Thank God I bought a Windows PC instead.

[Dirtyharry50]

I think it's all about the tone and delivery of a message really. There are positive ways to look at options and put together what works for each of us without necessarily knocking what others are happy with using blanket statements that don't actually apply across the board when addressing a message to a diverse group of people who all have their own ideas about what works well for them, how Apple is doing things, best hardware/gaming platform options, budget considerations, overall needs that must be met by a given expenditure, personal preferences and needs regarding performance, what sort of games they play and how demanding or not they are and a just a whole lot more.

So, as was just pointed out above, when you post a thread titled, "Thank God I bought a Windows PC Instead" on a Mac users forum it should come as no surprise that this lights a fire immediately with a fair number of folks who would not bother to be here if they didn't use Apple products, constructive (or even not) criticisms aside.

This much time later I forget what your original post said but I can tell you I am not especially upset by it. This is the internet. If I let posts upset me, I'd be confined to an institution on a regular schedule of benzodiazepines to keep me calm. That said, I've been using 27" iMacs to play games on for the past four years with little in the way of issues and part of that had to do with my own personal need for one system to do everything for me which they have. Additionally, while I appreciate better gaming performance in newer titles, I have a huge library of games to play that run great on this hardware and the ones I still spend the most time in, WoW and some other older MMOs, play beautifully on it.

So, thank God I got an iMac, you know? It's really worked out for me. I actually am considering doing something different next upgrade but like yourself, it'll probably be a mix and match of something in the way of a much less expensive Mac than this and a gaming PC or a console or maybe both. I'll worry about that later as what I have now still works great for what I am playing and doing. Whatever I do though, if post about it I won't lead off with an announcement about how thank God I bought something most of you don't use. Somehow, I'd expect that to not go over so well framed in that way. I can't be everybody's friend and please everybody all of the time but I can at least try to avoid making them mad if it is easily helped.

 

[IHelpId10t5]

You might as well. I'll take the iMac

Never mind the 5K screen, the beautiful form, the brushed aluminum.

You also get an OS, that is superb!

Not only is Windows not good, it's bad. It's awful

I agree. I'm glad he bought a PC as well so I can gloat about my iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015) with AMD Radeon R9 M395 that has worked flawlessly since I bought it (including daily professional development work and gaming). Yeah, I would have a problem replacing components in my Mac if there was a signifiant problem discovered. But, because Apple works directly with manufacturers to make sure that it's hardware and OS works well together, I won't need to! Instead, I'll just enjoy my iMac that works as intended for years and years.

 

[tokyodan]

I agree. I'm glad he bought a PC as well so I can gloat about my iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015) with AMD Radeon R9 M395 that has worked flawlessly since I bought it (including daily professional development work and gaming). Yeah, I would have a problem replacing components in my Mac if there was a signifiant problem discovered. But, because Apple works directly with manufacturers to make sure that it's hardware and OS works well together, I won't need to! Instead, I'll just enjoy my iMac that works as intended for years and years.

Yeah. My old iMac played lots of games too. But not many of the very new ones that I wanted. Minimum spec was 2GB VRAM. Anyway, My post was not meant upset anybody. It was meant to show my frustration (along with others here..see the Mac Mini forum) with Apple and the direction it has been taking with regards to computers. I didn't post in the Mac Mini forum because I thought my post was more general and was not appropriate for that forum.

 

[cube]

My garbage Skylake PC already started crashing.

Windows is not an alternative.

Setting NVIDIA as default graphics seems to be successful as a workaround.

 

[IHelpId10t5]

The good news is that if Apple uses any version of the new NVIDIA or AMD cards in the next models of Macs then things will change drastically for gamers that prefer Macs. So, just hang on for the next round of hardware from Apple.

 

[cube]

Why would things change drastically? A lot of games could run on Macs but they were not ported.

 

[zone23]

Why would things change drastically? A lot of games could run on Macs but they were not ported.

Probably because you could install Windows using Bootcamp if you want to play games and you would have better hardware.

 

[cube]

Probably because you could install Windows using Bootcamp if you want to play games and you would have better hardware.

That misses the point that it is bothersome to switch from your usual Mac environment just to play games. And it assumes that people are willing to use Windows.

 

[tokyodan]

Probably because you could install Windows using Bootcamp if you want to play games and you would have better hardware.

You mean OUTDATED hardware.

 

[AidenShaw]

I work in data science and a lot of the tools just suck in windows, machines of choice are OSX or at a push Linux.

I work with a group of Ph.D data scientists (seriously, their official titles are like "Data Scientist Director" and "Senior Principal Data Scientist"), and the machines of choice are 16 to 36 core Ubuntu 14.04 systems with 384 GiB of RAM and dual Titan X cards. (Sometimes cluster of 4 of those machines.) At the high end, it's 72 core (144 thread) Ubuntu 14.04 systems with 1 TiB of RAM and quad Titan X and 8 TiB of local NVMe storage.

Nobody does "data science" on an Apple, but many of them use Apple laptops to SSH into the Ubuntu systems.

 

[satcomer]

You mean OUTDATED hardware.

Sounds like your starting to troll! We all could use MacRumors Buyers Guide.

 

[tokyodan]

Sounds like your starting to troll! We all could use MacRumors Buyers Guide.

How is stating the truth trolling. Have you listened to The Accidental Tech podcast? It is hosted by the three biggest Apple fanboys of all time. And even they say that Apple's hardware is outdated. They said on a recent podcast the even when you buy a new Apple computer you are actually getting an OLD computer because they haven't been keeping up with the latest hardware. The only thing that is on the forefront are the screens.

Some idiots think that anybody who is not blindly raving about something is trolling.

 

[satcomer]

How is stating the truth trolling. Have you listened to The Accidental Tech podcast? It is hosted by the three biggest Apple fanboys of all time. And even they say that Apple's hardware is outdated. They said on a recent podcast the even when you buy a new Apple computer you are actually getting an OLD computer because they haven't been keeping up with the latest hardware. The only thing that is on the forefront are the screens.

Some idiots think that anybody who is not blindly raving about something is trolling.

You are on a Mac site trying to get a raise of Mac users! We all know Apple is waiting for the support of Thunderbolt 3! Just wait until the Fall!

 

[UKgaryb]

I work with a group of Ph.D data scientists (seriously, their official titles are like "Data Scientist Director" and "Senior Principal Data Scientist"), and the machines of choice are 16 to 36 core Ubuntu 14.04 systems with 384 GiB of RAM and dual Titan X cards. (Sometimes cluster of 4 of those machines.) At the high end, it's 72 core (144 thread) Ubuntu 14.04 systems with 1 TiB of RAM and quad Titan X and 8 TiB of local NVMe storage.

Nobody does "data science" on an Apple, but many of them use Apple laptops to SSH into the Ubuntu systems.

Weird I guess our huge business built on using Apple machines and several older Xserves outperforming ubuntu blades speak differently. So you are dead wrong.

 

[maflynn]

Nobody does "data science" on an Apple, but many of them use Apple laptops to SSH into the Ubuntu systems.

While you may know some folks who use Linux, that doesn't equate to all scientists. In fact where I work, most of the scientists prefer Macs over PCs and no one uses linux

 

[Dirtyharry50]

How is stating the truth trolling. Have you listened to The Accidental Tech podcast? It is hosted by the three biggest Apple fanboys of all time. And even they say that Apple's hardware is outdated. They said on a recent podcast the even when you buy a new Apple computer you are actually getting an OLD computer because they haven't been keeping up with the latest hardware. The only thing that is on the forefront are the screens.

Some idiots think that anybody who is not blindly raving about something is trolling.

You know, you are losing your way in a serious way when you resort to calling people names in a discussion about anything. You dig yourself a hole doing that.

Apple desktop computers are in need of a refresh without any question. Hopefully, nobody would really disagree with that basic fact. They are due and them some. Hopefully that will happen soon but we'll just have to wait and see.

I can understand why you would choose a desktop PC for gaming and be happy about it. I can also see why you'd be unhappy that Apple doesn't deliver something to compete directly with that but they don't and this is not news. If you want desktop PC class gaming performance buying one of those is the only way to get it. You did that so good enough. Why argue with people over it? It is okay for them to like and be satisfied with whatever they are happy with. Putting down their choice in negative ways goes nowhere good as is seen here.

This same old thing comes up over and over and people play out the same old arguments with nothing gained by it. Sometimes I get the impression that somehow some folks seem to have missed the memo about Apple becoming a consumer electronics company years ago now. Desktop computers are not their focus and haven't been for a good while. They still make some nice ones depending on what your needs are. However, Apple is not in the business of making and selling gaming rigs and that is quite unlikely to change. There is no such thing as an Apple gaming rig. So, when someone wants one of those they need to buy one of those elsewhere. For many people though, a Mac with a mobile GPU is close enough despite some tradeoffs in terms of performance, longevity, upgradability and outlay because of the other things they also use it for.

Why is the above so hard for people to just deal with without fighting with each other over it? There is no this is better or that is better when it comes down to personal choices that take more into account than a simple hardware spec comparison. If you want to do that, sure, a tricked out PC desktop blows away a Mac for playing Windows games. Everybody already knows that though. On the other hand, said PC cannot run macOS, etc. and everybody knows that too. Some people solve this problem by building themselves a hackintosh. Everybody is right when it comes to having picked what they are happy with so telling them any different is not going to end well. In fact, it isn't going to end period until somebody decides to just walk away from an impossible to win argument.

 

[tokyodan]

You know, you are losing your way in a serious way when you resort to calling people names in a discussion about anything. You dig yourself a hole doing that.

blah blah blah....

Putting down their choice in negative ways goes nowhere good as is seen here.
.

You got it all wrong. I was the one whose choice was put down. And I didn't call anyone names. No more than the guy who replied to my post with this: Thank God you bought a Windows PC, most people are idiots and think Macs are gaming computers.

 

[Dirtyharry50]

You got it all wrong. I was the one whose choice was put down. And I didn't call anyone names. No more than the guy who replied to my post with this: Thank God you bought a Windows PC, most people are idiots and think Macs are gaming computers.

Your presentation of that choice was criticized more than anything and provoked what followed as I mentioned.

You implied that someone was an idiot in post #37. I'm not interested in whatever someone else said as an excuse for that and neither should you be. It is good for one's own standards of behavior to not be dictated by the behavior of others.

Denial of responsibility and the making of excuses are among the greatest barriers to learning. You might want to give that some thought. In any event, I've attempted to be helpful to you but I don't think you are able to see it that way at this time. I hope it comes to you eventually that when you provoke people you can expect them to respond to you negatively. When you choose your words a little more carefully, you can get a message of enthusiasm about something across without all that but this assumes you set that up by not opening with negativity yourself. I don't know what else to tell you. I'll just wish you good luck I guess. Enjoy the new toy.

 

[thekev]

Jeesuz. Looks like I pissed off a lot of unreasonable people.

Most of it is the way you phrased your thread title. It sounds like a troll thread (see below). As for the mac though, I think they're a poor value if purchased as gaming computers. You have a very high minimum sale for anything with a respectable amount of gpu power. You have no way to upgrade that gpu, so you're stuck with it until your next machine. TB3 might see external graphics, but I'm not counting on strong value there either.

You got it all wrong. I was the one whose choice was put down. And I didn't call anyone names. No more than the guy who replied to my post with this: Thank God you bought a Windows PC, most people are idiots and think Macs are gaming computers.

This kind of thing is just completely unnecessary.

My garbage Skylake PC already started crashing.

Windows is not an alternative.

Setting NVIDIA as default graphics seems to be successful as a workaround.

That may be a hardware problem rather than a Windows problem. I've read many complaints about macs crashing. They're also typically hardware problems. Some of the macbook pro generations with flaky graphics would crash during graphics switching at times. Sometimes people would upgrade their ram without testing the new sticks, after which they would experience crashes. Hardware is a much more common source of crashes than your choice of OS.

 

[tokyodan]

I've attempted to be helpful to you but I don't think you are able to see it that way at this time.......Denial of responsibility and the making of excuses are among the greatest barriers to learning.

Thank you for being helpful Yoda, oh superior, great, and enlightened one.

 

[grahamperrin]

… on a Mac site trying to get a raise of Mac users …

It's not unreasonable for a person who has an obvious interest in Macs (and OSx86) to post about Windows in an area that's specifically for Windows, Linux and other operating systems.

 

[cube]

That may be a hardware problem rather than a Windows problem. I've read many complaints about macs crashing. They're also typically hardware problems. Some of the macbook pro generations with flaky graphics would crash during graphics switching at times. Sometimes people would upgrade their ram without testing the new sticks, after which they would experience crashes. Hardware is a much more common source of crashes than your choice of OS.

People are complaining about the latest NVIDIA drivers and also about Windows Anniversary Garbage Edition.

 

[maflynn]

I'm rocking with Windows Anniversary edition and it seems rock solid, though I have a 2015 iMac and not dealing with nvidia. It took me a good part of the weekend, but I made win10 may main OS on my iMac, its running on the SSD portion of my storage, and I have OS X on an external drive right now. Seems smoother and offers a better user experience imo

 

[satcomer]

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It's not unreasonable for a person who has an obvious interest in Macs (and OSx86) to post about Windows in an area that's specifically for Windows, Linux and other operating systems.

Yea Windows or Linux on a Mac through Boot Camp or EFI.

 

[thekev]

People are complaining about the latest NVIDIA drivers and also about Windows Anniversary Garbage Edition.

I can't comment there. I haven't tried any configuration resembling that one. I typically it out until a new version of Windows is stable, just like I do with OSX. I have used Windows without much trouble. I actually had more of a headache with Debian in some ways. It wasn't the OS itself. It was just annoying errors building something that apparently had known issues on Debian.