Terrible response times on the new MacBook pro 2021,can u feel it in daily usage ?

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

So apparently the new mbp have horrendous response times (tho they have always had ) ,which makes the 120hz kinda silly because of it
Here is a link and a video review from a professional:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1460927479342936064

For non gaming usage ,do u feel it ,when scrolling ,moving windows and elements around ? Trailing,ghosting,blur

 

[Successful Sorcerer]

That movie is just nonsense, not 120 fps and there are so many camera and codec variables in play. It doesn’t look anything at all like that. In all cases I used it it looks great, that doesn’t mean there can’t be any issues with it, just I didn’t experience any. Best would be if you can take a look in real life somewhere like an Apple store.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

That movie is just nonsense, not 120 fps and there are so many camera and codec variables in play. It doesn’t look anything at all like that. In all cases I used it it looks great, that doesn’t mean there can’t be any issues with it, just I didn’t experience any. Best would be if you can take a look in real life somewhere like an Apple store.

You should have a look at the video linked ,not just the short 20s video thing

In apple store it didn't look so bad tbf,but I didn't try it for days hence why I'm asking

 

[playtech1]

I don't notice it, but equally I don't feel like the image is as rock solid in motion as other 100Hz / 144Hz screens that I have used, so it's fine (to my eyes), but not excellent.

EDIT: just to add that the screen is otherwise fantastic

 

[nudoru]

From what I've heard, apps have to support 120hz refresh rates. Currently, Safari doesn't. In my usage, I don't notice this at all - at worse it's the same as my last laptop, at best it's nice and buttery. I use the terminal at lot, and I've never seen it do this.

 

[Jetcat3]

The response times are horrendous, no other way to put it.

 

[fa8362]

No. Not even close. No issues whatsoever.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

No. Not even close. No issues whatsoever.

Great.i fear that once again,those With knowledge will suffer the most

 

[synergize]

No problem with mine either. I don't have the charging buzz or feel it when the MBook is connected to power, from another thread today!

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

No problem with mine either. I don't have the charging buzz or feel it when the MBook is connected to power, from another thread today!

This isn't a problem that a few have,everyone has it

It's just whether it bothers u or not
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[synergize]

This isn't a problem that a few have,everyone has it

It's just whether it bothers u or not
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Oh okay, thanks. Must have very slow eyeball response time, it does not bug me at all.

 

[jabbr]

Apparently the 16” is slower than the 14”, according to notebookCheck. White-to-Black response time.

I have no issue with how the 14”looks, faster would be nice but it’s not that bad.

 

[Diesel79]

Interesting. I’ll keep an eye on this thread.

 

[Sanpete]

If you've ever had an Apple laptop, it's like that. Hasn't changed in that way. Doesn't bother me, but it does others. Only you would know if it bothers you.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Apparently the 16” is slower than the 14”, according to notebookCheck. White-to-Black response time.

I have no issue with how the 14”looks, faster would be nice but it’s not that bad.

Within a margin of error or like really slower ?

Did notebook check publish their 16" review ?could I have a link ?

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I know it is , but usually when increasing the refresh rate ,you should decrease the réponse times accordingly.what surprises me is that not only didn't apple Lower then because of double the frames,but they actually INCREASED the response times by rather big amount (for ascending number ) ,which is purely ridiculous.

If you've ever had an Apple laptop, it's like that. Hasn't changed in that way. Doesn't bother me, but it does others. Only you would know if it bothers y

 

[fa8362]

This isn't a problem that a few have,everyone has it

It's just whether it bothers u or not
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It obviously doesn't bother those who don't perceive it...and it has nothing to do with knowledge.

 

[cjbriare]

You're looking at the display wrong

 

[Sanpete]

I know it is , but usually when increasing the refresh rate ,you should decrease the réponse times accordingly.what surprises me is that not only didn't apple Lower then because of double the frames,but they actually INCREASED the response times by rather big amount (for ascending number ) ,which is purely ridiculous.

They didn't increase it, it's about the same. It's always been higher than the time between frames, at least since the MBPs have been at 60Hz.

NotebookCheck seems uncertain of their measurements and had put question marks by them, but here are the links.

Apple MacBook Pro 16 2021 M1 Pro in Review - The best Multimedia Laptop for Content Creators?

Notebookcheck reviews the new Apple MacBook Pro 16 with the M1 Pro SoC, Liquid Retina XDR Mini-LED display and 1 TB SSD.

www.notebookcheck.net

Apple MacBook Pro 14 2021 M1 Pro Laptop in Review: How much "Pro" do you get with the base model?

Notebookcheck reviews the brand-new Apple MacBook Pro 14 with the M1 Pro CPU, 16 GB RAM, Liquid Retina XDR-Display with 120 Hz and improved speakers.

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

You're looking at the display wrong

Tell me ?

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

It obviously doesn't bother those who don't perceive it...and it has nothing to do with knowledge.

I'm not counting myself in knowledgeable people,but those who know about displays and how they work surely get more bothered by such defects and problems.

 

[cababah]

Is this going to be one of those things that nobody notices and then they read an article or watch a video and all of a sudden start suffering?

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

They didn't increase it, it's about the same. It's always been higher than the time between frames, at least since the MBPs have been at 60Hz.

NotebookCheck seems uncertain of their measurements and had put question marks by them, but here are the links.

Apple MacBook Pro 16 2021 M1 Pro in Review - The best Multimedia Laptop for Content Creators?

Notebookcheck reviews the new Apple MacBook Pro 16 with the M1 Pro SoC, Liquid Retina XDR Mini-LED display and 1 TB SSD.

www.notebookcheck.net

Apple MacBook Pro 14 2021 M1 Pro Laptop in Review: How much "Pro" do you get with the base model?

Notebookcheck reviews the brand-new Apple MacBook Pro 14 with the M1 Pro CPU, 16 GB RAM, Liquid Retina XDR-Display with 120 Hz and improved speakers.

www.notebookcheck.net

Afaik there had never been 90-100ms réponse times.worse there has been was 55-60 lol
Thanks for the links man

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Is this going to be one of those things that nobody notices and then they read an article or watch a video and all of a sudden start suffering?

I wasn't sure but it seems so.as for many things,you don't really notice them before you're being told about .or you do notice but it doesn't bother you because you think that's how it is,should be,always have been,whateverr

 

[figbash]

It's a little noticeable but it isn't even remotely as bad as my 2019 16", so if you're ok with that screen you'll love this one. I can honestly barely stand to use my 2019 anymore, and it always bothered me, this is a huge improvement at least. My 2014 15" is noticeably better than both of them response wise though (but certainly not image quality wise!)

I played a few hours of Metro Exodus, Dusk, Inside, and Cuphead and I would say while it's not gaming monitor levels of response time it's fine for games, it's similar to my 4K Dell IPS non-gaming monitor. There is certainly room for improvement in future models though.

I have attached a video of my own terminal recorded using an iPhone 13 pro at at 240FPS slow mo, this is from a 16" M1 Pro with ProMotion active.