variant.
Generally smaller machines always tend to be slower machines. We need Anand Lal Shimpi to learn more.
I was originally going to replace my original iPad mini with the retina display model but since seeing the A7 chip is slightly slower than that on the Air I decided to buy The iPad Air 128gb cellular. I need the slightly better A7 chip for video and music production.
I just wanted to acknowledge your reply to me. Good points I hadn't considered, I appreciate it.
Why is that any different? Makes as much sense as 5S vs S3.
Both are Fortune500 type profit driven, ginormous corporations, peddling fancy consumer widgets. Completely illogical. Might as well get riled up over individual products from the same corporation.
Ah. I do remember hearing that the A7 is substantially more thermally efficient than the A6 and that the A6 was somewhat worse at this than the A5. Though to be fair, I might've simply been misinterpreting a comparison made between the A6X and the iPad Air's A7. Perhaps I'm also misinterpreting the broader comparison to be made between AxX chips and Ax chips.
I feel like with the iPad mini and the iPhone 5 each evenly dividing attention in Late 2012, there would've had to be a really good reason to not give the iPad mini the iPhone 5's processor. I refuse to believe, especially in light of their respective 2013 successors, that they did this as a marketing move.
See, I was under the impression that the A6 was more thermally inefficient than either generation of A5; though, again, perhaps I am mistaking the A6 to A7 comparison to the A6X to A7 comparison as the X chips did seem to generate more heat than their non-X counterparts. Either way, pending a formal explanation it sort of makes no sense that Apple would use a processor one generation older than at-the-time current on the first iPad mini but then use a processor that IS current on the second. To chalk it up to marketing would make very little sense as what they're doing now would appear to defy that. Again, I would figure that technological/physical or supply constraints would be the only reason to stunt the performance of the Fifth Generation iPod touch and the First Generation iPad mini THAT much more than the most current iPhone/full-sized-iPad. The "that's just Apple; they want to shaft early adopters and make more money" argument doesn't seem appropriate here.
What! Have you never heard of people using iPads to do music and video production? Is the A7 chip no good for music and video production on the iPad? I don't understand why you think that is an odd thing for me to say that I need the slightly better A7 chip for video and music production on the iPad.:roll eyes:
Obviously, if I want to do serious music and video production I'll use my Mac but the iPad and A7 chip is handy for on the move.
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