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Couldn't it simply be the wall socket electrocuting some of these people and not the charger? Eastern Asia has high-voltage wall sockets. One of the incidents was in a bathroom.

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Why are these incidents always happening in Asia?

The sketchy blue wall adaptor says it all.

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It isn't the voltage that kills, its the current. It only takes 100 mA (milliamps) to stop the human heart.

It takes high voltage to get 100mA through to the human heart from the skin.

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A man dies so cue racist and insensitive comments from the MR community.....

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

What racist comments? "Why does this always happen in Asia?" Well, it DOES. Sorry, the world is quite racist.
 
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What racist comments? "Why does this always happen in Asia?" Well, it DOES. Sorry, the world is quite racist.

Well, it doesn't. Go google it and you'll find people killed and injured all over the world from similar things, and many more stories of stuff blowing up but the safety systems built into our homes stopping anyone getting injured. To claim "this only happens in Asia" is just racism plain and simple.

Its always the same on these threads, people declaring you only get get fakes in Asia and pointing out they are all made in china. Well guess what? Your official apple charger is also made there, pretty much everything is made there!

Take a walk around the electronic shops in London and you'll see knock off and counterfeit stuff in a lot of them. If you dare buy something from a local market you'll be lucky if it even works half the time.

Now luckily we have better safety standards in electrical wiring than a lot of places so when these fake and cheap chargers go, they trip the RCD not you. But they are still out there and readily available.
 
Well, it doesn't. Go google it and you'll find people killed and injured all over the world from similar things, and many more stories of stuff blowing up but the safety systems built into our homes stopping anyone getting injured. To claim "this only happens in Asia" is just racism plain and simple.

OK, but MacRumors has only reported on ones in Asia. Maybe because they are the most recent ones.
 
The man appeared to be using an unauthorized third-party charger to charge his device, which often do not meet Apple's safety standards.
I think it's likely that it didn't meet any safety standards. Most of these knockoff chargers don't have UL or other basic regulatory listing, so it's no surprise if the internal design is terrible and dangerous. The ones that are actual forgeries--designed and labeled to look exactly like a legit Apple charger--are probably particularly unlikely to have anybody legit looking at the guts.

As I just wrote. There is no need to do this. All Apple really needs to detect is if the charger is supplying a voltage that is much above the expected 5 volts.
Assuming a funky, ungrounded, malfunctioning charger (maybe combined with bad house wiring) that created a situation in which the 5V common was floating at, say, 120V above earth ground, and the 5V+ was sitting at 5V above that, explain to me how the phone would have any idea that something was amiss? The phone, regardless of built-in safety, can only detect overvoltage from one pin to another. It has no idea if its own ground is floating wildly above the ground that the person holding the phone is standing on. That's why the impetus is, ultimately, on the charger to prevent weird, extreme voltages from getting to the USB cable.

There's also the issue that in a device as small as an iPhone, if you hit it with enough overvoltage (not necessarily just 240VAC, but maybe an unfiltered spike from lightning or bad utility power), there's very little the phone itself is capable of doing to prevent that from reaching its case--there's just not enough gap space to isolate it.
 
Assuming a funky, ungrounded, malfunctioning charger (maybe combined with bad house wiring) that created a situation in which the 5V common was floating at, say, 120V above earth ground, and the 5V+ was sitting at 5V above that, explain to me how the phone would have any idea that something was amiss? The phone, regardless of built-in safety, can only detect over voltage from one pin to another. ....

The short answer is to think of current, not voltage.

Here is how in theory (I don't expect it to be implemented)
Let's assume you tried to design an evil charger to "fool" a phone. It would do just as you describe but a smart enough iPhone could detect this.

The only thing the phone could do is detect a ground fault. It would have to look for an imbalance of current. In other words the iPhone asks "is the sum-total of all current in all pins exactly zero?" If not it would shut off. A non-zero net current means there is a current path some place else in addition to the charger chord, likely through the metal case to ground.

A possible design would be to wrap the entire set of conductors (grounds, shields, +5V and all) around a magnetic core. If there is any net current the core is magnetized and this is sensed with a secondary coil on the same core and then something like an SCR is opened.

Yes it would take a bunch of space, more space maybe then would fit inside a 30-pin jack. I don't know if it could be made small enough.

So in short the only bomb-proof thing I can envision is a GFCI built into the 30-pin or lightening jack. This depends on a current sense transformer and I don't know if they can be made small


OK the above works only if the over voltage is from an AC outlet. current sense transformers don't pass DC and the GFCI would not detect a large DC current leaking to ground. This is very unlikely but if the goal is being "bomb proof" and defeating even the "evil charger" I think you need to check for saturation of the transformer core. You need to add a third coil and place a (say) 1KHz signal on it. then you measure how well the signal couples, it will not if the core is saturated with DC current. Yes the iPhone is getting bigger. But in theory it could be done. So the detector places AC on the current sense transformer and monitors the signal for any change. If any change (up or down) is detected then there is a fault.

So the trick is to look at the net current in the cable and if it goes over zero take action to disconnect.
 
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"It's also possible that after selling 50 gazillion phones that this one phone was super defective."

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is probable. You can't disprove the rule by citing a theoretical exception to it. ;)

Yes, the title should include the whole truth, not a limited, misleading half-truth. ;) You are proving my point for me. Thanks...;)

I'm really not proving your point. I'm showing the titles not incorrect. Yes sthey could be more helpful. But you make it sound like you've never read a headline before. Plus, several people where incorrectly reporting the time said something else. Also, any headline with Apple or iPhone in the title tends to be sensationalized.

Since I haven't seen a police report of any kind I have no idea that it was the generic charger or a phone defect. I have many generic chargers, cables and batteries and have zero problems. I have also had zero problems.

I've actually had more problems with factory/standard chargers and batteries in my device. I've had a MacBook heat up to actually scorch the bottom of the white case (motherboard issue, at least that's where the case appeared difficult) and I've had bad batteries replaced by apple.



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Thai Electrical

RIP

Electricity in Thailand are not what most of you think. It very iffy, much is not grounded, circuits overloaded, fuses often bypassed, frequent fluctuations in current ……and a lack of knowledge by users.
 
So the trick is to look at the net current in the cable and if it goes over zero take action to disconnect.
There's still a fundamental gap in that design, though (aside from being able to effectively isolate 250VAC from the case in a device 6mm thick): It requires that the phone itself be capable of completely isolating its case from the shield of the charging cable to be safe from a crappy charger. To my knowledge even GFCI outlets don't disconnect the ground when tripped.

On one hand, having such isolation would allow the hypothetical GFCI iPhone to break the connection between the 5V Lightning/30-pin-dock-connector ground and its case in the event that current between the shield and the 0/+5V pins did not add to zero. On the other, I don't know how feasible that is, given electrical shielding and grounding requirements.

I just checked with a meter, and the shield on the Lighting cable is indeed directly connected to the USB outer shield on the other end, and that is in contact with the computer case and the iPhone case. So you should have a solid EMF shield running from the guts of the phone, through the cable, to the guts of the computer (if there is one on the end). In just about every signaling and electrical environment I've ever worked with, that's exactly what you'd expect for cable and case ground.

An Apple charger--like you'd expect from any decent USB charger--puts significant isolation between the USB shield and either AC input. In a computer case, it's of course grounded to case ground, which should be directly connected to building ground.

A crappy charger, however, could fail internally and show AC to the USB shield, which of course goes straight through to the case of the phone and becomes very dangerous--probably exactly what happened in these cases (maybe coupled with a bad building ground). It would require either an entirely different charging cable--with a non-continuous shield, if that's even possible from a noise rejection standpoint--or with some sort of fusible connection between cable ground and the chassis of the phone to prevent that situation.

It's analogous to your toaster oven or any other grounded appliance: The ground pin of the outlet is connected directly to the metal case of the device internally. So long as building ground is fine, then if something goes horribly wrong internal to the device, any excess current is dumped to ground instead of the user. But if building ground is faulty--say, it's wired to hot--then the case is going to fry whoever touches it (had an ungrounded VCR that a cat peed in with a case at +50VAC once, for example).

The iPhone's design is essentially the same, operating under the assumption that the USB shield is "safe" relative to earth ground--either floating or grounded through the computer chassis, if the device it's connected to is grounded. Having that assumption broken is so far out of design spec that it's unrealistic to design for in a device like a phone, just like most appliances aren't designed to deal with a building wiring fault of hot ground.

Which seems to be a reasonable assumption, given that they ship with a safe charger and out of the 400+ million iPhones, 75+ million iPod touches, and 100+ million iPads sold, there have been three reported deaths or very serious injuries that have made it to at least the news I read, all of which appear to have been from faulty 3rd party chargers, a serious injury rate of about 1 in 200 million devices; what percentage of those were actually being subjected to a dangerous charger is hard to guess.

For comparison, looking at statistics for dryers in the US in 2010 alone: Random electrical failure or malfunction killed about 4 people, injured 28 people, and burned down $17M worth of houses. Random mechanical problems with dryers killed 10 people, injured 77, and burned down $48 million worth of houses.
 
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Some posters who blame Apple and especially citing high adapter costs don't get how life functions.

For starters every iPhone bought new comes with a charger.

If you buy your iPhone second hand, you can buy an OEM adapter from Apple.

Even if Apple would sell adapters at only one dollar, guaranteed somebody would come along and sold one for 50 cents and guess what some people would buy.

What is also astonishing is that people think somebody MUST have an iPhone.

There are plenty of options AND if one cannot afford what one wants (vs. NEEDS)
then one should chose an alternative.

As sad as it is when somebody dies, it has to be made clear that living dangerously by buying non OEM parts is a personal responsibility issue and not Apple's issue.

We all buy non OEM parts every day, sometimes without knowing and luckily live in a country where some of that stuff is somewhat monitored.

I think the government in Thailand has other issues than checking if legit chargers are being sold or bought.

If that particular death would actually matter in that country or region, they would go after the manufacturers. Not happening!
 
Well, it doesn't. Go google it and you'll find people killed and injured all over the world from similar things, and many more stories of stuff blowing up but the safety systems built into our homes stopping anyone getting injured. To claim "this only happens in Asia" is just racism plain and simple.

Yes it does only happen in Asia where there are a plentiful supply of fakes and awful/no electrical safety standards. I googled it, and I failed to find a reference to anyone getting killed outside of Asia with an iPhone charger. The reason for this is simple: the rest of the world doesn't have masses of fake products like Asia does with its poor IP laws, and has much safer mains electricity.

So now I'm racist because I said the truth? If I made derogatory remarks about asian people in particular, such as "those Asians must be stupid, using their phones in the bath", that would be racist. Just saying something happens in a certain country/continent isn't racist, learn to dictionary. Ridiculous self righteousness over something like this just makes you look very silly.

Its always the same on these threads, people declaring you only get get fakes in Asia and pointing out they are all made in china. Well guess what? Your official apple charger is also made there, pretty much everything is made there!

Yes, but Apple ones are designed for the western world where life is valued more, where safety standards exist. In Asia (oh no, I used a landmass as a descriptor, I must be racist) the safety standards don't exist, and the mains is poorly regulated and usually not protected by fuses and RCDs.

Now luckily we have better safety standards in electrical wiring than a lot of places so when these fake and cheap chargers go, they trip the RCD not you. But they are still out there and readily available.
Places? Like Asia?
 
It would appear that that is the choice. You do get a FREE charger with the device and you don't get much cheaper than that. Basically the choice is use the safe free charger and live. You a crappy charger and risk your life. It doesn't seem to be an unreasonable choice.

You never lost anything in your life? Chargers are objects. Just like anything else. Many people have more than one charger. One at work, one at home, one in the car, one in a suitcase...etc etc. Most people whose work requires frequent traveling need more than one charger. And easily lose chargers. If no one needed extra chargers, Apple wouldn't be selling them.

I still stand firm by my point. Cutting the chargers price in half, will solve this problem a great deal.
 
Electricity is powerful. We take electricity for granted when few take time to understand and fear it. Basic respect of power in this instance: purchase adapters from the company that made your device.
 
Anyone notice a pattern here? They are all in China!

Thailand is not China.

Anyways, not using 3rd party chargers means no charging in the car, no charging with non-Apple computers, no charging in airplane USB ports if you're lucky enough to have one at your seat. That all seems a bit impractical to me. Sure, I use an Apple charger at home, but I charge on my work HP laptop and in my car's USB port all the time.
 
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the charger, the cable, and the PHONE are all fake.

This.

Can't really tell 100% from the photo, but the name/fcc info seems a little high on the back, and can't make out the SIM tray either. (Did notice the finger burn marks though :( )

Fake chargers, cables, and even phones are all over the place in Thailand. Flooded by China.

Someone pointed out the "Thailand" store earlier in this thread, but that store is only Apple's web store. There is no official Apple store in Thailand, only a few authorized resellers. Even some of those are fake too.

Very sad that someone killed, but there is surely more to the story as well.
 
There doesn't seem to be a lot of humanity or compassion around these parts lately… this poor man died from using his iPhone. It's extremely sad :( glib comments about how this kind of thing doesn't happen in the USA are very introspective.

It's too easy to say "oh, should have bought an official charger" / "official chargers are x £ - worth it to not die" etc. in retrospect… but you've got to use a little imagination; picture a scenario where buying a third-party charger might seem the norm in a country outside Europe/USA, perhaps there are less stringent checks/restrictions on electronic sales. Shops are not necessarily going to be regulated in what they can sell. For consumers on certain parts of the planet, the distinction between 'official' and 'fake' (coloured plastic notwithstanding) is a lot less obvious, especially if Apple Stores are not prevalent.
Probably, this man didn't think that he was doing anything unwise.
So, here's my question:
Does this incident make YOU think twice about electricity? Not just for your phone, but every other device that uses it. Obviously, this poor man did not.

Some of us do. Although this makes me think about my kids. I think it's time for some more training for them.

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Yes, you are correct. It is designed that way. But what happens after the device fails? Lets say the transformer has an internal short the connects the primary and secondary. Now you have 240 volts on one of those hair-thin #40 wires inside the USB cable. With 240V something quickly fails inside the phone and the return path opens. Now you have a "hot" iPhone and the user supplies the only return path.

The system you describe only covers AC mains power equipment like the charger itself and you did not describe how the equipment remains safe after a failure that would cause open a ground.

Bottom line is that it is hard (but entirely possible) to design AC powered equipment that remains safe AFTER some internal parts have come loose inside and insulation has failed.

So, you want the charger circuit in the phone? I don't want that touching my face every day.

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I still stand firm by my point. Cutting the chargers price in half, will solve this problem a great deal.
So, your solution is for ALL the chargers to be under-protected? How is that a good plan?
 
Thailand is not China.

Anyways, not using 3rd party chargers means no charging in the car, no charging with non-Apple computers, no charging in airplane USB ports if you're lucky enough to have one at your seat. That all seems a bit impractical to me. Sure, I use an Apple charger at home, but I charge on my work HP laptop and in my car's USB port all the time.

I noticed this one said Thailand after I posted. Thanks for trying to sound smart! :)
 
Don't people get it by now? Buy Apple's chargers. Its not worth your life to save a couple of bucks!
But Apple doesn't sell a car charger. I think the better response is don't buy a really cheaply made charger, instead get one that's certified to work with your device.
 
But Apple doesn't sell a car charger. I think the better response is don't buy a really cheaply made charger, instead get one that's certified to work with your device.

You can stick your tongue on the 12v battery terminals of a car and survive. (if it was really long) Different electrical system, different danger level, really doesn't apply.

That said, quality car chargers are few and far between. Careful shopping is always warranted.
 
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