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I’m torn on this. I had first amendment concerns too. But I’ve been watching those shows about predator sting operations lately, and lots of minors are on these dating apps with pedophiles going after them. It’s scary. I’m sure there are safeguards that can be implemented that don’t go as far as this law is saying.
 
I disagree with this. Those under 18 cannot legally enter into a contract, which is what social media dn purchase agreements are, especially if a subscription is involved.

I do not believe that any child should have a phone until 16. They have have a smartwatch at 9-10, and no social media until 18.

… And no access to a computer until they're 18?
 
how about gov stop trying to put their hands into the App Store and let Apple run it how they want to? yes?
It’s not about “age verification,” it’s about identity verification, which is what they want to have greater control over everything and everyone on the internet regardless of age. They don’t care about the kids or the apps. They just want to silence some groups of people over others to control the public narrative.
 
As a parent this is a great law! Kudos to Texas for passing this and its unfortunate the federal government is holding it up. By enforcing age on the app store level (or device, when I setup my device for my child), I can ensure my child will only get approved experiences.
No it isn’t. Like the porn site laws, it forces everyone of legal age to identify themselves in a database that can be hacked. And why? Apple App store doesn’t allow “mature” content and when it slips through, it is removed.
 
No it isn’t. Like the porn site laws, it forces everyone of legal age to identify themselves in a database that can be hacked. And why? Apple App store doesn’t allow “mature” content and when it slips through, it is removed.
I sense your hesitation about telling someone who you are before you start browsing porn.
 
I’m torn on this. I had first amendment concerns too. But I’ve been watching those shows about predator sting operations lately, and lots of minors are on these dating apps with pedophiles going after them. It’s scary. I’m sure there are safeguards that can be implemented that don’t go as far as this law is saying.
Oh the yanks and their amendments 😄 These amendments are cited as rights, but they're also rules. I'm sorry, but for the supposed land of the free, the fact that America is the most litigious country on earth, and amendment this and amendment that are drummed in to people more than say learning global geography shows that they need to know their rights more than a basic education. Most Australians don't know what's in their constitution, nor care, because you can live your whole life never having to bother with it.
 
The courts are ridiculous. They allow a law requiring you to be 21, and show proof, to purchase cigarettes but supposedly it’s a constitutional right for a minor child to be able to download Grindr.

Not a very good example for the courts being "ridiculous," since the ban on sales of tobacco products to anyone under 21 is a federal law created by Congress, not the courts, and the Texas law at the root of the discussion was created by the Texas legislature.

The judge found the Texas law "vague" and "overbroad," which means Texas can appeal (I'm sure they will) or rewrite it during the next session. Sounds like the judge found flaws with privacy and the notion of compelled speech implied in the law.

Most important, as others have noted in this thread, Apple already provides parents with ways to regulate what their kids have access to. If Texas wants to cut down on the possibility that a minor child would download a dating app, then maybe they should make a law that demands the parents use the tools the tech companies have already provided, and if they don't then it's the parents' fault and not Apple's or Google's.
 
In the UK, the onus is on the app/website to verify the age. They all have different methods and many use third parties which is a real privacy concern.
How does that work? How easy is it for an enterprising minor to work around?

Some laws and regulations work largely by making crime impractical/burdensome rather than impossible. In-person purchases of alcohol and tobacco products tend to involve showing I.D. (typically a driver's license, which not everybody has) in the U.S.; online sites often demand you affirm you're 18+ or put your alleged birthday in (go to Nintendo.com and try to view a game rated for 17+ as an example).

So, let's say 15-year old Clyde has a smart phone and registers it as if he is an adult (not a minor on a parent's account). I don't recall smart phones requiring an I.D. check to buy. And Clyde, knowing he'll need to pay for purchases online, goes by Walmart and loads up a debit card with a few hundred bucks, and plans to lie about his age when accessing online sites.

It may be different in the U.S. and U.K., but for either, what barriers does Clyde face getting onto a porn site? There's an old saying, 'where there's a will, there's a way,' and not every kid has the means to conveniently buy a smart phone to set up an independent account and hundreds to put on a debit card. But figure some do.

If we understand what info. is demanded and verified to thwart Clyde, perhaps that'll show what they're collecting on the rest of us.
 
As a parent this is a great law! Kudos to Texas for passing this and its unfortunate the federal government is holding it up. By enforcing age on the app store level (or device, when I setup my device for my child), I can ensure my child will only get approved experiences.
Should the burden of age proof be on the hardware manufacturer or the cell phone company? And Should every cell phone user be required to prove age.
 
Remember when parents let their kids use their iPhones and they racked up in-App purchases in games? Apple was sued and paid out millions for something the parents should have kept track of.

Nobody wants to take responsibility for anything these days.

If this became law every single instance where age verification failed would be blamed on Apple (again) and the class action lawsuits would follow.
 
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This is great in a perfect world where everyone has parents that give a hoot. Sadly, the reality is that not everyone has those parents, and, additional stop gaps are required to allow to kids be kids, not adults in young bodies.

A stopgap is a temporary solution to a problem for which a permanent solution is in sight. Do you see an upcoming day in which all kids will have parents who would use parental controls, or is that not what you meant?

In any case, I don't think that comes close to justifying sweeping rules fundamentally affecting every child and adult, including those without children.

And the Texas law primarily requires teens to have parental consent to continue to do whatever they're already doing with social networks. So I'm not sure what you even mean by "allowing kids to be kids."
 
As a parent this is a great law! Kudos to Texas for passing this and its unfortunate the federal government is holding it up. By enforcing age on the app store level (or device, when I setup my device for my child), I can ensure my child will only get approved experiences.
I agree.
100%.
This is a good law.
 
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Why is it everyone else’s job to parent other people’s children? Whats wrong with people parenting their own child? Parents are such trash these days that they can’t simply take the smartphone away from their child. It’s not like the child actually needs a smartphone anyway.
Social media literally is raising other people's kids, only without any actual monitoring or responsibility. I have done forensic exams on three suicided teen girls' electronics and each time parents wanted me to do it to help give them their answers...but what they learned only made things worse. Phones and social media (and broken schools) raise the kids, parents just feed and house them and parents are the last to learn this.
 
A stopgap is a temporary solution to a problem for which a permanent solution is in sight. Do you see an upcoming day in which all kids will have parents who would use parental controls, or is that not what you meant?

In any case, I don't think that comes close to justifying sweeping rules fundamentally affecting every child and adult, including those without children.

And the Texas law primarily requires teens to have parental consent to continue to do whatever they're already doing with social networks. So I'm not sure what you even mean by "allowing kids to be kids."
What I mean by allowing kids to be kids is self explanatory; letting them be kids and not treating them like adults. Guard rails are a fact of life increasingly in the digital world given the sinister side of it sees them as easy prey.

Laws, rules, legislation, whatever one wants to call it, is needed, not only for protection, but to provide consequences.

If the parents won’t or can’t do it, and the platform won’t do it, then let the government do it. Otherwise you’re just breeding recalcitrants.
 
“Apple says that the Texas law impacts user privacy.”

Oh please. Age verification is an age old way of appropriately delivering something, and privacy and delivery must be balanced.

If private enterprise won’t do it then the government has to. It seems Apple want the government to do it.

If you enroll your 5 year old into high school they check the kids age.

If you apply for credit they check your age.

If you buy alcohol they check your age.

If you are born they record your age.

If you die they record your age.

If you have blood tests they check your age.

Age verification isn’t the bad guy here, and it’s either a private company or the government that need to do it, so cut the crap with privacy.
There are many facets of our lives where age and background are checked. Some just require a DL, some require filling out an online form. Others require to give your history to the government such as global entry.

I have never had to submit my drivers license to a website for access. Financial transactions require verification. Alcohol and tobacco require verification. Medical visits and procedures require verification.

Many websites ask you to verify by pressing yes that you meet the age requirements. How would you feel if your posting social media could be tied back to you personally?
 
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As a parent this is a great law! Kudos to Texas for passing this and its unfortunate the federal government is holding it up. By enforcing age on the app store level (or device, when I setup my device for my child), I can ensure my child will only get approved experiences.

Are you saying you don't know how old your own child is? You need the State of Texas to force Apple to verify that?

Today — like right now — you can implement restrictions on your kid's iPhone and you don't need this law to do it nor do you need to hand off your child's information to third parties to do it.
 
I've never understood why Americans trust companies more than the government. A companies only purpose is to take as much money from you as it possibly can. The government actually needs to improve your life if they want to be re-elected.
Because of similar thinking running in the opposite direction and taking into account some nuances.

In theory, any large group entity with bureaucracy is subject to cronyism/nepotism, bloat, laziness, inefficiency, etc. This is a 'human condition' problem, not a government or private enterprise problem.

Now the question is, what forces counter-act that?

With the private sector, conservatives tend to believe free market competition for growth, stability and profit to some extent create selective pressures to counter act those forces. So, the boss may appoint his son to a managerial position, but the son had better be competent to do the job. And the sense that 'if you don't generate share holder value, your competitor will' drives innovation and 'trimming the fat.'

So it's not faith in the altruistic beneficence of private corporations; it's belief their self-interest lies in efficiently delivering quality product. Yes, there are exceptions that prove the rule, but that's the point.

You take the position that government is beholden to the electorate, and must perform likewise. That...is often not our experience. First off, a lot of the employees and positions in government offices are not elected positions; if you don't like slow service at a Dept. of Motor Vehicles, you can't just vote them out next election. You don't even know what 'party' a given employee favors. And a high level elected official won't know who they are, either. And much of the government exists outside our scope of awareness. Example: USAID. Trump's opposition to this put it in the headlines, but before his 2nd term I don't think most of us Americans knew what it was. Yeah, we had this vague, nebulous notion there was 'foreign aid,' and a meme on Facebook hoping we didn't contact life in outer space because our government would start sending them money, but most of us didn't know specifics.

So, market forces in the private sector, coupled with 'voting with your feet' for the best products (that is why you're here, not on a Windows forum, right?), are seen by conservatives as inherent and thus not requiring a lot of awareness or active action on our part. Government, on the other hand, is largely non-elected and/or out of sight/out of mind and can be inefficient and often lacks competition. There's only one federal IRS. Only one FBI. Etc. Inefficiency, ineffectiveness and waste don't necessarily doom a government organization.

Does that mean the private sector is the perfect answer to all needs? Oh, great day in the morning, of course not! There are situations where a competitive market won't be established in a cost-effective manner (e.g.: public schools in poor neighborhoods), where we have to maintain an organization (e.g.: the military) and maintain services that don't return a direct profit (e.g.: the public highway system, unless you want to charge more fees or make a lot more toll roads). And there's credible concern over some private sector operations - I hear some dislike private corporations managing prisons.

But I think you can see the answer to your question. To take your own assertion and counter it, the private sector needs to earn your money to get it, but the government does not...they can just take it.
 
Does using a VPN get around whatever measures Texas intended to have in place by making the user's true location appear to be elsewhere?
 
There are many facets of our lives where age and background are checked. Some just require a DL, some require filling out an online form. Others require to give your history to the government such as global entry.

I have never had to submit my drivers license to a website for access. Financial transactions require verification. Alcohol and tobacco require verification. Medical visits and procedures require verification.

Many websites ask you to verify by pressing yes that you meet the age requirements. How would you feel if your posting social media could be tied back to you personally?
The problem with a simple yes or no is that humans, as deceitful as they are, will tick whatever box gives them what they need. That’s not verification, nothing has been verified. If someone stole your car then answered yes when asked if it was their car, clearly no verification has taken place.

The government and every company we deal with has all the data they need to satisfy their service eligibility, anccountability, and delivery; why should social media companies be any different?
 
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