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That is so Mean of Apple ?

augustya

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I still cant get it ! Why would Apple charge extra for 32 GB RAM should it not be part of an default option ? I can understand a bigger storage ? But RAM C'mon Apple next thing I know, you wanna make pennies now also on stickers you give. That is so Much Like Apple. Mean Money Making Machine ! Ruthless !!
 
Schranke said:
Because 32GB RAM is more expensive the 16GB RAM?

Not everyone need 32GB RAM, and having them as a part of the default option will only increase the price point, which would lead to lose of buyers.
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Who does not need an extra RAM ?? isn't it something that they say since generations, It is a thumbrule that in case of RAM the more the better, just makes your experience a lot smoother...
 
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augustya said:
Who does not need an extra RAM ?? isn't it something that they since generations, It is a thumbrule that in case of RAM the more the better, just makes your experience a lot smoother...
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Plenty of people owning 15" MBP's do not need more than 16GB RAM. Expecting them to pay for something they will never need in the base price is ridicules, having 32GB as an option makes it available for those who do need it.
And more RAM is not better if it never gets used, you do not get a better experience or any advantages by having it.

What we have wished for was the option to have it, not being forced to pay for something we do not need
 
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Have a look around augustya, which company provides 32 GB ram as default and without extra cost? Maybe some 5 kg+ desktop replacement exists somewhere which does do this (even then, I am not sure!), but really, in the class of laptops Apple is offering, is it really them being mean?

Razerblade's, XPS line, Lenovo, Gigabyte etc, everyone is 16 GB default (some don't even offer 32 GB).

So as long as you are happy to call EVERYONE greedy, carry on.
 
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augustya said:
Who does not need an extra RAM ?? isn't it something that they since generations, It is a thumbrule that in case of RAM the more the better, just makes your experience a lot smoother...
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Yes, in the same way that having a more powerful engine in your car is better... But only if you use it, otherwise it's just pushing the price up. Given that the demand is relatively low still for 32GB of RAM in a notebook, Apple likely doesn't see the business case for making it a default config but rather leaving it as a configurable option for those who do want it.

I'll be paying for the upgrade once I make the jump to a 2018 MBP later this year but only because I do a lot of VM work. Otherwise, I've had no issue with 16GB in day to day use, so I really wouldn't expect Apple to offer it as any kind of default.

What's mean about any of this?
 
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32GB is way more than more people need. It should definitely not be the default option. Given that it also uses more battery I prefer 16GB.
And people should definitely not ignore that this PCIe SSD has +3GB/s disk speed!! I bet most people won't even notice if the memory runs out and the SSD needs to help out temporarily and act as memory.
 
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augustya said:
Why would Apple charge extra for 32 GB RAM
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Because more ram is more expensive. Yet with that said, Apple from day one has always charged a premium for ram, back in the day you could put your own ram into the laptop, no longer since they now solder the memory onto the logic board.

augustya said:
Who does not need an extra RAM ??
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Me, I'm rocking with 8GB of ram on my iMac and it works fine. the MBP is expensive enough as it is, I do not want to the stock price to be even higher for a feature that only the minority will ever need and use.
 
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augustya said:
I still cant get it ! Why would Apple charge extra for 32 GB RAM should it not be part of an default option ? I can understand a bigger storage ? But RAM C'mon Apple next thing I know, you wanna make pennies now also on stickers you give. That is so Much Like Apple. Mean Money Making Machine ! Ruthless !!
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Oh please, enlighten us how "everybody needs 32GB RAM". What an absolute crock. I've ran a Win 7 VM for some MIDI notation programs whilst running 20+ stems in LPX & 10+ Safari tabs open without the RAM hitting the 16GB limit or paging to disk. The main bottleneck I experienced was the GPU with Metal & age of the CPU.

Plus the plugins were mainly East West Quantum Leap, so they loaded into the RAM too. I/O suffered a little when loading plugins as it was only SATA 6Gb/s but the RAM wasn't an issue.

32GB is far too much for a default and as others have said, it would make the price of the base 15" considerably more expensive. MacOS's memory management is great anyway.

Some people will need 32GB however, so luckily they've now got that option.

If your RAM usage is through the roof with substantially less workload than I described, try turning it off and on again. That'll clear the RAM. Either that or close the one Chrome tab you have open. :p
 
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augustya said:
should it not be part of an default option
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Believe it or not there are windows machines that have only 4GB of ram. My point in bringing that up, is not everyone needs 32GB of ram. I suspect many buyers will select the ram upgrade because its soldered on, and they think they're future proofing their machines but in all likelihood they're just waiting their money because they don't even need that much now or the foreseeable future.
 
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32GB ram as default? lol

May I ask what do you use your mac for?

As previously said, a big majority (even pro) of users don’t need that

If you need 32 ram just get them from the « mean » Apple

This is really just trolling
 
augustya said:
Who does not need an extra RAM ??
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90% of users don't need more than 8Gb RAM, even 16Gb is overkill for most people. We had these discussions here many times, basically: 1. the system fills up all of your RAM no matter how much you have so people misconceive how much they actually need 2. 16Gb RAM is more than enough even for advanced users.
 
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RAM is expensive so I think all computer companies will charge you for a RAM upgrade. Either that or its already priced in to the cost of the computer..... The one thing that Apple can be accused of being greedy for is soldering the ram on their new laptops.... Rather than giving users the option to swap out their own RAM.
 
keysofanxiety said:
Oh please, enlighten us how "everybody needs 32GB RAM".
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It's likely just the typical MacRumors forum user "I need it so everyone else must need it too" myopic view of the world.

Fact is (a) 16GB is sufficient for a large part of the user population, particularly given the speed of the SSD; it's not like you're swapping to a slow spindle drive. Also (b) Apple makes more money by upcharging for the 32GB version, revenue which they wouldn't realize if they made 32GB the base model.
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seadragon said:
They should toss in the 4 TB storage option for free too. What is :apple: thinking???!!!

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It's almost like they're trying to profit from buyers! The horror!
 
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I know several Macbook users (Air, Pro, non-Pro), me included, and none of them are complaining about having 8 GB of ram.

I'm not looking to pay for something I don't or won't need.

Apple is in business to make money for the shareholders and not much else.
 
Apple should've lowered the base price by $300-400, still starting at 16 GB RAM (meaning the upgrade to 32 GB would bring them up to the current price or $100 higher instead of $400 higher).

The Touch Bar MacBook Pros as they are now remain overpriced, IMHO.
 
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augustya said:
Who does not need an extra RAM ?? isn't it something that they say since generations, It is a thumbrule that in case of RAM the more the better, just makes your experience a lot smoother...
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32GB RAM in my case would be complete overkill. Still have only 8GB on my 13" Macbook Pro from 2013. Never get close to maxing that out.

My windows desktop has 16GB of ram (and I could easily upgrade that if I wanted), but I only go over 8GB used when playing a game like Cities Skylines with a ton of mods.

32GB should be an option... However I don't think it should be an additional $400, but oh well.
 
Kognito said:
Yes, in the same way that having a more powerful engine in your car is better... But only if you use it, otherwise it's just pushing the price up.
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Excuse the naivety, but what does it mean "if you use it"? How does one "use" ram? I'm not a power user, and I suppose added ram would increase the speed of my 15" 2017 MBP, but it's really very fast now. How fast can it get? Are there other advantages I'm not aware of?
 
warburg said:
Excuse the naivety, but what does it mean "if you use it"? How does one "use" ram? I'm not a power user, and I suppose added ram would increase the speed of my 15" 2017 MBP, but it's really very fast now. How fast can it get? Are there other advantages I'm not aware of?
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Having more ram will allow you to have more programs and documents open without resorting to virtual memory.

If you have 8 GB of ram and consistently use no more than 6 GB of ram, increasing the amount of available ram to 16 or 32 is not going to have a much of an impact on the Macbook's speed. Benchmarks may be better when moving to 16 or 32 but most people don't buy a loaded Macbook to run benchmarks all the time.
 
I generally find that 8GB is sufficient for development work as such it makes a sensible minimum amount. When I was using a Mac mini with 4GB it was painful to try and use for development as Xcode and SourceKit would consume all the RAM and then the machine would grind to a halt even with an SSD inside. Personally I'm quite happy with 16 GB as it gives me enough room to run Xcode alongside the Adobe Creative Suite without having to swap out to disk.
 
I don't think the analogy of more RAM as having a car with bigger engine is appropriate. Its more like a car with a bigger trunk. If all you ever need to transport is some groceries, then a bigger trunk is completely pointless for you.

Not to mention that RAM size has an impact on the battery, since its an always on consumer of power. Back in the days, when we had 1, 2 or 4GB of RAM, power consumption was negligible. Modern RAM is more power efficient, but we also have tons of it, and its becoming a problem. 32GB of DDR4 RAM alone consumes somewhere around 12Watt based on third-party tests. That is a crazy amount when you consider that the 2017 MBP in idle consumes around 10-13Watt — with display and everything!
 
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