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Any snide remark about someone holding onto outdated technology can be turned around and made into an equally snide remark about someone who latches onto every new fad because "newer is better". The so-called "fashionista", "futurist", "yuppy" who is walking around in his moon suit and proclaiming every year that cryonics and flying cars will be here next year. So Advantage:zero for both sides.

P.S.: Since we are so into the future, can we all agree that Apple should replace their old, outdated Lightning ports with the newer and therefore better USB-C?
That one, having no professional engineering experience or in depth knowledge of Apple’s vision and roadmap, I totally agree with.
 
Nothing was wrong with the MagSafe connection, just the stupid cables.

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i promise you these aren't setup photos in attempt to make it look worse than it really is.. they're exactly real life conditions and i'm always having to make sure my laptop /cord is in a certain position to get a charge.. also, the magsafe connector is spring loaded and will jam up.. i have to buy a new one about once per year.. judging by my third picture, that time is coming up (although the laptop itself will be replaced soon instead of the power cord).. it will start smoking eventually due to the shorting/flakey connection..

i get it that if these things are always used in calm/clean/controlled environments then you may have better luck with them but bring them into a fast paced environment (or in my case, a fast-paced manufacturing environment) and your idea about how good magSafe is will likely change relatively quick..

if you're worried about tripping on the cord and crashing the machine to the floor, coil up the slack near the connection.. you'll then have to trip on the cord and drag it 8' before it snags the laptop.. bonus tip-- this works with all sorts of other tools/machines/plug-in-stuff too.. ;)
 
First off, Star Trek with Patrick Stewart was the best.

That said: we do need functioning keyboards; most of the world still uses USB-A drives (including the iPhone’s Lightning cable); I’m sure most people still need dongles or hubs; the touchbar is an expensive addition most people could live without; and MagSafe is important enough to Apple that they still haven’t released the patent which at the very least could save a lot of *other* laptops, wired headphones, and other corded devices. And upgradeability would be pretty sweet.

You don’t have a problem with losing that? Great! Many of the rest of us do. Your patronizing isn’t going to make us want or need these things any less.
I am equally serious and jesting here AND most of them including this gentleman sound like a kid throwing a tantrum. USBC is actually amazing and in order to restore MagSafe they’d have to break standard. Not gonna happen and brother (I assume) I. LOVE. MAGSAFE. And I am pretty sure I dig this USBC direction more.

Patrick Stewart is the man. I’ve seen TNG and DS9 (before I found actual life purpose) fully in order probably 3 times. I love em all. Brooks, Mulgrew, and I ****ing love DISCO. Love it.

And yeah I’m with you on upgradability. It would be swell. And I can see why it’s not an option with Apple’s current goals, which I am so far between tolerant and enthusiastic about. I use a couple dongles. They don’t freak me out.
 
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i promise you these aren't setup photos in attempt to make it look worse than it really is.. they're exactly real life conditions and i'm always having to make sure my laptop /cord is in a certain position to get a charge.. also, the magsafe connector is spring loaded and will jam up.. i have to buy a new one about once per year.. judging by my third picture, that time is coming up (although the laptop itself will be replaced soon instead of the power cord).. it will start smoking eventually due to the shorting/flakey connection..

i get it that if these things are always used in calm/clean/controlled environments then you may have better luck with them but bring them into a fast paced environment (or in my case, a fast-paced manufacturing environment) and your idea about how good magSafe is will likely change relatively quick..

if you're worried about tripping on the cord and crashing the machine to the floor, coil up the slack near the connection.. you'll then have to trip on the cord and drag it 8' before it snags the laptop.. bonus tip-- this works with all sorts of other tools/machines/plug-in-stuff too.. ;)
We have the original MagSafe. I agree that it has difficulty charging, especially as it has gotten older. I always have to check the connection to verify that the charge light is on. I often have to disconnect and reconnect a couple of times before it begins charging (both of our mbps do this).
 
Would be nice to mention as well that Dell XPS 15" is almost 50% cheaper. There is no place for similar issues for bloody expensive MBP.

Bloatware, lower build quality (debatable), and lack of ecosystem services largely explains the lower price tag.
 
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i promise you these aren't setup photos in attempt to make it look worse than it really is.. they're exactly real life conditions and i'm always having to make sure my laptop /cord is in a certain position to get a charge.. also, the magsafe connector is spring loaded and will jam up.. i have to buy a new one about once per year.. judging by my third picture, that time is coming up (although the laptop itself will be replaced soon instead of the power cord).. it will start smoking eventually due to the shorting/flakey connection..

i get it that if these things are always used in calm/clean/controlled environments then you may have better luck with them but bring them into a fast paced environment (or in my case, a fast-paced manufacturing environment) and your idea about how good magSafe is will likely change relatively quick..

if you're worried about tripping on the cord and crashing the machine to the floor, coil up the slack near the connection.. you'll then have to trip on the cord and drag it 8' before it snags the laptop.. bonus tip-- this works with all sorts of other tools/machines/plug-in-stuff too.. ;)
This is a great point about theory v practice w MagSafe. Thanks for the reality check.
 
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i promise you these aren't setup photos in attempt to make it look worse than it really is.. they're exactly real life conditions and i'm always having to make sure my laptop /cord is in a certain position to get a charge.. also, the magsafe connector is spring loaded and will jam up.. i have to buy a new one about once per year.. judging by my third picture, that time is coming up (although the laptop itself will be replaced soon instead of the power cord).. it will start smoking eventually due to the shorting/flakey connection..

i get it that if these things are always used in calm/clean/controlled environments then you may have better luck with them but bring them into a fast paced environment (or in my case, a fast-paced manufacturing environment) and your idea about how good magSafe is will likely change relatively quick..

if you're worried about tripping on the cord and crashing the machine to the floor, coil up the slack near the connection.. you'll then have to trip on the cord and drag it 8' before it snags the laptop.. bonus tip-- this works with all sorts of other tools/machines/plug-in-stuff too.. ;)

I went through so many magsafe chargers(cables fraying mostly) it did not make sense. I am happy with this trade off so I can by a 20 dollar cable instead of 70-90 dollar power brick.
 
I went through so many magsafe chargers(cables fraying mostly) it did not make sense. I am happy with this trade off so I can by a 20 dollar cable instead of 70-90 dollar power brick.
Wait... I don’t get it... it’s like... you’re not emotionally attached to an older technology and can clearly see its benefits and drawbacks alike...
 




Lee went even further and tested six laptops equipped with an i9 from various manufacturers. Unsurprisingly, thicker laptops with better cooling did outperform thinner laptops, including the MacBook Pro. The Alienware 17 R4, Acer Helios 500, and Asus G703 (all very thick) saw higher average clock loads.

The Dell XPS 15 and the Zenbook Pro were right on par with the 2018 MacBook Pro. None of the laptops tested beat the MacBook Pro when it came to noise level though, with the MacBook Pro winning out as the quietest of the bunch. Lee says that overall, the Core i9 MacBook Pro is performing the way that a 6-core MacBook Pro should, but he wishes Apple had engineered a better thermal solution for the i9.

Article Link: Tests Confirm Apple's Throttling Fix Improves Performance for 2018 MacBook Pro Models [Updated]

Glad to see Apple fix this.

It wasn't the only issue I had with the new 2018 MBP, but it was a serious one on a performance oriented pro laptop costing as much as $4000-$6000... Wish it hadn't slipped past Apple's QC in the first place.

I'm still holding out in hopes that we may see a BTO option that doesn't sacrifice key travel so much. Tried a new one, just as uncomfortable (for me) as the previous one. I know, I'm typing on it wrong .. sigh. I just can't justify paying so much for a laptop that isn't going to be comfortable for me to use w/o lugging around a giant "dongle" in the shape of a keyboard. Yay, it's as thin as a manilla envelope, but I have to carry a keyboard around too? Wish Apple could find the courage to offer one laptop that wasn't thin to the point of sacrificing function (maximum performance, repairability, comfort while using the primary input device). Now, *that* would be Insanely Great.
 
Glad to see Apple fix this.

I'm still holding out in hopes that we may see a BTO option that doesn't sacrifice key travel so much.

Again, Apple didn't really fix it much other than damage control, IMO it's wrong that so many people online, that knows the issue in depth, go around spreading the info that it's all fixed now...not quite, and not quite as people are claiming it to be. And again with the keyboard, dude we can all hope and wish, but we're surely not gonna see a BTO like that, not even in your wildest dreams, not gonna see a BTO anti-glare screen or BTO non-touchbar either (for this model/era at least) that's it ! Steve Jobs is dead. RIP.
 
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i promise you these aren't setup photos in attempt to make it look worse than it really is.. they're exactly real life conditions and i'm always having to make sure my laptop /cord is in a certain position to get a charge.. also, the magsafe connector is spring loaded and will jam up.. i have to buy a new one about once per year.. judging by my third picture, that time is coming up (although the laptop itself will be replaced soon instead of the power cord).. it will start smoking eventually due to the shorting/flakey connection..

i get it that if these things are always used in calm/clean/controlled environments then you may have better luck with them but bring them into a fast paced environment (or in my case, a fast-paced manufacturing environment) and your idea about how good magSafe is will likely change relatively quick..

if you're worried about tripping on the cord and crashing the machine to the floor, coil up the slack near the connection.. you'll then have to trip on the cord and drag it 8' before it snags the laptop.. bonus tip-- this works with all sorts of other tools/machines/plug-in-stuff too.. ;)

First your DC-In board needs to be replaced ASAP! You also have metal shavings in the socket. Bring your system into someone who fixes Mac's or checkout IFIXIT.com to find your system to do it your self! It's not that hard.

Lack of care is what I see here! Take a read of this Apple TN https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203207
 
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First your DC-In board needs to be replaced ASAP! You also have metal shavings in the socket. Bring your system into someone who fixes Mac's or checkout IFIXIT.com to find your system to do it your self! It's not that hard.

Lack of care is what I see here! Take a read of this Apple TN https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203207
yep, i know. i’m using it wrong.

but i’m glad the next MBP model i buy will allow me to use it wrong more reliably.


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I am equally serious and jesting here AND most of them including this gentleman sound like a kid throwing a tantrum. USBC is actually amazing and in order to restore MagSafe they’d have to break standard. Not gonna happen and brother (I assume) I. LOVE. MAGSAFE. And I am pretty sure I dig this USBC direction more.

Patrick Stewart is the man. I’ve seen TNG and DS9 (before I found actual life purpose) fully in order probably 3 times. I love em all. Brooks, Mulgrew, and I ****ing love DISCO. Love it.

And yeah I’m with you on upgradability. It would be swell. And I can see why it’s not an option with Apple’s current goals, which I am so far between tolerant and enthusiastic about. I use a couple dongles. They don’t freak me out.

How do you get to that position?

There are ways to get the functionality of the MagSafe without interfering with the USB-C ports. No one is saying it needs to be exactly the same port as we had in the past.

As an example, the Back USB ports could be submerged a bit to allow a breakaway plug fixture to be slid in so its flush to the case then using the same magnetic mount concept to the charger cord.

It's the outside of the box thinking Apple was famous for that has given up the ghost in the MacBook Pro case design. Steve was a detail person, the details are drifting away.
 
Again, Apple didn't really fix it much other than damage control, IMO it's wrong that so many people online, that knows the issue in depth, go around spreading the info that it's all fixed now...not quite, and not quite as people are claiming it to be. And again with the keyboard, dude we can all hope and wish, but we're surely not gonna see a BTO like that, not even in your wildest dreams, not gonna see a BTO anti-glare screen or BTO non-touchbar either (for this model/era at least) that's it ! Steve Jobs is dead. RIP.

Perhaps "fix" is the wrong word, and I agree.

Glad to see Apple "address" this somehow other than "you're using it wrong".

And I agree, it's doubtful that unless Apple sees enough people not buying due to the KB comfort, they'll offer what I need them to to justify the price of a new MBP. Hope my 2012 non-retina keeps chugging along for a while.
 
No, I fully understand the situation. One of the links show the XPS throttling down to 0.78 Ghz. Tell me how is that behaving "as good as "fixed" MBP"? So far a "fixed" MBP has been maintaining around base clock under 100% load. Your statements are blatantly false.

The Alienware you're talking about also suffer from throttling issues, despite the thicker chassis and heavier cooling solutions. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-i9-8950hk-gtx-1080-but-still-like-it.816635/

Care to try again with your statements?

"MBP has been maintaining around base clock under 100% load." This is not a well defined test. The processor has different instruction sets (like AVX, AVX2 etc.). These affect CPU differently (in terms of performance, temperature etc.). So the nature of the "load" will depend on which instructions the test application(s) actually use. That's why to compare Dell to MBP we need to have the same test. And for the same test, this article says the two laptops performed "on par".
 
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i promise you these aren't setup photos in attempt to make it look worse than it really is.. they're exactly real life conditions and i'm always having to make sure my laptop /cord is in a certain position to get a charge.. also, the magsafe connector is spring loaded and will jam up.. i have to buy a new one about once per year.. judging by my third picture, that time is coming up (although the laptop itself will be replaced soon instead of the power cord).. it will start smoking eventually due to the shorting/flakey connection..

i get it that if these things are always used in calm/clean/controlled environments then you may have better luck with them but bring them into a fast paced environment (or in my case, a fast-paced manufacturing environment) and your idea about how good magSafe is will likely change relatively quick..

if you're worried about tripping on the cord and crashing the machine to the floor, coil up the slack near the connection.. you'll then have to trip on the cord and drag it 8' before it snags the laptop.. bonus tip-- this works with all sorts of other tools/machines/plug-in-stuff too.. ;)
All of these sound like issues with the crappy cable I always have problems with, not the connector. Either that or the unreliable security protocol, which also I hate (it's frickin DC power that they seem to have added DRM to).

With the exception of the rusty contacts. I don't know how that can happen cause I've never seen anyone with that issue, but even if it can, why would USB-C be less prone to rust?
 
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Wait... I don’t get it... it’s like... you’re not emotionally attached to an older technology and can clearly see its benefits and drawbacks alike...

The part that did MagSafe in was the lack of a replaceable cable! I was always surprised Apple didn't do a connector on the power brick so the cable could just be replaced by the person when the cable wore-out. Thats one thing I do like with the new USB-C power bricks.

Throwing the baby out with the bath water is just dumb!

Understanding what needed correction and fixing it was where Apple failed us with the original MagSafe.

You clearly haven't thought of the cost of repairing your brand new MacBook Pro here! Wait for it... wait... The display alone will cost you $700!! The keyboard and the logic board is even higher out of warranty!

So is the idea of a quick disconnect a good idea? You betcha! The 3rd party solutions are just so so. Apple shouldn't have left us without a solution within the system.
 
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