The 14" MBP is not a 2020 product

[maflynn]

2020 aint anywhere near over, but after this announcement, this thread isn't so far fetched.

Yep, if there is going to be a 14" MBP, it won't be in 2020

 

[bill-p]

I still don't think it came down to the final hour to include 10th gen on base and a 14" screen across the board, before they decided 'nah'

But just my guess.

Well, the 14" screen would require more testing. It's not as if they can just blindly slap everything together in Solidworks and call it a day. Supply chains were affected as early as late last year when cases started popping up in Wuhan, and Apple has now been working from home for... actually a bit closer to 3 months now. I remember the nearby Google campus were cleared out about 2-3 weeks prior to the stay-at-home order in California. And yeah, Google is our neighbor. My company started WFH around early March.

So that makes a redesign around this time frame a bit unrealistic IMO. It's a damn shame. I'm sure Apple already has everything fleshed out, just that they need to test it more thoroughly.

The bat didn't do anything wrong.

Exactly. Which was why I said you should thank the bat.

 

[unoporfavor]

Yep, if there is going to be a 14" MBP, it won't be in 2020

Screen capturing

 

[turbineseaplane]

Whenever the 14" comes out - dear lord lets hope it finally has a better webcam - lol

 

[unoporfavor]

Whenever the 14" comes out - dear lord lets hope it finally has a better webcam - lol

Is anyone else extremely disappointed with this 13" MBP 'refresh' ?
It's barely a change except for a way to get the magic keyboard on it. The 2 models I am looking at don't even have the new Intel chips in them!
I'm pretty amazed that they even bothered. I was thinking a 14" would be nice, but new CPU and the new keyboard would be the minimum and they haven't even managed those 2!
Why bother guys?
I was in the market to replace my 15" MBP (it's too large for use except at the table), but this seems a waste of money changing over.

 

[petvas]

I too thought that Apple would replace the 13“ model with a 14“ one, but I am not really disappointed that they haven‘t. Maybe this happens next year, maybe it will never happen. The fact is that Apple will not bring a new MacBook Pro this year anymore.

 

[Alex W.]

OP was right.

He predicts the future.

Oh wonderful OP - What does the future bring for thy 16" MBP?
Should we revolt against T. COOK?
What is thy bidding?

 

[benobi]

I too thought that Apple would replace the 13“ model with a 14“ one, but I am not really disappointed that they haven‘t. Maybe this happens next year, maybe it will never happen. The fact is that Apple will not bring a new MacBook Pro this year anymore.

I wouldn't be so sure. Last year, they updated the 15" MBP on May 21 just to replace it with a 16" in November. Seems like pretty similar timing...

 

[MF878]

OP was right.

He predicts the future.

Oh wonderful OP - What does the future bring for thy 16" MBP?
Should we revolt against T. COOK?
What is thy bidding?

I think the biggest thing many here should learn from this is that if the rumors aren’t clear, it probably isn’t coming in a month 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[unoporfavor]

My guess - if 14" is coming, it will be in the next substantial update, whenever that is (and whatever processor it has). Reason: Apple have an urgent need to switch to the Magic Keyboard - whatever the true failure rates may be, butterfly keyboards have zero credibility now they've been dropped from the 16" and Air. That means a substantial mechanical re-design (even if it's only slightly thicker on the surface, like the Air, that change will run deep) so it would be the obvious opportunity to update the display. Also, "we made the display bigger" is a better headline than "the new keyboard sucks 83.5% less than the old one". Evidence: see the 16" MBP.

That's assuming that the 14" rumours have any more foundation than 'they added an inch to the 15" so obviously they're going to add an inch to the 13"'... That would actually be a bigger proportional size increase than 15-16" (and slightly bigger in absolute terms - 15.4-16 vs 13.3-14) so it would probably be a more noticeable increase in bulk.

The ARM thing that this thread got sidetracked onto (sorry, mea partially culpa) is only sorta relevant because that would be another opportunity for significant design changes. My guess there is that (if ARM is happening) it's going to be a 2+ year process and the most we'd see this year is either a slightly kludgey registered-developers-only prototype system (e.g. a Mini with an A12 chip or a hackintoshed iPad Pro) or a "showcase" machine like a 12" MacBook that doesn't replace an existing model and which can fit in a brown envelope with a MacBook Air.

However, what with the current crazyness, I wouldn't bet the farm on any Mac updates at WWDC, or maybe minor spec bumps.

Looks like you were right! ✌

 

[unoporfavor]

I think the biggest thing many here should learn from this is that if the rumors aren’t clear, it probably isn’t coming in a month 🤷🏼‍♂️

If only this site was called 'Mac substantiated upcoming products'

 

[MyopicPaideia]

There are still too many people in these forums who think the incoming 13-inch refresh will be a new 14-inch model in some glorious encore to last year's 16-inch Pro. Let's look at the reasons why this is not true:

1) Ming Chi Kuo - acknowledges the existence of a 14" Pro but claims it will be Q4 2020 at the earliest, and that this is because the 14" display part Apple has commissioned is mLED. Kuo has a tendency to be optimistic about Mac timeframes, so I can see this easily being 2021. Either way, it's definitely not the May refresh

2) There is no benefit to 14" - Apple didn't grow the 15" model to 16" for fun, they did it because they were struggling with thermal limitations in the 15" chassis. The 16" throttles less than its predecessor and has a much superior graphics part. This is why Apple didn't wait until the next redesign. A 14" Pro doesn't enable any meaningful change in performance or solve a major problem, so there is no point retooling mid-life.

3) mLED + ARM = 2021 redesign - This is more speculation on my part, but I believe that all MacBooks will transition to Apple's own chips in 2021. The latest report mentioned the existence of three A14-generation Mac chips, and I see those being one each for the 12" MacBook (first out the gate), and 14" and 16" Pros. This is the perfect time to redesign the Pro to show off the benefits of ARM and mLED, both of which are very efficient technologies. This means that the incoming 13" refresh could be the last for this design cycle, making it seem rather wasteful to make major modifications.

And...your were exactly correct. Well done.
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It seems more likely we will get a 11-12" ARM MB powered by an X series chip with a regular Retina IPS panel. Maybe in 2021 or 2022 we will see Mini LED. I think the transition to ARM will not be all at once. The MBP will probably get at least one more refresh before the transition to ARM. Maybe we will see AMD as well, as APU codenames surfaced in a recent 10.15 Dev preview build, though it could be just Apple testing it in a lab somewhere. I think the lower end machines will be ARM, while the MBP16 and iMac Pro and Mac Pro will stay x86 for a while longer before finally switching.

Just wanted to chime in that Apple has to go all in with the ARM transition, otherwise it will fail. If they start with just the Macbook and/or MBA, there will not be a smooth transition. Devs have to know this is for real and there is no turning back. If/When it happens, they will be using a wrecking ball, not a chisel, in order to make a clear statement that this IS the future of Mac, not a testing of the waters to see if people are on board. Same goes for if they go AMD instead.

 

[MF878]

And...your were exactly correct. Well done.
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Just wanted to chime in that Apple has to go all in with the ARM transition, otherwise it will fail. If they start with just the Macbook and/or MBA, there will not be a smooth transition. Devs have to know this is for real and there is no turning back. If/When it happens, they will be using a wrecking ball, not a chisel, in order to make a clear statement that this IS the future of Mac, not a testing of the waters to see if people are on board. Same goes for if they go AMD instead.

Yes, I agree with you on that 100%. Apple has always favoured ripping the band-aid off so to speak. The key advantage of Apple’s vertically integration is that they can move quickly and decisively, which can be painful for devs and users in the short term, but the pain ends much sooner. Compare that to what would likely happen if ARM grew to be the dominant architecture for Windows, which I can only imagine would be a long and arduous process that would still be causing irritation a good few years after Apple has already put the pain behind them.

 

[Queen6]

I believe the same, Apple will move to it's own silicon as fast as is reasonably possible for multiple reasons. IMO The 16" was a stopgap, mostly to reduce the negative perception of the company due to the Butterfly Keyboard debacle, as the 15" models look to be more prone to failure at greater cost. The new 2020 Air & 13" are the bare minimum again mostly to rid Apple of the keyboard stigma and negative press.

Apple likely want's to focus it's resources allocated to the Mac on the next generation at this point in time, not dwell on outgoing technology. ARM will undoubtedly result in some dropping the platform, equally for the vast majority Apple will ensure that the transition is relatively seamless, potentially picking new customers who want tighter integration with IOS.

Is all a waiting game now to see how the first wave of ARM based Mac's performs and to what capacity, with such a move being very much Apple's style...

Q-6