Technical analysis on iOS planned obsolescence

Discussion in 'iOS 9' started by bcodemz, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. Radon87000 macrumors 604

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    So we get about 2 months to enjoy a proper product before the cycle restarts...
     
  2. thed0g macrumors regular

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    What kind of excuse for a company is that ?

    If I'm using software version A and am happy with it, then company who issued A states publicly that version B will perform better (which isn't the case) and I'm forbidden to downgrade to A, what else do we compare it to ? Hypothetical version B in the undisclosed future which exists in your mind?

    And BTW to further display that your logic is dumb - 8.x when released didn't stutter as iOS 9, not in any further releases.
     
  3. I7guy macrumors Core

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    Based on past history some think the "best" release of iOS is in June although iOS 9, imo, in general was the best release in years. 8.x while I didn't really have much issue on my 5s, it wasn't great on my iPad 2 to put it mildly.
     
  4. Radon87000 macrumors 604

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    The best release of iOS is the family version the device shipped with.Upgrading results in lag.ipad Mini 1 was as fast my iPad Air 2 on iOS 6 as is iPhone 4S until Apple crippled both those devices
     
  5. alp00 macrumors newbie

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    I don't think bcodemz will get a reply to the question on this forum as most people just say ios 8 or 9 is a good release, if you can't get beyond ios 9 is slower than ios 6 or 7 then you won't look for reasons.
    Heres a few thoughts :
    Ios 8 and 9 have more security in them and I think they are more encrypted than previous versions, also features like continuity must run in the background.
    I personally think Apple have rushed out new features, but I don't know enough to say why scrolling or say opening the phone app or the calculator is slower. I agree it looks bad when the screen stutters.
    There will be certain background processes which will have become bigger or use more cpu time. Something must be taking up cpu time because I agree that the task of say typing on a keyboard or opening a folder is the same as before.
     
  6. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    Hey Apple, if you want to prove yourself a company super friendly with environment, then DON'T imply users to upgrade their products that frequently, cause producing every new device will eventually harm the environment. The more we produce, the more old devices we will need to throw away, and in turn, environment will becomes worse.

    My 2 cents.
     
  7. QuickDraw macrumors regular

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    I suggest not getting a career in technical analysis. Good luck though if you do.


     
  8. nj1266 macrumors 6502a

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    The trick is not to update immediately to the newest iOS. Just wait until the x.4 edition and then upgrade. This way you can have a year between upgrades.

    Another option is to jailbreak your device and remove all animations using speed intensifier. This makes it lightening fast. I am jailbroken on 9.0.2 and I have almost a perfect iPhone 6.

    The final option is to get an Android Nexus phone. I read great things about the 6P. You can get timely updates and have an open platform to boot.
     
  9. nj1266, Nov 8, 2015
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    Don't believe what corporations tell you. If you have been using iOS for a while, then you should know by now that the first version of the new iOS is not refined. This has been the case since iOS 7. If you want refinement, then do not update to the first iOS release. Wait until x.3-x.4 and then update. Apple does not force you to update. You have a choice. I stayed on a jailbroken 8.4 until there was a jailbreak for 9.0.2 and then I upgraded. That saved me a lot of frustration and hand wringing.

    You are given a short window of time to downgrade. Once you upgraded to 9.0 and did not like it, you can still downgrade until Apple stops signing the old iOS. I upgraded to 9.1 to see if it is any better than 9.0.2. It wasn't. So I downgraded both my iPhone 6 and Mini 2 to 9.0.2 and jailbroke them.

    Unfortunately iOS is no longer a refined product when introduced. You have to wait for the x.x updates to get refinement. This is the new way Apple does things. If you do not like it, then vote with your wallet and get another platform. I read great thing about the Nexus 6P. Try it.
     
  10. cjmillsnun macrumors 68020

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    Oh come on. Windows 7 has something called Aero. It's display graphics are far more complex than the flat Windows 8 and 10. They include 3D effects and translucency.
    You miss one of the biggest gripes about every new iOS version.. Battery life sucks compared to the last point release of the older version.
    Bugs. Pure and simple. Apple's software testing is mainly skewed towards newer hardware. I'm guessing that the iPhone 4S got less testing and optimisation than the iPhone. Most of the bugs get squashed in the point releases.

    See above Battery life is a huge gripe with new releases on old devices.

    If the keyboard was the only process running, then you'd have a point. But it isn't.
    No sh*t sherlock. These devices were new on iOS 5.

    complete wibble.
     
  11. pika2000 macrumors 603

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    Actually, Apple devices hold so much value that I still see iPhone 4 and 4S in second hand market, even in Japan. At least they are desirable. Compare that to Samsung that flooded the market with cheap plastic phones that nobody wants.
     
  12. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    Well. I still have an iPhone 4, with back glass shattered. ;) don't know if someone would like to have it.

    But yeah, even it is super slow, it is still usable (updated to iOS 7.1.2). Unfortunately battery cannot last for long. I can barely use it for about 2 hours without charging. This is not acceptable.
     
  13. I7guy macrumors Core

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    What isn't acceptable, that a 5+ year old li-ion battery perform like new? Or is the battery new and your phones battery performs poorly.
     
  14. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    Well. Sorry for that first.
    Then, what I think it is not acceptable, is the phone can only run two hours, with light use under current battery. This means I need to recharge it several times a day and I need to carry a battery pack for emergency use.
     
  15. Radon87000 macrumors 604

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    I think Apple charges very less for battery replacements.You should look into it
     
  16. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    Very less? Hmm.
    Anyway, I leave it there for my secondary device and receive SMS from another number.
     
  17. cjmillsnun macrumors 68020

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    How old is your phone? Batteries have a limited life. Get a new battery from eBay and replace it.
     
  18. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    Probably three or four years.
    Now I have no desire to replace the battery, cause this is no longer my main phone.
     
  19. sziehr macrumors 6502a

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    I do not think it is so much planned to go obsolete as it was optimized to the extreme for that version of ios. This has been there secret to having such high margins. The people who said oh i am ok with my 6 not having 2 gigs of ram are just plain full of it. There was no reason that the 6 should have not just shipped to 2 gigs of ram. This is how apple makes your device useless. They release the device right on the razor edge of being underpowered. This has changed in the iPad line with the air getting 2 gigs of ram it has legs to keep on going. The iPad pro having 4 gigs of ram even longer legs. The iPhone could use even more ram that is clear. The OS is not bloated it is just feature rich. The more features you add on the more resources you need. If you were starting from 88% max used to run and add more resources you will have a poor user experience in the future. Is this to make you buy a new phone you better believe it.

    This will not end any time soon. This also is partly our fault we ant the fastest and smoothest experience. I know people who use a 4s and are happy with it. They are getting updates and they are staying secure compared to android people who are wide open to a number of well documented tactics. So it is perspective.

    I do not fault the coders so much as i fault the hardware team. The hardware team could free up the bottle necks like ram early on with out giving up much.
     
  20. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    That is a really good point. Hardware is driving the bus.
     
  21. Risco macrumors 68000

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    I never understand this, it is very simple, don't upgrade. You have to draw the line somewhere otherwise technology would never move forward.
     
  22. cynics macrumors G4

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    I notice #1 in the phone app, my thumb can move faster then recent calls can update so I end up calling the wrong person. Happened on my 4, 4S and now with iOS 9 on my 5S.

    Seriously, why would the phone app slow down?
     
  23. thed0g macrumors regular

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    Except that RAM isn't a hail mary for bad OS optimization. RAM is beneficial in storing the apps in cache longer without reloading. But that's it. Now lets take iOS 9, system and apps. Did apps get bigger and more RAM hungrier ? No, actually they slimmed them down with app-slicing, so no extra resources aren't on device then needed. App indexing existed before, so did Siri. iOS really isn't a feature rich OS such as Android, specially because each app can run a persistent background service if it wishes, nor is it bloaty with garbage collection.
     
  24. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    Does app slicing affect RAM or just MEM? My understanding it was to minimize the load/install size of apps be excluding the pieces that don't apple to your OS/Hardware.
     
  25. thed0g macrumors regular

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    It sure doesn't ADD UP to more memory usage if you get what I mean. Stating that iOS 9 suddenly can't keep up with 1 GB, while 8 did has no solid grounds. Especially considering they were full of it how optimized it'll be.
     

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