TextBlade Update: An Inside Look at Production Troubles and New Info on Shipping Estimates

[Rolanbek]

I'm getting a new TB today with all the latest stuff (new pcb board assembled in a way to eliminate any stress during assembly, new stronger keycaps).

This statement makes a claim that Waytools has not made anywhere in their literature.

You have been informed already that this is the case. If you are going to report on your most recent experience of a prototype of the 21 month late to production Textblade, please do not add false claims of your own devising.

Nowhere does WT say that they had eliminated stress. Their phrasing was "protect against" which is not the same as eliminate.

Unless your are reporting the results of a private conversation with WT employees, WT has not confirm those Flex PCB components are even at their premises for integration, and have yet to confirm unequivocally in public that any TREG unit contains them.

Have fun bashing at your most recent prototype. I am sure that it is just reward for the thousands of words of advertising you provide on WT behalf.

R

 

[dabigkahuna]

This statement makes a claim that Waytools has not made anywhere in their literature.

Okay, we'll focus on this one in this forum. They did say publicly:

"We're also deploying new fixtures on our lines that protect the flex from exposure to ANY handling stress."

So, yep, they did say they were avoiding any stress. Now, it is always possible they could be wrong, but that isn't what you said. You said they never made such a statement.

For clarity, let's look at other examples of the use of ANY.

"There aren't ANY women here" - which can not mean there are just some!

"There isn't any car in the parking lot" - likewise, that wouldn't be true if even one car is there.

So, when they say they protect the flex boards from ANY exposure to stress from handling, it means there is no handling stress during assembly. That is what they said. You might try to guess that they missed some stress somehow, but, again, your claim is about what they said. And you have no way of knowing anything else.

Unless your are reporting the results of a private conversation with WT employees, WT has not confirm those Flex PCB components are even at their premises for integration, and have yet to confirm unequivocally in public that any TREG unit contains them.

I know what they said, publicly and privately and, yep, the said they have them - and I have one of them.

 

[Rolanbek]

Okay, we'll focus on this one in this forum. They did say publicly:

"We're also deploying new fixtures on our lines that protect the flex from exposure to ANY handling stress."

So, yep, they did say they were avoiding any stress. Now, it is always possible they could be wrong, but that isn't what you said. You said they never made such a statement.

You said "Eliminate" now you say "avoiding", they said "protect". None of those things mean the same thing. Just like you to try and slide focus away with weasel words when caught out.

For clarity, let's look at other examples of the use of ANY.

"There aren't ANY women here" - which can not mean there are just some!

"There isn't any car in the parking lot" - likewise, that wouldn't be true if even one car is there.

So, when they say they protect the flex boards from ANY exposure to stress from handling, it means there is no handling stress during assembly. That is what they said. You might try to guess that they missed some stress somehow, but, again, your claim is about what they said. And you have no way of knowing anything else.

Half baked interpretive garbage. You should type: For obfuscation lets include a few confused anecdotal examples of usage to muddy things enough for casual readers to get bored.

They put a qualifier after any, and before stress which adds subtlety to their claim. Handling is not the only thing that happens to the component on the line.

You said "eliminate stress during assembly" which is blanket self contradictory claim that would mean physical movement and therefore assembly is impossible. just admit you are quoting me, not WT.

That is not a claim that WT or any rational being would make, as it is absurd.

I know what they said, publicly and privately and, yep, the said they have them - and I have one of them.

If that is your evidence, Then I have one too.

R

 

[dabigkahuna]

I use different words to make the point - dictionaries do it all the time. Just as they give examples of usage, as I did, which you claim are "confused", yet you can't actually show anything wrong with them.

And your interpretation requires qualifiers that are not there. Something like, "We tried to protect", or "we tried to minimize", or "most stress from handling", or "most exposure", etc.

Not there.

Or to go back to my examples of usage, they would need qualifiers like:

"They TRIED to keep ANY women from being here"

"There was an ATTEMPT to keep any car out of the parking lot"

 

[Rolanbek]

I use different words to make the point - dictionaries do it all the time. Just as they give examples of usage, as I did, which you claim are "confused", yet you can't actually show anything wrong with them.

I only need to point out that the words mean different things. "Eliminate any stress" can only mean zero stress on the object. "Protect from exposure to any handling stress" means a reduction in amount time stress is experienced, or that the stress is reduced in force; either reduction being of an amount ranging from the infinitesimal to total, and only from sources of stress characterised by WT as "Handling Stress".

I'll leave "avoid" as it is only mentioned during your frantic attempts at justification.

And your interpretation requires qualifiers that are not there. Something like, "We tried to protect", or "we tried to minimize", or "most stress from handling", or "most exposure", etc.

Not there.

No it doesn't. It just uses the words that are written in the manner they are written. If you feel there is an interpretation issue, then choose better words that mean the things you are trying to convey.

Or to go back to my examples of usage, they would need qualifiers like:

"They TRIED to keep ANY women from being here"

"There was an ATTEMPT to keep any car out of the parking lot"

This is a another false equivalence. In your example you qualify the action, as apposed to the amount which what is qualified in the WT quote. An elementary error. More confused thrashing and clawing at the English Language.

Just admit you misspoke (mistyped?) and that will be an end to it.

R

 

[Night Spring]

Guys, please, can you agree to disagree and let this go? I don't want this thread to be locked too.

 

[dabigkahuna]

Guys, please, can you agree to disagree and let this go? I don't want this thread to be locked too.

Sure, but as it happens, I talked to Mark today, going over latest hardware version which is what I have and how my testing was compared to what they hoped it would be (fortunately, it was good).

I took the opportunity to also ask about what they sent out recently to me and others and, as expected, since I had read what they had said before, I was right. They were the ones with the new pcb boards and keycaps.

I do have new keycap design (to make them stronger) and the new PCB assembly where they eliminated the stress. He was quite clear that they made the process such that the people on the assembly line could not flex it during assembly. He even showed me (facetime call) the parts and how the assembly process worked. The method removed all stress from assembling the pieces together.

 

[Rolanbek]

Sure, but as it happens, I talked to Mark today, going over latest hardware version which is what I have and how my testing was compared to what they hoped it would be (fortunately, it was good).

Well that speaks for either their low expectations of your testing, or their lack of skill.

I took the opportunity to also ask about what they sent out recently to me and others and, as expected, since I had read what they had said before, I was right. They were the ones with the new pcb boards and keycaps.

Evidence is where now? Still waiting for WT confirmation "unequivocally in public that any TREG unit contains them. "

I do have new keycap design (to make them stronger)

Yeah others have them now as well.

and the new PCB assembly where they eliminated the stress.

There it is again, turned off gravity in Santa Monica then?

He was quite clear that they made the process such that the people on the assembly line could not flex it during assembly.

As we expected, operator error then. Which make the whole issue one of WT failing to train operators and understand their materials.

He even showed me (facetime call) the parts and how the assembly process worked. The method removed all stress from assembling the pieces together.

If he posted it publicly as a video then that would make a good update on the forum. Using you as a human shield is a bit cowardly.

R

 

[maflynn]

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This topic seems to have run its course - closing