The 13.3" resolution SUCKS.

[DVD9]

I can't imagine 17" notebooks to be less than 3lbs. The battery itself is a lot of the weight. You have to remember all of the components that go into a notebook. To make a 17" notebook to be less than 3lbs will require some extraordinary engineering and a LOT of money. It will also result in it being less powerful... like the Macbook Air, which is 3lbs.

What do you estimate the cost would be to produce a 17" <3lbs notebook? How much money would it be to the consumer? It would make Apple look like they only produce notebooks for the rich elite.

No. Nano engineering is not about compromises. It is about defeating compromise. The MBA is an epic fail because it is not a product of nano engineering. Thus it is compromised as you note.

I would think that given the outer dimensions to work with a three pound 17" laptop should be easier to manufacture than the Sony Z, which does not have much in the way of new materials.

The problem with laptop weight is that the Intel processor is about the only thing being nano engineered. The manufacture of "new" laptops is basically done with off the shelf generic parts. Until those generic parts are nano engineered down in size and weight it would seem that laptops will be frozen in time.

Within two years the CIA will be able to fly nano engineered predator drones into your house through holes in your window screen. The nano engineered drone will be able to record video and sound and transmit it to "The Company". They could also equip the little drone with poison and send a swarm of them to kill unnoticed.

This is what America produces. Death, pain and misery.

For more information about the nano Predator drones read "The Singularity is Near" by Ray Kurzweil.
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[pismodude2]

I don't think there is anyone offering higher res displays for the unibodies. It would have to be LED and basically you'd have to replace the whole lid to install it because the glass front and bezel are pretty much glued together afaik.

If you read my original post, you'll see there is someone offering a 13.3" MacBook Pro screen at 1440x900. So there you go. Someone offering higher resolution displays for unibody MacBook Pros.

You're right, however- the replacement is very hard. People do it though, usually when their screen breaks, so it is definitely possible .

 

[Raytrace]

This is what America produces. Death, pain and misery.


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Well well, looks like SOMEBODY was born on the pissed off pessimistic side of the operating table!

I do find it interesting that people from all over the world are beating down our door and getting here any way they can to get a piece of our death, pain and misery.

 

[stylinexpat]

Can YOU not read? I understand what you were doing, do you? You were comparing the PPI on the 15.4" screen to to the 13.3" screen. You were doing this in a thread dedicated to finding alternatives for the 13.3" screen.

In other words, you were trying to offer the alternative of no alternative, trying to make everyone feel like what they have is great, due to the high(ish) PPI. This is a thread about getting new panels, not feeling good about what we already have, which is why I'm trying to get you to stop spamming.

Read my original post if you still don't understand the point of this thread, but don't just jump in and try to tell us what we have is the "bestest thing ever :-D". This is a thread for the people who are NOT happy mad: <-- see that?) with what they currently have, and no amount of comparisons nor explanations on your part or anyone elses' will make our hardware better for day-to-day use.

Just like car tuning there will always be those mechanics that tell you stock is best and only to use OEM parts I think he just missed the point

 

[Yimbie]

No. Nano engineering is not about compromises. It is about defeating compromise. The MBA is an epic fail because it is not a product of nano engineering. Thus it is compromised as you note.

I would think that given the outer dimensions to work with a three pound 17" laptop should be easier to manufacture than the Sony Z, which does not have much in the way of new materials.

The problem with laptop weight is that the Intel processor is about the only thing being nano engineered. The manufacture of "new" laptops is basically done with off the shelf generic parts. Until those generic parts are nano engineered down in size and weight it would seem that laptops will be frozen in time.

Within two years the CIA will be able to fly nano engineered predator drones into your house through holes in your window screen. The nano engineered drone will be able to record video and sound and transmit it to "The Company". They could also equip the little drone with poison and send a swarm of them to kill unnoticed.

This is what America produces. Death, pain and misery.

For more information about the nano Predator drones read "The Singularity is Near" by Ray Kurzweil.
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Holy negativity! Live in peace.

 

[kasakka]

If you read my original post, you'll see there is someone offering a 13.3" MacBook Pro screen at 1440x900. So there you go. Someone offering higher resolution displays for unibody MacBook Pros.

You're right, however- the replacement is very hard. People do it though, usually when their screen breaks, so it is definitely possible .

I had to look a bit further into the site, the link you posted only said Macbook Pro. They had separate models for unibody with LED backlighting. No price, so I'm guessing very expensive.

The only situation where I'd do it is if my laptop was out of warranty and broken.

Still, since there are displays of that size and resolution out there, I imagine they'll end up as stock items in Apple's products soon enough. Hopefully next year we will see a higher res 13" MBP as well as higher res iPad.

 

[DVD9]

Well well, looks like SOMEBODY was born on the pissed off pessimistic side of the operating table!

I do find it interesting that people from all over the world are beating down our door and getting here any way they can to get a piece of our death, pain and misery.

Of course they are. Getting here is the only way to -for now- avoid being hit by a hellfire missile launched from a Predator drone.

 

[Jaxdialation]

It is incredibly hard for me to respect someone who blew thousands on a product, and apparently overlooked the part you look at when making the decision. It is consumerism 101.

Clearly, many of you missed the part where I asked you to respect those of us who DO want a higher resolution 13.3" screen. .

 

[entatlrg]

Clearly, many of you missed the part where I asked you to respect those of us who DO want a higher resolution 13.3" screen. So I'll just go ahead and kindly ask you to stop spamming, opinions about the old screen being 'the greatest panel evarrr' do NOT help this thread achieve what was intended, thanks. We're aiming for productivity here, although it seems that we really are limited in this area...

To the person who bought the 1440x900: Did it work, how much was it, and how good is it in appearance and battery life affect?

I wouldn't mind even such a small bump, it really bums me out to have a computer closer to the iPhone resolution than some of the larger MBP model screens. 160p difference between my computer and phone? Ugh.

Please, educate yourself, I mean that sincerely. There is a LOT more to a display than resolution along.

The 13" MBP is so far as I've experienced the very best display out there in the 13" class, yet it's the lowest resolution.

Posts discussing resolution will interest me a lot more when it takes into consideration quality of the panel. Sony Z11, Z12, IBM x301, x201, Dell e4301's, HP's all have inferior screens, I'm talking 'real bad', yet they all offer higher resolution, so they have to be better, right?

WRONG! It's too bad so many people don't understand this.

To answer your question. The resolution on the MBP is fine for it's screen size. What exactly is wrong with it?

 

[gianly1985]

Clearly, many of you missed the part where I asked you to respect those of us who DO want a higher resolution 13.3" screen. So I'll just go ahead and kindly ask you to stop spamming, opinions about the old screen being 'the greatest panel evarrr' do NOT help this thread achieve what was intended, thanks. We're aiming for productivity here, although it seems that we really are limited in this area...

Clearly, you failed at choosing the title for this thread.

With a title like that, it's normal for people to "get defensive" for the panel as a "whole".

A better title would have been something like "For people not satisfied with the 13" resolution: let's find a DIY solution".

With your title, it's like you're implying it sucks "in general".

 

[TZRaceR6]

No. Nano engineering is not about compromises. It is about defeating compromise. The MBA is an epic fail because it is not a product of nano engineering. Thus it is compromised as you note.

I would think that given the outer dimensions to work with a three pound 17" laptop should be easier to manufacture than the Sony Z, which does not have much in the way of new materials.

The problem with laptop weight is that the Intel processor is about the only thing being nano engineered. The manufacture of "new" laptops is basically done with off the shelf generic parts. Until those generic parts are nano engineered down in size and weight it would seem that laptops will be frozen in time.

Within two years the CIA will be able to fly nano engineered predator drones into your house through holes in your window screen. The nano engineered drone will be able to record video and sound and transmit it to "The Company". They could also equip the little drone with poison and send a swarm of them to kill unnoticed.

This is what America produces. Death, pain and misery.

For more information about the nano Predator drones read "The Singularity is Near" by Ray Kurzweil.
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Are you wearing your aluminum foiled hat, so the CIA can't read your thoughts. Quick better get it on.

 

[drambuie]

Are you wearing your aluminum foiled hat, so the CIA can't read your thoughts. Quick better get it on.

Apparently, foils hats aren't all that effective.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

 

[mark28]

MacBook Pro 13.3" @ 1280×800 is 113 PPI
MacBook Pro 15.4" @ 1440×900 is 110 PPI

113 > 110

It's NOT only resolution but the size of the display that determines sharpness and PPI (Pixels Per Square Inch)

So.. 13.3" owns 15.4" in terms of PPI.

And that's, that.

Nope, the hi-res screen has a higher PPI than the 13.3 inch MBP.

 

[pismodude2]

Please, educate yourself, I mean that sincerely. There is a LOT more to a display than resolution along.

The 13" MBP is so far as I've experienced the very best display out there in the 13" class, yet it's the lowest resolution.

Posts discussing resolution will interest me a lot more when it takes into consideration quality of the panel. Sony Z11, Z12, IBM x301, x201, Dell e4301's, HP's all have inferior screens, I'm talking 'real bad', yet they all offer higher resolution, so they have to be better, right?

WRONG! It's too bad so many people don't understand this.

To answer your question. The resolution on the MBP is fine for it's screen size. What exactly is wrong with it?

I never asked you a question about how good the resolution was. I made a clear statement, saying the resolution was subpar by my standards, and that should answer your question.

Also, I have been aware of this, all of this (other screen specifications), since starting this thread. This thread is not about the screen as a whole, it is about the resolution alone (do you see the title? yeah). I was willing to make such concessions towards the end of having a higher resolution if possible, else I would never have broached the topic.

I do apologize for causing you to waste your time defending a screen you so favor, but I would appreciate this thread being kept clear of those trying to advocate for the 'you can never make it better than Apple does' mentality. I only ever wanted to compile a list of alternatives, if you can help with that I would really appreciate it!

Clearly, you failed at choosing the title for this thread.

With a title like that, it's normal for people to "get defensive" for the panel as a "whole".

A better title would have been something like "For people not satisfied with the 13" resolution: let's find a DIY solution".

With your title, it's like you're implying it sucks "in general".

Call it a descriptive attention grabber if you like, but I don't think it crosses any boundaries that we have a responsibility to adhere to.

However, I fear you may be correct in thinking people are unable to derive specific meaning from the word 'resolution', instead gravitating towards the 'SUCKS'. It's interesting to note that I never even brought up the word 'display', nor 'screen' in the title to try and avoid exactly this. Had I not included the word resolution, it would appear that I was simply complaining about the computer as a whole, so how anyone managed to jump to defend the display as a whole baffles me.

I expected more from my fellows, but perhaps I shouldn't have. In any case, if my lack of love for this one feature on my 13" laptop offends onlookers, they likely need to outgrow some unhealthy fanboyism.

This thread was made for you, and fixing a shortcoming that you must have been stoned to miss when you purchased your MBP.

You asked for respect, when it wasn't forthcoming you threw a tantrum. Nothing seems to be going your way does it ? Stay in your parents basement.....I'm here to stay

You... you're not even worth my time. I've been where you are, and I know how stubborn those like you can be. Consider yourself ignored, I don't want to burden my conscience by raising your blood pressure any longer. Let's just say you win, whatever that amounts to here, if it makes you happy.

Happy Saturday.

 

[spacepower7]

$800 more

I'm trying to wrap my mind around a 13" screen with a 1680x1050 res. It seems illogical to me.

The whole idea of higher res is more real estate and room on the screen. So...why would you try to squeeze that into a smaller screen instead of just going to the 15"?

The bigger problem is that the cheapest 15" is $800 more than the cheapest 13"

What if someone wants a larger screen but doesn't need an i5 or dedicated graphics card. There is no option in Apples line-up.

$1799 plus tax for the cheapest 15" Mac laptop is getting back 1990's pricing.

 

[revelated]

The bigger problem is that the cheapest 15" is $800 more than the cheapest 13"

This isn't a logical argument. Using Nissan's fleet as an example, I am not going to compare an Altima S with a Sentra S. The only difference is the body size and engine size, basically. If your goal is to save money, your only option IS the 13" and the low resolution that comes with. I don't see a problem there.

What if someone wants a larger screen but doesn't need an i5 or dedicated graphics card. There is no option in Apples line-up.

Of course not, Apple isn't Dell. IF you want a larger screen without the bells and whistles, get a Mac Mini or a poly MacBook with a 27" external display.

$1799 plus tax for the cheapest 15" Mac laptop is getting back 1990's pricing.

You're joking.

http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/macintosh/powerbook.html

On October 21, 1991, Apple offered up three PowerBook models to replace the ill-fated Portable. Apple priced the PowerBook 100, 140, and 170, at $2,300, $3,000, and $4,300 respectively.

Don't get me wrong. The 15" is overpriced by, I'd say, $150-$200 or thereabouts. But you're basically saying that you want Dell prices on Apple hardware. Not going to happen and you know it.

I'm all for choices, but as a consumer, one should buy the model that offers the features that they want OR do without those features and settle for a lesser model to save money. Either you spend more to get more or spend less to get less.

 

[Jaxdialation]

Life is full of disappointments. Especially for you. In at least one case it is the result of poor decision making on your part. And here it seems to be your ability to communicate and interact productively with others.

I expected more from my fellows, but perhaps I shouldn't have. In any case, if my lack of love for this one feature on my 13" laptop offends onlookers, they likely need to outgrow some unhealthy fanboyism.

Happy Saturday.