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Teardown of Retina iPad Mini Reveals A7 Chip, LG Display, Larger Battery
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For what it's worth, a google search shows the iPad 3 had a "Non-removable Li-Po 11,560 mAh battery (42.5 Wh)".
Versus the 16.3 on original Mini, and 24.3 on this one.
Geez, no wonder the 3rd gen was so heavy.
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The iPad Air's geekbench score puts it at 6-13% higher than then Retina Mini's.
Both are within ~10% of the iPhone 5S
~~~So even more now than ever an iPad is looking like just an iPhone with a larger screen
That is funny. I don't really know how I feel about that. That used to be everyone's shot at the iPad.
"If". While I'm in no way a blind Apple fanboy (as opposed to many here), I don't think the A7 needs to be throttled in the Mini - unlike in the 5s.
Cause you totally can see the glue that is INSIDE the device when using it or just admiring it.
You are absolutely exaggerating this.
Anandtech went and wrote code with the sole purpose of using as much CPU power as possible and used that for testing. They said that they haven't found _any_ application that used even half as much power as their test application, including very graphics intensive games. With that test program, it took two minutes to get the iPhone to the point where it had to slow down. Any program that you will ever run produces only half as much heat as their test program. So it will take longer to reach enough heat to force the iPhone to slow done, and it will slow down less, than in a test that has been written with the sole purpose of creating heat.
The iPad Air's geekbench score puts it at 6-13% higher than then Retina Mini's.
Both are within ~10% of the iPhone 5S
~~~So even more now than ever an iPad is looking like just an iPhone with a larger screen
My iphone 5S is slow and choppy and freezes up or crashes. I definitely wouldn't want an even bigger screen powered by the same CPU
Great thanks, that puts my mind at east since I have on order
Haha I don't know why so many people are questioning whether they made the right choice with the mini. I personally don't even want the rather massive iPad Air...I want a tablet I can hold without feeling like it's a textbook (2 hand use)
There is no evidence that I've seen, so far, at least, but I think it would be quite obvious that the implementation was absolutely possible in the Mini and Air, because they made it happen with the 5S and that would be the most difficult to do. They're absolutely holding off until next years model because this years model already has "enough" features to sell well.
I for one am actually slightly relieved with it having a normal home button. I'm looking forward to being able to swipe to unlock on my iPad still
. I don't use a password on my iPad since it sits at home all day, and even on my 5S I it never leaves my pocket or hand so it's even slightly annoying having touch ID - but I feel slightly obligated to use it because it has the feature....Many "full-sized" iPad users have simply never used a iPad Mini but for most of them it is the better product. They just keep trying to justify not getting it because the "full-sized" iPad was the "flag-ship" device. But it's not anymore, and if you would be totally fine with the iPad Mini's uses (meaning you don't mind the still rather large 7.9 inch screen) then it is my opinion that you are an idiot for trying to convince yourself you need the Air
Lol I think it's hilarious. I mean at least the previous iPad's could boast the "x" processor but now literally the 5S, retina iPad-Mini and iPad Air are all just about the same power. The only difference is screen size between most all of the devices (and 8mp camera for the iPhone).
Granted next year when they release the iPad Maxi that is likely to have the 8x chip or something and will become the new flagship with substantially better performance than the Air. But until then, it seems all of their products are roughly equivalent.
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I completely agree, and my 5S is the same (us picky people) - but it's totally iOS7 not the chip. It will be even worse on the iPad's version of iOS though, that's for sure. Looking forward to it
I've said this in many other posts, but I can't wait for them to fix the endless amount of bugs in iOS7....like who needs iOS8....just realize iOS7.5 as it should have been released at launch..with no bugs.
Why do you mention this?
I chose mini BECAUSE the display is smaller.
So what?
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Your iPhone is broken or you are a liar.
You don't have to be a blind Apple fanboy to understand that the clock speed has very little to do with actual "throttling". We do not know how the Mini Retina's A7 will throttle down until you actually put it under the load and how long the processor will sustain the maximum clockspeed. It might be the same as the iPad Air or iPhone 5s or somewhere inbetween.
Why is when someone claim they are more objective than "Apple fanboy" they tend to say things that are far from objective? Does the Mini have the same thermal characteristics as the Air?
Did you buy it on the black market? It's probably running Android 2.0 or something. I think you got an iPhony. I have an iPhone 4S and it's not choppy, it has slowed down a little bit since iOS 7, but isn't choppy, doesn't crash nor does it freeze up.
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I went with the mini, it's got a better size screen. I would have bought the mini even if it cost more than the full size.
I'm in the same boat as you. Have ipad 3 32 + cellular in a smart case clone. Thing feels like it weighs a ton. (Probably 2lbs.. ) Spoilt on Retina so waited this long for iPad mini. Nice to have nearly compariable speed too in Mini.
Was thinking about the Air.. I guess if i dont like it I can exchange it..
it was hard enough trying to decide on what colour to get . (I got the black one in the end - watch lots of video/images/browsing - black boarder helps the screen 'pop' a bit more)
on A-Series Chips
So, what I'm getting here (and someone please feel free to disprove this) is that the A6 chips (the A6X in the 4th Generation iPad included in this) was seriously powerful and a very respectable step forward (in terms of speed, if nothing else) from the A5, but it was/is thermally inefficient, which is why it was left out of the first generation iPad mini (and thusly why the first generation iPad mini wasn't in parity with the fourth generation iPad with CPUs the way this generation of iPad Air is with this new generation of iPad mini with retina) and the fifth generation iPod touch. Both of those, prior to the October event, were the thinnest iOS devices out there and thusly, were too thin to run the A6 and were stuck with the A5. Obviously, Apple doesn't feel the need to rush with an update to the iPod touch this year; but given that the previous generation of iPod touch was substantially more in parity with its contemporary iPhone release when it first came out, it would seem that it was another case of Apple sacrificing performance for thinness until it can find a thermally efficient processor to allow them to have their cake (make a thin device) and eat it too (make it as fast as its contemporaries). Now, they have the A7, which people keep praising for its thermal efficiency, and, as a result, the iPad mini is able to be in much more parity with the full-sized iPad. Is this sound? Obviously, Apple isn't clarifying this.
So, what I'm getting here (and someone please feel free to disprove this) is that the A6 chips (the A6X in the 4th Generation iPad included in this) was seriously powerful and a very respectable step forward (in terms of speed, if nothing else) from the A5, but it was/is thermally inefficient, which is why it was left out of the first generation iPad mini (and thusly why the first generation iPad mini wasn't in parity with the fourth generation iPad with CPUs the way this generation of iPad Air is with this new generation of iPad mini with retina) and the fifth generation iPod touch. Both of those, prior to the October event, were the thinnest iOS devices out there and thusly, were too thin to run the A6 and were stuck with the A5. Obviously, Apple doesn't feel the need to rush with an update to the iPod touch this year; but given that the previous generation of iPod touch was substantially more in parity with its contemporary iPhone release when it first came out, it would seem that it was another case of Apple sacrificing performance for thinness until it can find a thermally efficient processor to allow them to have their cake (make a thin device) and eat it too (make it as fast as its contemporaries). Now, they have the A7, which people keep praising for its thermal efficiency, and, as a result, the iPad mini is able to be in much more parity with the full-sized iPad. Is this sound? Obviously, Apple isn't clarifying this.
You really have to call him a liar? Why would he lie? He probably has a defective product. That's just going to result in him being annoyed.
What are you talking about? Or you are confused and mistake iPads for early rMBPs.
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He was talking about the 5S, and it's well known that it crashes now and then...
To say it doesn't seem likely would be optimistic. Bigger battery with same longevity as the original doesn't speak to it having an IGZO display. Oh well. There's always next year.
I didn't claim anything as, as yet, nothing is known of the Mini in this regard, unlike of the Air / 5s.
I stated the Mini is unlikely to have throttling similar to that of the 5s. The reason for this is simple: it has a lot more space to distribute the heat to, unlike the 5s. The truth will very soon be revealed in another throttling-specific Anandtech review.
Haha I don't know why so many people are questioning whether they made the right choice with the mini. I personally don't even want the rather massive iPad Air...I want a tablet I can hold without feeling like it's a textbook (2 hand use)
There is no evidence that I've seen, so far, at least, but I think it would be quite obvious that the implementation was absolutely possible in the Mini and Air, because they made it happen with the 5S and that would be the most difficult to do. They're absolutely holding off until next years model because this years model already has "enough" features to sell well.
I for one am actually slightly relieved with it having a normal home button. I'm looking forward to being able to swipe to unlock on my iPad still
Many "full-sized" iPad users have simply never used a iPad Mini but for most of them it is the better product. They just keep trying to justify not getting it because the "full-sized" iPad was the "flag-ship" device. But it's not anymore, and if you would be totally fine with the iPad Mini's uses (meaning you don't mind the still rather large 7.9 inch screen) then it is my opinion that you are an idiot for trying to convince yourself you need the Air
Lol I think it's hilarious. I mean at least the previous iPad's could boast the "x" processor but now literally the 5S, retina iPad-Mini and iPad Air are all just about the same power. The only difference is screen size between most all of the devices (and 8mp camera for the iPhone).
Granted next year when they release the iPad Maxi that is likely to have the 8x chip or something and will become the new flagship with substantially better performance than the Air. But until then, it seems all of their products are roughly equivalent.
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I completely agree, and my 5S is the same (us picky people) - but it's totally iOS7 not the chip. It will be even worse on the iPad's version of iOS though, that's for sure. Looking forward to it
I've said this in many other posts, but I can't wait for them to fix the endless amount of bugs in iOS7....like who needs iOS8....just realize iOS7.5 as it should have been released at launch..with no bugs.
I am typing this on the new iPad Air in my signature. I went from an iPad 3 to an iPad mini, and now back to full size with the iPad Air. Main reason is that for my use case, I appreciate the larger size. My use case is attached to a logitech keyboard cover 8 hours a day at work as my, ironically enough, Windows 8 laptop which sits next to my Macbook Air. I RDP into a virtual machine running the company's accounting software and do everything else on the Mac. With the mini, the keyboard is simply too cramped to be productive, but with the Air, the keyboard is very good. The reason I do this is because I travel extensively and using RDP software (Microsoft's newly released RDP client is great and has simplified this a lot for me, and made it cheaper!!) I have a truly best of both worlds scenario, as long as I have a good keyboard to pair with iPad. I get flawless iOS, OSX, and Windows (even though I hate using it) running well in an extremely portable and high performance package, that weighs half of what even my 11" Macbook Air does!!
I did absolutely love the mini's size and portability, and if I were using it as "just a tablet" I would definitely choose the 2nd gen. retina over the Air.
Just wanted to give you a bit more perspective. Many, many people actually prefer the 9.7" screen over the 7.9" and it most often has to do with either informed, logical reasons like mine or simply personal choice, not ignorance or ego massaging justification.
Agree with your comments on iOS 7 though - it needs extensive memory optimisation/leakage fixes above all else, as well as a long list of bug fixes and UI graphic optimisation. How can it be that my iPad can zip through Infinity Blade 3 without skipping a frame, but stutters on a basic UI zoom effect whenever I four-finger pinch to exit an app. The iPad version of iOS 7 is the worst. I mean it even says "Ringer silent" when I toggle the hardware mute switch as if it were an iPhone. Talk about unpolished!