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The 2013-2014 Football Thread
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I always have to think of Tilpots when I see Müller.
Is it a compliment?
consider Müller has as many WC goals as Eusebio, Rossi, Seeler, Rummenige and Baggio i think it might be hard to interpret differently
I always have to think of Tilpots when I see Müller.
Is it a compliment?
Love that guy. And def a compliment. He's almost as good an athlete as I.
Germany controlled that game start to finish. We had a decent go at the end, but I'm just happy we're thru. Hats off to Germany and good luck against Algeria. I think you guys will go far. SURVIVE AND ADVANCE!!!
Beaten by a superb shot from Muller. I'm disappointed we were beaten but expected it. At least it was a close game, and USA are through!
I think USA's team spirit and work ethic saw them through. They worked hard for each other, didn't lose their heads and never gave up. You can't say the same about Portugal and Ghana.
Suarez: We need to have context when discussing this...what he did was weird, foolish and damnable, but not as violent or dangerous as, say Eric Cantona's Kung-Fu kick, A Lee-Cattermole leg-snapper or anything Joey Barton has ever done. It would be totally unfair to ban him for life, as Taylor Twellman has suggested on ESPN. Too many people are becoming overly sanctimonious about this. Suarez is your classic flawed star, years from now people will still talk about the biting - but also about his fabulous goals.
Suarez is a bit mad. But madness is tolerated in football if it is coupled with talent, which Suarez has in spades. I was ready to let him go last summer. He was huge for us, but if we can get a good price I am still ready to let him go. We can't afford to lose him to these bans every season, even if he makes up for it numerically in terms of strike rate when he does play.
I think USA's team spirit and work ethic saw them through. They worked hard for each other, didn't lose their heads and never gave up. You can't say the same about Portugal and Ghana.
Suarez: We need to have context when discussing this...what he did was weird, foolish and damnable, but not as violent or dangerous as, say Eric Cantona's Kung-Fu kick, A Lee-Cattermole leg-snapper or anything Joey Barton has ever done. It would be totally unfair to ban him for life, as Taylor Twellman has suggested on ESPN. Too many people are becoming overly sanctimonious about this. Suarez is your classic flawed star, years from now people will still talk about the biting - but also about his fabulous goals.
Suarez is a bit mad. But madness is tolerated in football if it is coupled with talent, which Suarez has in spades. I was ready to let him go last summer. He was huge for us, but if we can get a good price I am still ready to let him go. We can't afford to lose him to these bans every season, even if he makes up for it numerically in terms of strike rate when he does play.
I was surprised about the US not attacking more consistently after the German lead?? 2:0 would have hurt them much less than a 2:1 by Ghana at that time. Quite curious..
Agreed, LordBlackadder. It's a sad case really, mostly because of the stupidity involved.
Agreed, LordBlackadder. It's a sad case really, mostly because of the stupidity involved.
Re Suarez:
If a kid bites another kid twice in preschool he's thrown out. Regardless. Ban him for life.
If a kid bites another kid twice in preschool he's thrown out. Regardless. Ban him for life.
Man, I wish I'd gone to your preschool. (looks at scars)
I dunno, I just see the Suarez biting stuff as embarassing/silly rather than truly shocking/evil. A life ban sounds very harsh. If Suarez deserves a life ban Marco Materrazzi should have been given two, and Joey Barton should have been hung, drawn and quartered years ago.
EDIT: One more thing on Suarez - Liverpool should consider keeping him at least until January. We need to get him scoring goals in the Champions League, that ought to bring his value back up so we can sell him on for maximum profit. Someone will buy him, and pay good money too. Russia perhaps?
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Life ban is never going to happen unless the player pulls a gun on or stabs an opposing player.
Liverpool might as well keep him at this point anyway. I think only Barca are still interested for £50m + Sanchez. But Suarez himself may be fed up with the British media (even if they're aren't the culprit this time) and be looking for an escape
Everyone else is recoiling. Madrid are apparently no longer fussed. Then again that might be due to them potentially landing Falcao.
Liverpool might as well keep him at this point anyway. I think only Barca are still interested for £50m + Sanchez. But Suarez himself may be fed up with the British media (even if they're aren't the culprit this time) and be looking for an escape
Everyone else is recoiling. Madrid are apparently no longer fussed. Then again that might be due to them potentially landing Falcao.
Print the tee shirts, 'It isn't like he used a chainsaw you know - Support Luis'. Uruguay going with the worn 'He's the victim.'. How does that help? What does it say to him? He's been warned more than once, increased ban and do what can be done to help. There was a time last season when it could've been said he was getting it together, maybe he will get there with more help. If he can't, longer bans as he ages will see a sorry end to an already chequered career.
Cheers,
OW
Cheers,
OW
It's an incident that allows everyone in the world to be outraged and sanctimonious and naturally everyone's piling it on. Low hanging fruit. Nobody seemed this upset when Benzema and Ribery slept with an underage prostitute...
Uruguay look ridiculous by defending Suarez. Liverpool have been through that twice and I don't want to go though it again. It makes for sensational TV but it stinks for the team.
Weirdly (or perhaps not), Joey Barton has been sort of defending Suarez in the press.
Uruguay look ridiculous by defending Suarez. Liverpool have been through that twice and I don't want to go though it again. It makes for sensational TV but it stinks for the team.
Weirdly (or perhaps not), Joey Barton has been sort of defending Suarez in the press.
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What happens if he pulls aTyson and does real damage to someone thru a bite, Hannibal Lecter style? He's a liability to the game and his team. He's a great footballer, no doubt,but I'd consider teeth a weapon more so than a fist, elbow or foot. There's a whole different level of intent going on there. You have to want to put somebody else's body in your mouth. It's not a defensive reaction or a customary swing at your opponent. It's animalistic and I can't see why there's a place for it in the game. I guess really for me, it comes down to what's acceptable behavior on the pitch. Fighting I'm ok with, biting I'm not. Not sure where I draw the line, but for me, Suarez definitely crossed it.
I just get a chuckle out of the resulting memes and gifs. And of course the overreaction theatre and biased defence that usually follows.
But personally i couldn't care less either way. That may just be my general apathy towards the social/political dynamics of contemporary football in general talking but meh.
I don't condone the antics of course because everyone should be treated with a base-level of respect on the pitch regardless of emotion. But you won't find me playing the moral-high-ground-PR-stunt card either.
But gd luck to LFC or whichever club take ownership of him next. At the very least he'll bang in goals for you in compensation. Well...in 4 months time that is.
But personally i couldn't care less either way. That may just be my general apathy towards the social/political dynamics of contemporary football in general talking but meh.
I don't condone the antics of course because everyone should be treated with a base-level of respect on the pitch regardless of emotion. But you won't find me playing the moral-high-ground-PR-stunt card either.
But gd luck to LFC or whichever club take ownership of him next. At the very least he'll bang in goals for you in compensation. Well...in 4 months time that is.
The world sports media would experience a collective orgasm.
Biting is bizarre (and there is no place for it in the game), but trying to hurt somebody is wrong, period. Fighting is not OK. The method is incidental. Heatbutting, punching, forearms, kicking, bad-tackles - just because those are more 'conventional' forms of violence does not make them any less wrong than biting in my mind. I wonder if Eduardo would rather have been bitten than had his leg snapped in two. I'll bet he would. But it seems many people disagree - breaking someone's nose with a deliberately aimed forearm or ending a career with an intentional nasty, mean-spirited tackle certainly doesn't seem to generate the same kind of "ban him for life" horror that Suarez's ridiculous antics have.
It's left me slightly puzzled. Judging by the reactions coming from fans/FIFA/the media, Suarez's biting is just about the worst thing that has ever happened in world football that hasn't involved a fatality.
I just hope Liverpool refrain from defending him in any way this time. He whined about not being in the Champions League last summer and now he's robbed himself of the chance to play in three Champions League matches. Smooth move, Luis.
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Ha!
I see where your coming from. Violence is wrong in all forms. Agreed. But for me, this is outlier stuff. If a guy had put his thumb up an opposing players arse for the third time, I'd want him gone too. As a player, there has to be some level of what is acceptable and what is not. It's also the third time. If you complete a vicious tackle or flagrant elbow and have already served multi-month bans for those offenses, surely there is a point where the organizing body says "no more." That player is a danger to other players by merely stepping on the pitch. If Zidane had head butted three guys like he did Materazzi, he'd cross my line, too. But, what the hell do I know? It's just my opinion. I'm not up in arms or anything. I guess I really just find the whole incident weird, bizarre actually.
Back to the great sport of FOOTBALL.
Compliments to the USA, I really thought that they deserved a draw. It shows just how far US football has advance in the last decade or so.
Portugal out is no real surprise, they only just manage to qualify via the backdoor of the playoffs.
The African teams, although good individual players, they never make great teams, both on and OFF the pitch something always derails them.
Compliments to the USA, I really thought that they deserved a draw. It shows just how far US football has advance in the last decade or so.
Portugal out is no real surprise, they only just manage to qualify via the backdoor of the playoffs.
The African teams, although good individual players, they never make great teams, both on and OFF the pitch something always derails them.
piling on yeah, that is going to happen in this day and age. if he'd bit someone in the 70's or before, hell even the 80's, it probably wouldn't have gotten as much trade. but 2014 ? everyone is gonna have a say and it is going to be heard, seen, read by millions and millions and that is going to make it even bigger. the zidane head-butt blew up big and that was only a few(8?) years ago, think how much bigger it would be today!
but either way, that isn't how you conduct yourself on the pitch. well, i guess it is if you're 5 yrs old
i like watching him, not his antics, when he plays so i think it is a shame that he can't control himself.
Agreed Pachy. But even in the late 90s early 00s it wasn't nearly as bad as todays internet driven lynchmob. Kahn had several outbursts of madness on the pitch, biting included, yet he's our pundit on the Copa Cabana..go figure.
Not going the excuse silly Suarez, how could one, but I agree fully with LordBlackadder.
Not going the excuse silly Suarez, how could one, but I agree fully with LordBlackadder.
It was the same with Cantona and Barton. Re Benzema and Ribery, maybe if it had happened in the centre circle?
Other forms of attack are punished, it isn't just Suarez; Cantona given an 8 month ban plus community service on appeal - originally 2 weeks in jail, Barton received a 12 match ban after a game v Manchester City, FIFA have given 8 match bans for incidents during internationals - including World Cup. The Suarez/Evra incident, and Croatia's Simunic - 10 match, words and gestures. Also, being the third bite cannot be discounted.
Cheers,
OW
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Ryan Giggs, United's assistant manager, added: "Luke is a very talented young left back with great potential.
"He has developed immensely during his time at Southampton and has all the attributes to become a top player."
Madness. Sheer madness.
Hope he does well.
This is why I am not complaining about the punishment; he's done it twice before, so it can't be seen as an isolated incident.
Re Suarez, sorry, I have to comment on it again, but yesterday I heard something funny.
Michael Schulz, a defender (243 plays in the Bundesliga from '87-'97 and nationalteam player '92/'93) said, that you do stuff during matches, but biting someone, is not something that naturally comes to your mind, in the days it was totally normal to spit on each other, blow in other's ears or grab the balls and "string" of a player behind you and Giovanne Elber was famous for the last.
Funny how the perspective of a player is here.
Interesting no one in this thread mentioned the 90day ban against Beckenbauer, recently, regarding Quatar and Russia. The ban was taken back today and he is allowed to visit the WC, but he said he won't. The media said, the team must play without his support. I am glad they meant it with a tone of irony and not really mean, that he is important to any person.
Not that it matters, but I tipped exact right on the outcome of the last Swiss match.
I get the idea this is a very exceptional WC, looking at the current line up or am I just forgetting the other cups attenders and maybe to much looking at the 8th finals.
Also, I realized, that due to GER possibly facing France, that they have an even better chance of really going to the half final. I'm not so sure, though, if they will make it further.
Michael Schulz, a defender (243 plays in the Bundesliga from '87-'97 and nationalteam player '92/'93) said, that you do stuff during matches, but biting someone, is not something that naturally comes to your mind, in the days it was totally normal to spit on each other, blow in other's ears or grab the balls and "string" of a player behind you and Giovanne Elber was famous for the last.
Funny how the perspective of a player is here.
Interesting no one in this thread mentioned the 90day ban against Beckenbauer, recently, regarding Quatar and Russia. The ban was taken back today and he is allowed to visit the WC, but he said he won't. The media said, the team must play without his support. I am glad they meant it with a tone of irony and not really mean, that he is important to any person.
Not that it matters, but I tipped exact right on the outcome of the last Swiss match.
I get the idea this is a very exceptional WC, looking at the current line up or am I just forgetting the other cups attenders and maybe to much looking at the 8th finals.
Also, I realized, that due to GER possibly facing France, that they have an even better chance of really going to the half final. I'm not so sure, though, if they will make it further.
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