The 16GB iPhone is NOT a ripoff

[Surf Donkey]

From 2010, but still relevant (just replace Jobs with Cook):

 

[warrior2000]

Hold up an S6 edge next to an iPhone 6 and then tell me there is no difference.

Also I'd be interested in your definition of a 'normal guy on the street'. People are much more tech literate these days than they used to be.

The people I believe you are referring to that can't tell the difference are the elderly, mums and children. Actually scratch that I reckon children could notice the difference.

The Edge screen is larger, so it will make a bigger impact.

But as far as picture quality from a normal viewing distance, very little difference. I haven't read a single review that said the Edge6 display is leagues better than the 6.

 

[warrior2000]

From 2010, but still relevant (just replace Jobs with Cook):

Curious.

But from all data Apple users are more wealthy, educated, and more intelligent than Android users.

And why are you even on this site? If you are not an Apple fan why are you here? Makes no sense. I don't go hanging around Samsung message boards to criticize their products and fans.

 

[geoff5093]

Exactly.

And that would crush Apple's profits.

Crush? No. Yes it would lower then slightly but they still make plenty of money on the 16GB model. There comes a point though when Apple needs to make changes in the customers favor, such as now when 16GB is just barely cutting it.

And I will ask again, how does Apple offering 32GB as standard effect you in a negative way? Why do you care about Apple's profit margin?

 

[bradl]

No premium phone in 2015 should have 16GB. Just as no Mac should be shipped with 4GB RAM or 64GB SSD storage or a single core CPU.

I doesn't matter if there still people who are not that demanding. (I personally still own and use a 16GB iPhone). It is just inappropriate and it is there only to improve profit margins. 16GB phone will inevitably cause a frustration and bad customer experience

Read this blogpost:

https://david-smith.org/blog/2015/09/10/16gb-is-a-bad-user-experience/

Here's what a lot of people don't get, and I'll sum it up in one question:

Who said the 16GB model is geared toward consumers?

Honestly.. has anyone here thought about the enterprise market? Businesses with project managers, IT departments, inventory analysts, all the way down to floor salesmen handling sales of products all use the 16GB model. Not only does it make it perfect for businesses, but is easy to be centrally managed, deployed, and maintained Easy access to the PM's email, projects, and notes that they need when working on a project. Salesmen having info at their fingertips for the products they are showing to potential clients..

None of those people in those positions need 64GB or 128GB of space on their phone. In the Enterprise environment, the 16GB model works out perfectly, so as far as that model goes, it will always be around. So people need to stop looking at that model from the consumer mindframe, and start looking at it from the enterprise mindframe.

BL.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Curious.

But from all data Apple users are more wealthy, educated, and more intelligent than Android users.

Not trying to start a flame war, back off. I like Apple products, why else would I be here? I also like technology in general.

Why are you die hard Apple fanboys so damn defensive? Why do you think you are better than everyone? This is such a sick twisted blowhard viewpoint I can't understand. You make yourself look shallow and the brand you love so much.

 

[geoff5093]

Curious.

But from all data Apple users are more wealthy, educated, and more intelligent than Android users.

And why are you even on this site? If you are not an Apple fan why are you here? Makes no sense. I don't go hanging around Samsung message boards to criticize their products and fans.

Expensive products = limited availability to the low income users.

It's not saying anything that people buy iPhone's because they are smart, and Android because they aren't, but simply because Android is more affordable. Especially in poorer countries.

 

[Rigby]

But you may say who cares if Apple makes $37 billion instead of $40 billion. That's still alot of money. But you should care. Because if Apple's profits begin dipping, even a little it could damage the company. Just look at late 2012 and early 2013. The stock tanked 45% in a matter of 6 months. Why? Because profits were down. Were they down 40%? Down 50%. No. The profits were down a mere 5% and the stock tanked big time.

But why as a consumer should I care about Apple's stock price? You should care because the stock price has a DIRECT EFFECT on the quality of product Apple can produce. For most of the top talent that works at Apple, 90% of their compensation is from stock options. So if the stock tanks or is flat their pay will be drastically effected.

I'm now deeply worried about the financials of Apple and their top executives and stockholders. I'll make sure to leave a $100 donation for them at the Apple store when I pick up my phone (and of course get the 16GB iPhone, because I won't be able to afford the 64GB anymore).

 

[warrior2000]

FACT: There are many people on this planet that only need the performance of an A5 Chip in their iPads.

FACT: There are many of these people as the iPad Mini 1 sold very well into 2015 as the best selling iPad Mini Model.

So based on your logic, why the hell is Apple selling the base iPad Air 2, iPad Pro and iPad Mini 4 with A8 and A9s if a lot of people only need an A5 chip

*Disclaimer, I don't believe in this logic, just trying to mirror what the OP is trying to argue*

dont understand your logic

 

[geoff5093]

Here's what a lot of people don't get, and I'll sum it up in one question:

Who said the 16GB model is geared toward consumers?

Honestly.. has anyone here thought about the enterprise market? Businesses with project managers, IT departments, inventory analysts, all the way down to floor salesmen handling sales of products all use the 16GB model. Not only does it make it perfect for businesses, but is easy to be centrally managed, deployed, and maintained Easy access to the PM's email, projects, and notes that they need when working on a project. Salesmen having info at their fingertips for the products they are showing to potential clients..

None of those people in those positions need 64GB or 128GB of space on their phone. In the Enterprise environment, the 16GB model works out perfectly, so as far as that model goes, it will always be around. So people need to stop looking at that model from the consumer mindframe, and start looking at it from the enterprise mindframe.

BL.

And how would Apple catching up with the times and making 32GB standard effect the enterprise in a negative way? Exactly, it won't. It's a win-win for consumers and enterprise.

 

[warrior2000]

Profit and revenue means nothing when Apple is ruining the customer experience with stunts like 1GB of ram in the iPhone 6 and the 16GB base model for the 6S.

Apple is meant to be renowned or user experience NOT profit. Arguably their profit has come from offering products that have the best user experience possible.

LOL.

And the iPhone6 has a 99% satisfaction rating. Sure, really ruining the experience.

 

[warrior2000]

And how would Apple catching up with the times and making 32GB standard effect the enterprise in a negative way? Exactly, it won't. It's a win-win for consumers and enterprise.

Why stop there? Why not make the entry level model 64GB? Or 128GB? Why not right?

 

[geoff5093]

dont understand your logic

Doesn't surprise me that you don't.

What he's saying is that just because you don't see a use for 32GB doesn't mean everyone feels the same. In his example, if someone only does web browsing and texting, there is no need for 2GB of RAM and an A9 processor, why not just use a lower end CPU?

 

[C DM]

Why stop there? Why not make the entry level model 64GB? Or 128GB? Why not right?

Why not make it 8 GB and make even more money? Why not right?

 

[geoff5093]

Why stop there? Why not make the entry level model 64GB? Or 128GB? Why not right?

Uh, because it's not needed yet? Gradual steps bro, gradual steps.

 

[oldmacs]

dont understand your logic

I'm glad, because you then don't understand your own.

You said a lot of people find 16GB fine, just as I say a lot of people found the A5 chip fine (iPad Mini 1 sales back this up), so I said, why doesn't Apple then sell an A5 device as the bottom tier for all their devices, just like with the 16GB - Why should apple 'ruin' its bottom line by making A8 and A9 chips when the A5 chip will do for many people, as you say the 16GB will do for people? Everyone who needs more than an A5 should just have to pay more right?

That's an argument constructed using the same logic as you.

 

[warrior2000]

No premium phone in 2015 should have 16GB. Just as no Mac should be shipped with 4GB RAM or 64GB SSD storage or a single core CPU.

I doesn't matter if there still people who are not that demanding. (I personally still own and use a 16GB iPhone). It is just inappropriate and it is there only to improve profit margins. 16GB phone will inevitably cause a frustration and bad customer experience

Read this blogpost:

https://david-smith.org/blog/2015/09/10/16gb-is-a-bad-user-experience/

Bad user experience for some but not all.

iPhone 6 has a 99% user satisfaction rating. If 16GB was such a big deal satisfaction would not be so high.

Tech bloggers can spew all they want. But bottom line is they have no idea how the 400,000,000 iPhone users use their phone. The only one who does is Apple who can monitor the free GB of storage on every iPhone on the planet.

 

[Pez555]

The Edge screen is larger, so it will make a bigger impact.

But as far as picture quality from a normal viewing distance, very little difference. I haven't read a single review that said the Edge6 display is leagues better than the 6.

Until you have used a different 'premium' smart phone as much as you have used an iPhone you have no leg to stand on when it comes to comparisons. Don't bother reading reviews myself. I prefer to get 'real world usage' (just quoting you there).

I own a 16gb iPhone 6, and I will tell you why I bought it - because it was the cheapest model.

Sure I would love 32gb to be base storage. But what Apple would effectively do by offering 32gb as base is allow carriers to make the 32gb more expensive than the 16gb currently is.

There is no doubt in my mind that these days 16gb is simply not enough with the demands storage needs for apps/photos etc. the reaso why 16gb is the best selling is simply because it is the cheapest.

Still waiting for your definition of the 'average guy' though.

 

[warrior2000]

Uh, because it's not needed yet? Gradual steps bro, gradual steps.

Nope. You will need 128GB if you are recording more than 4 hours of 4k.

And while you are at it why not drop the price to $550? Why not?

My point is Apple is running a business not a charity.

 

[warrior2000]

Until you have used a different 'premium' smart phone as much as you have used an iPhone you have no leg to stand on when it comes to comparisons. Don't bother reading reviews myself. I prefer to get 'real world usage' (just quoting you there).

I own a 16gb iPhone 6, and I will tell you why I bought it - because it was the cheapest model.

Sure I would love 32gb to be base storage. But what Apple would effectively do by offering 32gb as base is allow carriers to make the 32gb more expensive.

There is no doubt in my mind that these days 16gb is simply not enough with the demands storage needs for apps/photos etc. the reaso why 16gb is the best selling is simply because it is the cheapest.

Still waiting for your definition of the 'average guy' though.

Thats like saying until you drove a Kia you have no idea if its better than a BMW. LOL.

An average guy is exactly that. Some dude on the street who knows nothing about contrast ratios and black levels.

 

[edlex]

It's amazing how people pull numbers out of a hat an no one contests it.

The app clearly states that a 4k video uses 375MB a minute. 1GB is a gross exaggeration. You can record 30 minutes of 4k video using 12 GB of space. Are you really going to keep half an hour of video on your iPhone?

I stand corrected, although, a hat was not the place I pulled that number out of. The place is much further south

 

[C DM]

Nope. You will need 128GB if you are recording more than 4 hours of 4k.

And while you are at it why not drop the price to $550? Why not?

My point is Apple is running a business not a charity.

Same slippery slope "logic" runs the other way around.

 

[iGrizzly]

My point is Apple is running a business not a charity.

This is the truest thing you've said. And I think most people responding to your silly logic agree with this statement as well.

But to go from this to saying 16GB is good for the customers, that's quite a leap in logic.

 

[bradl]

And how would Apple catching up with the times and making 32GB standard effect the enterprise in a negative way? Exactly, it won't. It's a win-win for consumers and enterprise.

Why offer something that would/could be completely overkill to enterprise operations? Most ops that are needed:

VPN - done.
Mail - done.
RDP client - done.
Apps for sales - done.
Office Communicator client - done.

That, along with the OS push you over 8GB, but well and truly under 16GB. 32 would be more than what is needed for most enterprise operations, and if managed properly by IT, not even used at all. So wasted space on a properly controlled and centrally managed device would be money wasted by a company's budget, not a win for both.

BL.

 

[warrior2000]

I'm glad, because you then don't understand your own.

You said a lot of people find 16GB fine, just as I say a lot of people found the A5 chip fine (iPad Mini 1 sales back this up), so I said, why doesn't Apple then sell an A5 device as the bottom tier for all their devices, just like with the 16GB - Why should apple 'ruin' its bottom line by making A8 and A9 chips when the A5 chip will do for many people, as you say the 16GB will do for people? Everyone who needs more than an A5 should just have to pay more right?

That's an argument constructed using the same logic as you.

I explained this already.

The A5 cannot do touchID, ApplePay, 64 bit games, and who knows what else Apple has in store.