Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
In another thread I said there should be an option for those who buy a MacBook or MacBook Pro to be able to get it without an optical drive and get that $80 taken off the price of the notebook computer. This would be for people who know they don't want an external drive, they should not have to pay for something they won't use.

Also this was directed at the MacBook and MacBook Pro which currently can easily be someone's primary/only computer. I think as long as Apple sells DVDs, their "regular sized" notebooks should be able to read them without an additional accessory.

I see the MacBook Air as something that would be a secondary computer, something light for travel that is still very capable, but not really a main machine. I can understand the external Superdive being an accessory for the Air but not the Pro or white MacBook. They made it to be as light and thin as possible while still having excellent battery life, the removal of an optical drive is part of the total package.
The best way in my view would be for Apple to the same thing with the MBP as they offer with the Mac mini, get one with an internal optical drive or with a second storage drive bay.
 
As for your "waiting for the hard drive" argument, (a) write speeds are faster on a hard drive than they are on an SSD, (b) you can order a MacBook Pro today of either of the three size categories with an SSD drive.
Regarding (a), I have read about one hundred reports by people who say installing a SSD was the best thing ever they did to their computer, I have read no reports by people who were disappointed. The fact that some SSDs might have slower write speeds than half-empty HDDs, does not change that what counts for user experience is much more is read speed.

Regarding (b), I have yet to see a 756 GB SSD (which my 256 SSD + 500 GB HDD offers and which is vastly cheaper).
 
The best way in my view would be for Apple to the same thing with the MBP as they offer with the Mac mini, get one with an internal optical drive or with a second storage drive bay.

That would be interesting. The second storage drive option would allow for a larger battery too!
 
Why would a "sane person" not assume that an APPLE external DVD drive, made and sold by APPLE, is compatible with ALL APPLE computers?

Obviously, they must not be a "sane person", since the APPLE external DVD is proprietorially locked in to just one (and now two) APPLE computers only!

When it comes to assumptions, sanity and proprietary products only the Jobs knows! :eek:

If you think little bit more, it is not irrational behaviour by Apple to only certify the external DVD drive with certain models. Less firmware compatibility to test, simple as that.
You don't have to like all their actions, but they normally do not behave like a head-less chicken.
 
Last edited:
folks are getting all excited, even slashdot is reporting that the macbook pro in april 2010 will have lightpeak because of these guys.

this should be page 2 news at best.

amusingly in their post where they claim all this about ipad, mbp and lightpeak they cite their previous prediction in an article from september of an update to to the macbook air in "October or November" and "The base MacBook will cease to exist" while "Gone will be the custom packaged Core 2 Duo, and in it's place will ride Intel's latest Core i-series of processors".

I and any other pundit can guess at months with a good chance of being in the ballpark, but they clearly do not have a source with access to apple details.

They are not a reliable source of information and should be relegated to page 2, if they are to be reported on at all.
 
Regarding (a), I have read about one hundred reports by people who say installing a SSD was the best thing ever they did to their computer, I have read no reports by people who were disappointed. The fact that some SSDs might have slower write speeds than half-empty HDDs, does not change that what counts for user experience is much more is read speed.

Regarding (b), I have yet to see a 756 GB SSD (which my 256 SSD + 500 GB HDD offers and which is vastly cheaper).

Most of YOUR user experience is read speed. Most PRO customers need write speeds. Video people need write speeds. But that hybrid set up that you speak of solves those problems.
 
Most of YOUR user experience is read speed. Most PRO customers need write speeds. Video people need write speeds. But that hybrid set up that you speak of solves those problems.
What really would solve most problems would by a striped RAID of two 500 GB Sandforce SSDs. But that comes at a price.
 
What really would solve most problems would by a striped RAID of two 500 GB Sandforce SSDs. But that comes at a price.

agreed, if apple could make a breakthrough on price. i'd be there. but they won't, so i won't either. :(
 
"MacBook Pro will follow the MacBook Airs move to Solid State Storage and removal of an optical drive." ???

Then the 13'' MBP will be discontinued! :rolleyes:

More likely it would get a Core i5 and discrete GPU. It's thicker than the 13" MacBook Air so there would be room for the extra circuitry.
 
Steve will just hire an architect that has the same design sensibilities as he does and all will be well. Look at the plans for Steve's new house and you'll have an idea of what the new HQ might look like.

I would not be surprised that there is a new campus layout running on AutoCAD with all the architecture extensions running on a Mac somewhere in Steve's inner circle right now. If you haven't been around the planning of a major building, it is a bizarre mix of aesthetics, egos, symbolism and practicality. I'm sure there are a dozen top architecture firms bidding on this job now.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

I am a student. I can't afford 2k. Easily. So I hope that is not true
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

wizzlez said:
The website says that the entry price will be $1999. I don't want the MBA to become the new mbp 13''. I need an optical drive lots of memory and a fast processor I could use an external optical drive.

I'm surprised so many ppl are resistant to spending an extra hundred to go external optical. If they do the RAID 128 SSD and 500 or 750 HDD that would be a remarkable set up. The external drives work pretty fine, and if you need to rip data off cd's and dvd's then you definitely need the extra HD space and should want a dual system. SSDs are just too fast and too battery efficient to resist nowadays and nobody on a laptop wants to carry around an external drive just to watch a video or listen to a song. If it doesnt look like theyre gonna do that dual system and theyre leaving out sandy bridge and light peak then im just gonna get the current 17" i5 which is a beast of a machine and just take out the opti drive and put a 750 GB WD HDD in there and replace the hitachi drive with an 80 Gig SSD. But April is way too far for me im having big trouble waiting! It all depends on whether light peak is coming in this update and whether light peak is coming in March or in time for CES right after new years when sandy bridge is being shown. Id assume that Apple can get sandy bridge mbp's shipping by the end of january, as id also assume theyve already got sandy bridge cpu's from intel and they are already in production. Apple typically releases updates every 8 months, whihc would mean a january release is logical, but the last update got held up to 10 months because of delays with the i7's gpu, so that could happen again because of light peak.

I can't afford 2k for a 13" laptop.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

I am a student. I can't afford 2k. Easily. So I hope that is not true

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)



I can't afford 2k for a 13" laptop.

don't worry, they have no idea what they're talking about. they're just making stuff up. apple will always maintain a full range of prices. whether you get good value for your money is a more subjective notion.
 
seriously macrumors? three unrelated stories in one posting??

next time please give us our own thread for macbook pro news discussion!
 
I could do without an optical drive if i can RAID 0 with 2 internal SSDs. :D If the prices were to start at $2000, I would be out of luck. I do not see that happening. Apple already has premium prices. If they went that far off the deep end they would most definitely lose a chunk of their laptop market share.
 
Yes, that's right, shell out more money to compensate for missing features.

If most potential customers prefer a product with less features (but maybe better execution of whatever's left), then a producer can charge more for providing something that better meets those customer's preference.

In this case, Apple is catering to people who would rather have something thinner and lighter, instead of an optical disk, a floppy disk, a dial-up modem, SCSI and parallel-printer ports, an 8-track player, and 7 Apple II card slots, all built-in.
 
"...removal of an optical drive"?

They don't list their source for the information, so we're not sure how much is speculative, but they claim the MacBook Pro will follow the MacBook Airs move to Solid State Storage and removal of an optical drive.

If lack of Blu-ray wasn't bad enough, now there may be no DVD player. And laptops half the price of the MacBook Pro will continue to have both Blu-ray and DVD.
 
If most potential customers prefer a product with less features (but maybe better execution of whatever's left), then a producer can charge more for providing something that better meets those customer's preference.

In this case, Apple is catering to people who would rather have something thinner and lighter, instead of an optical disk, a floppy disk, a dial-up modem, SCSI and parallel-printer ports, an 8-track player, and 7 Apple II card slots, all built-in.

Yes, and that product is called the MacBook Air. So leave the Pros alone. Just because you don't have a use for that particular feature, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't either. I have no use for the SD card slot, but maybe I might, and it's there in case I do. I don't use the FireWire port every day, but when I do, I'm thankful that it's there.
 
It was quite smart because Apple knows how resistant a vocal minority of its customers are to change, any sort of change*.

Just because they're vocal, it does not mean it's the minority. I'm sure most people would want to keep the optical drive in an MBP but probably don't even know that macrumors (or any other similar site) exist or just don't participate in these types of forums.

The most vocal minority is the "Steve Job's Yes Men Society".

I use my optical drive fairly often, there are still several games out there that require the original disc in the optical drive before running. This may be great for AAPL and their shareholders (larger margins, it will drive iTunes sales because it will be too much of a hassle to rip a CD to iTunes), plus it bypasses the problem of Apple being so embarrassingly behind in implementing BD technology to their product line. I would really like to start backing up my iTunes library (and several large DBs) to 3 or 4 BD writeable discs instead of 12 to 16 2 layer DVDs or 24 to 32 single layer DVDs.

I could care less about watching Blu-Ray movies on my MBP, but I do like the idea of a 30 to 50 gig (and soon 100 gig) data disc. And, since it's a laptop, I don't want to walk around with external devices to plug into it.
 
Just because they're vocal, it does not mean it's the minority. I'm sure most people would want to keep the optical drive in an MBP but probably don't even know that macrumors (or any other similar site) exist or just don't participate in these types of forums.

The most vocal minority is the "Steve Job's Yes Men Society".

I use my optical drive fairly often, there are still several games out there that require the original disc in the optical drive before running. This may be great for AAPL and their shareholders (larger margins, it will drive iTunes sales because it will be too much of a hassle to rip a CD to iTunes), plus it bypasses the problem of Apple being so embarrassingly behind in implementing BD technology to their product line. I would really like to start backing up my iTunes library (and several large DBs) to 3 or 4 BD writeable discs instead of 12 to 16 2 layer DVDs or 24 to 32 single layer DVDs.

I could care less about watching Blu-Ray movies on my MBP, but I do like the idea of a 30 to 50 gig (and soon 100 gig) data disc. And, since it's a laptop, I don't want to walk around with external devices to plug into it.

I love you.
 
Just because they're vocal, it does not mean it's the minority. I'm sure most people would want to keep the optical drive in an MBP but probably don't even know that macrumors (or any other similar site) exist or just don't participate in these types of forums.

The most vocal minority is the "Steve Job's Yes Men Society".

I use my optical drive fairly often, there are still several games out there that require the original disc in the optical drive before running. This may be great for AAPL and their shareholders (larger margins, it will drive iTunes sales because it will be too much of a hassle to rip a CD to iTunes), plus it bypasses the problem of Apple being so embarrassingly behind in implementing BD technology to their product line. I would really like to start backing up my iTunes library (and several large DBs) to 3 or 4 BD writeable discs instead of 12 to 16 2 layer DVDs or 24 to 32 single layer DVDs.

I could care less about watching Blu-Ray movies on my MBP, but I do like the idea of a 30 to 50 gig (and soon 100 gig) data disc. And, since it's a laptop, I don't want to walk around with external devices to plug into it.

iDon't think so
 
the guys said $1999 as the starting price.. now is that for the 15" cuz thats a bit ridiculous..
 
the guys said $1999 as the starting price.. now is that for the 15" cuz thats a bit ridiculous..

exacty, I could spend maybe 1399 mpb 13'' starting price for
-i5
-light peak
-256 ssd
-no optical drive
-larger battery
-higher resolution screen
-facetime camera
-larger trackpad (wish of mine)
-infrared
-wifi
-bluetooth
-3 usb prots
-1 firewire
-sd slot
-audio in/out
-os x lion
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.