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Pheww, pure slapstick. One of the most ridiculous games I've ever witnessed.
But wasn't it the most entertaining / exciting 0:0 of all matches? It had speed all the time and a lot of positive "shock" moments followed by "phew, now that just went good".

Germany (and Bayern) did what they always do, against supposedly weaker teams or underdogs. They have big trouble and against the so called better teams, they shine.
Both teams had deserved the win and it was really fun (not as in laughing) to watch.
On the other matches... they all seemed usual for Germany, playing good against a praised Portugal, playing helter-skelter-like against a naged about Ghana, winning just so against a suguested weak US. Everyone will see France as one of the stronger teams (only because of history, bot because of recent years) and Germany will win much easier, then in the other matches and so it will go on as always and then they will loose the 1/2final or this time the final (maybe against a diving Robben).

I am still not sure, if Schürrles back heel trick was really intended, he said it was and that he had done the same against Cameroon in the friendly 3 weeks ago, but... hm, I don't know. (Did Özil and Boateng shout angry at the fans, after the lucky Özil goal, maybe because of the criticism? I was wondering there).

RE Löw, I am two sided on it. It seems his swaps in the Ghana match were good, but on the other hand it might just have been luck or freshness of the new players. I don't know.
"Tactically inflexible" = heh, at least we now play 4-3-3 instead of 4-2-3-1 ;)

On the Italy match 2012, I think Podolski and Gomez were just the wrong decision from the start. Also in that time and after that Boateng often was to slow or did fowl a lot, risking and getting cards. I am realy surprised, how different (and better) he plays this time.

Also, I find Mustafi doesn't look that bad, as people say, I think the mistake against Ghana just repercusses here. He was also always fullfilling, what is expected from a German wing defender, when attacking, be the last player on the right next to the goal box, to assist. But, if no one passes to him (like in the Ghana match), he can't look as good, of course. Also, didn't he block some balls, (if it was not Neuer ;) ) in the ALG match?

The TV commentary said this morning, that when Lahm was put in the defense and Khedira next to Schweinsteiger, that that didn't make the defense better (or that it even worsened it, after the defense had become better), which is interesting, given how much everyone seemed to have called for this setup.

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On the whole Brazil topic. It depends on what you want to see. If you are fine with long balls on Neymar or Hulk all the time, that's ok, they do everything right (with limited abilities), but, if you think modern players have to be able to quickly make a chain of passes and also move around an attacking player, without loosing the ball, you might not like Brazil this time. I agree on you, that it was already known, that Brazil is weak this time, before the match. I also think I remember that during friendlies arround 2010 they said Brazil was too weak and that this was just a transition phase.
I don't understand, why in the Chile match they didn't play more on Hulk in the last minutes. That belongs to a good player, too, seeing if their might be a better option, rather than sticking to the "pattern Neymar". (Like Neuer, being in serious trouble, but still seeing that he has to quickly make a long ball on Schürrle, who is almost alone in the front. He didn't have time, to realy think a lot there).

Other teams, weaker than Brazil? Have you not seen how Mex. players moved around NED players, still keeping the ball, back and fourth 1-2m. Just one player. It didn't show against Brazil, but against NED you could see they have some superb technical players.
Mexico looked technically more advanced against the NED, than Brazil against Chile! IMO.
Same for Chile, they can't just counter attack or play 3 passes and are through, they can also keep the ball, when another player almost stays at their foot or get it back without bad tackling just fiddling the foot tip in, when running next to another player.
Columbia, not winning against Brazil? Hm, maybe, but on the other hand, they were organized at the back, need few chances and did both attack quick and defend. (From my view). Btw. I tipped right on the 2:0 against Uruguay. :)
But it might very likely be again more luck than quality for Brazil.

Oh, and Costa Rica, they deserve all the cheers for advancing with one man down. On the other hand Greek did look quite good given all the old players.

I am the least of knowledgable on the football matter, but that's just how my impressions were.

I feel, like I had done Chile and all other teams a bad luck :D and influenced the outcome, because I wanted to look, what the possible 1/2final against GER would be and just scribbled on a paper BRA-Col (though I wanted Chile), NED-Costa (though I wanted Mex), F-D on the paper (filling in the gaps between the lines I had drawn). I didn't do that for Switzerland-Arg. and US-Belg. and I hestitate to do that now. :D Of course, I know, I am not that important for the universe... ;)


And the last note, did someone see the interview with the Algerian player after the match. His head was smoking (head hot and air cold). Funny. I wonder, if that was as transparent on a LCD flatscreen (I still have a big Tube).
 
CoxOrange,

Mustafi is no left back, he really can't play that in the offense and defense. He has next to no international experience and seems to be a talented center back - most of the people I know never heard of him before he even got invited, myself included. He's lost on the left back. As is Höwedes on the right actually who is even played on the wrong side to top that. He did get the ball at the beginning of the Ghana match sometimes but doesn't know what to do with it. Can't blame the others avoing him after some time. Mustafi the same. Lost the ball easily up front and hasn't got the speed to come back to defend properly. Ridiculous and the coach is here to blame. Every single attack of Algeria was played on his side.

best joke was that Löw said he couldn't do with regular left/right side defenders because they would be too attacking, yet his versions are standing up front with no-one passing to them because they can't cross, shoot, pass, dribble etc. and are endangering our whole setup when losing the ball (what happened quite frequently).

/end rant, lol



Of course did I see superior teams to Brazil. I meant direct opponents. Haven't seen one until now (am I missing one, too many games!) - Croatia was on par. So can't say they didn't deserve it really. But just my opinion of course. Nothing wrong with disagreeing *fatgrin*
 
Spirit and energy can only take you so far...

EDIT: Oh now then...

EDIT2: Nope.

USA's lack of technique in the final 3rd was painful to watch. You have to wonder if they've really benefitted from Donovan's omission from the squad.

That said, Tim Howard and Yedlin the men of the match.
 
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I'm really proud of our boys! We never give up, we play our way out of trouble and we are not as limited a side as some like to paint us. Few gave us a chance to get out of the group and we were a whisker away from the quarterfinals despite missing a couple key players and with our best outfield player out of form.

Cons: poor finishing and not enough ability to keep the ball. Bear in mind we were missing Altidore - Premier League fans will chuckle but he was excellent in qualifying and I still have faith in his abilities.

Great goal from Green too. This is why Donovan was left out - to give young players like Green priceless tournament experience at a young age. Klinsmann is taking a long view.

Tim Howard was the best player on the pitch today by a mile, a legendary performance from our man on his 104th cap. There have been some great goalkeeping performances in this tournament but this was the best, and I would argue that there is no keeper playing today who is better than Tim Howard.

Belgium have such an embarrassment of riches in talent, players who can change the match on their own. Argentina will not be as hard to break down as the USA but they will also be much more deadly going forward. Today was a big test of Belgium's attack - next time it will be their defense that must play a world-class game.

I think this campaign vindicated Klinsmann and I'm looking forward to the next World Cup. We will be even better next time.

EDIT: The current talk re: Suarez is that Barca will give us £80m plus Alexis Sanchez. No idea how close to reality that rumor is but that sounds like an excellent deal for Liverpool - and if he behaves himself going forward he might be a huge player for Barca.
 
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Great game, the only downers were the commentary by bitter :eeek: Danny Murphy and the greed of the Belgium players. Nice USA free kick, nearly topped Argentina 1998.

Edit; 80m + Sanchez would be nuts by Barcelona. Is Sanchez willing to move to Anfield? Will he bring his shorts?

Cheers,
OW
 
I heard a rumor that Lahm demanded a midfield role against Algeria - any truth to this?

Great game, the only downers were the commentary by bitter :eeek: Danny Murphy and the greed of the Belgium players. Nice USA free kick, nearly topped Argentina 1998.

I had the US commentary. Were the English glum?

Edit; 80m + Sanche z would be nuts by Barcelona. Is Sanchez willing to move to Anfield? Will he bring his shorts?

That would be madness by Barca but the Spanish teams do have form in this area. I suspect the real figure is lower but nothing would shock me.

Please bring the shorts, Alexis.:D
 
I had the US commentary. Were the English glum?

I think osci is talking about Murphy's incessant criticism of the 2 Central Midfielders...especially Fellaini. And the Manager's failure to sub them.

It got old quick.

That said i don't really blame him. Murphy was a veteran CM, so i can understand his harsher criticism of those who play in that position. A bit like Shearer on Fred. And Hansen on defenders in general.
 
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On another note, it seems Lallana has completed his switch to Anfield.

looks like Southhampton is now turning their players into gold just at the right moment

31 mio euros for Lallana... simply hilarious, the english player tax strikes again... and he is already 26 as well. I would have said 12 million euros tops

PSG has bought Cabaye for 14 million
 
I heard a rumor that Lahm demanded a midfield role against Algeria - any truth to this?

Sounds legit. But scratch that "against Algeria". Officials say, like they mostly do, the German teamspirit couldn't be better - heavily doubt that personally. In fact, sadly, quite the opposite.

Lallana, Shaw: madness continues. Do they generate that much revenue merchandise, marketing wise that those prices are somewhat legitimate? Bale, Ronaldo you could at least argue that they do. But even Bale even less so.

Sanchez to Pool? Would love that. Origi to Dortmund then...won't happen with their signings but would love to see him in the BL. Hertha *cough, cough*

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And what an incredible match yesterday! Was rooting for Belgium all the way but was thinking of you guys, too. US came a long way.
 
After last nights match, the USA finally becomes a football nation, and no longer an afterthought, like 1994.
In the end Belgium just edged it, but it wasn't as easy as thought it was going to be.

I expect the world will see more of team USA in the future.
 
looks like Southhampton is now turning their players into gold just at the right moment

31 mio euros for Lallana... simply hilarious, the english player tax strikes again... and he is already 26 as well. I would have said 12 million euros tops

PSG has bought Cabaye for 14 million

Lallana, Shaw: madness continues. Do they generate that much revenue merchandise, marketing wise that those prices are somewhat legitimate? Bale, Ronaldo you could at least argue that they do. But even Bale even less

Southampton is now an EPL club and a relatively successful one at that. So they can afford to milk others that are interested in their players. It's not like the lower division days where they needed the money and could be priced down.

Everyone and their mother knows Shaw and Lallana are overpriced but LFC and United have the money and like their English players. It's gd for the English team I suppose...or at least that's the PR justification.

As for Sanchez I'm reading that he prefers to stay at Barca but if forced to move prefers to go to the Emirates. Which means LFC might have to look at Pedro or Tello instead. But who knows. Now that Chile are out things should play out soon.
 
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Everyone and their mother knows Shaw and Lallana are overpriced but LFC and United have the money and like their English players.

Paying 60m+ for two top talents who showed more or less nothing internationally yet = madness. Liverpool has the money, yes, but only one Suarez to sell only once so often. They need a Gerrard and Suarez replacement - that's gonna cost. Talented OMs aren't rare - at least good left backs are.

But anyway, I don't care.
 
I'm really proud of our boys! We never give up, we play our way out of trouble and we are not as limited a side as some like to paint us. Few gave us a chance to get out of the group and we were a whisker away from the quarterfinals despite missing a couple key players and with our best outfield player out of form.

Cons: poor finishing and not enough ability to keep the ball. Bear in mind we were missing Altidore - Premier League fans will chuckle but he was excellent in qualifying and I still have faith in his abilities.

Great goal from Green too. This is why Donovan was left out - to give young players like Green priceless tournament experience at a young age. Klinsmann is taking a long view.

Tim Howard was the best player on the pitch today by a mile, a legendary performance from our man on his 104th cap. There have been some great goalkeeping performances in this tournament but this was the best, and I would argue that there is no keeper playing today who is better than Tim Howard.

Belgium have such an embarrassment of riches in talent, players who can change the match on their own. Argentina will not be as hard to break down as the USA but they will also be much more deadly going forward. Today was a big test of Belgium's attack - next time it will be their defense that must play a world-class game.

I think this campaign vindicated Klinsmann and I'm looking forward to the next World Cup. We will be even better next time.

agreed. Demarcus Beasley played very well too!
 
agreed. Demarcus Beasley played very well too!

He was great in all of his World Cup 2014 appearances! Shame we won't see him again in 2018. Howard, Beasley and Yedlin were all "on" yesterday.

Fortunately Bradley showed up too. The team relied on him too much and he was inconsistent at best.

IMO USMNT's 2018 hopes depend on building a stronger midfield, and learning how to play the possession game.

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I had the US commentary. Were the English glum?

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As per Kariya. No problem with criticising Fellaini re tracking a player, most knew before the game and mentioning it twice is enough for those who didn't. 'Give it a rest' is a polite way of putting it. Think the Belgian picked up the second ball, was there as an out for the defence, played the simple ball to retain possession, made an important tackle on the edge of the box, and was in the USA's box - including one of the times Vertonghen should've played it earlier. Not great, game winning, shout about, but not useless - tracking aside; Murphy capped it when Fellaini cleared with a header at the end, 'First thing he's done.'.

Glum is around Mark Lawrenson territory.

Cheers,
OW
 
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He was great in all of his World Cup 2014 appearances! Shame we won't see him again in 2018. Howard, Beasley and Yedlin were all "on" yesterday.

Fortunately Bradley showed up too. The team relied on him too much and he was inconsistent at best.

IMO USMNT's 2018 hopes depend on building a stronger midfield, and learning how to play the possession game.

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i felt like we needed to support bradley more. seemed to me he didn't have anyone show for him. or not show enough for him. just mho.
 
i felt like we needed to support bradley more. seemed to me he didn't have anyone show for him. or not show enough for him. just mho.

I think Jermaine Jones stepped up and provided some great offensive play alongside Bradley at times. He's a more versatile player than I originally gave him credit for.

USA lacks flair players; Dempsey sometimes fills that role and Donovan at his best did the same. But beyond that we are more athleticism and commitment than pure talent.

Talent and flair can't be taught. USA has always been better than the sum of our parts; Klinsmann has enhanced that quality and it is our defining feature. But to take the next step we need to bring through young players with lots of raw talent and higher potential that can capitalize on the team's hard work. And finding them will take a little luck.
 
Belgium played german, a 1000 chances and 2 goals... :rolleyes:

It was so great to watch. For the US it must be even more bitter that in the last 15min. of ET they had two chances that actually were a must to get in and maybe one would blame it on not being cool enough or on weaker technique or maybe just lack of concetration after such a long time. Jones had to make that last one and the nice free kick with the passes up to the goal keeper should have been easily in the box as well, or maybe not? I don't know, but one has to feel so.
Some might argue Belgium had deserved the win more, because they are better, because they are so technically advanced and per the pure number of chances, but isn't football also about a hard working team that manages a win, even with limited abilities? (I mean not the Chelsea or Greek style, though, one wwould not speak of limited abilities here...), and you can't say that Belgium just didn't use their many chances, because the US was doing nothing but building a defense block, for my taste they played very much more like a team who's winning strategy is attacking all the time over rigid defense + 2 single counter attack actions. I guess a US win, would have looked more deserved than one of those teams winning, that just build a block before the box and sometimes just rout one long ball to a single striker (these are the matches boring to watch).

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has one already mentioned Kroos is going to Real Madrid (according to spanish paper "Marca")?

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I heard Suarez is seen as a vicitim in Uruguay and he has gotten support by big people, who tried to influence the FIFA judgement, including the president of Uruguay :eek:, (though I have to agree his opinion about the FIFA and the swearwords he used ;) )

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I know it is a bit late, but I heard Robben said in a dutch interview, that in minute (the minute before the penality) he just acted smart. So, he even himself says, it was acting. (Nevertheless, the first of the three fouls, would have been a penalty, still. But, if it had been that early, I wonder, if it not might have had a positive influence on Mexicos commitment - not saying they were not 100% committed over the whole match, anyway.)
 
France, Costa Rica, Argentina and Colombia are my preferred winners in this upcoming round. I hope Belgium push Argentina hard to show that USA were no chumps though.

I heard Suarez is seen as a vicitim in Uruguay and he has gotten support by big people, who tried to influence the FIFA judgement, including the president of Uruguay :eek:, (though I have to agree his opinion about the FIFA and the swearwords he used ;) )

I think Uruguay's defense of Suarez has more to do with politics and history than a cool evaluation of the biting incident. Uruguay are circling the wagons to protect their best player. I imagine that many Uruguayans are privately disappointed.

I'm rubbing my hands with glee at the prospect of 70+ million pounds and Alexis Sanchez though. Suarez's last act as a Liverpool player could prove a big boost for the club in this transfer market.

I know it is a bit late, but I heard Robben said in a dutch interview, that in minute (the minute before the penality) he just acted smart. So, he even himself says, it was acting. (Nevertheless, the first of the three fouls, would have been a penalty, still. But, if it had been that early, I wonder, if it not might have had a positive influence on Mexicos commitment - not saying they were not 100% committed over the whole match, anyway.)

No matter how he tries to sell it, he's still a diver. It's something that, like Suarez and his biting, has become an integral part of Robben's reputation as a footballer.

I don't think his dives ultimately affected the outcome of the Mexico game (though you could make the argument that he should have gotten a yellow for diving in the first half - after which he might not have gone down so easily for the winning penalty...), but they certainly haven't made him any friends.

I like the Dutch squad an would like to see them win the WC except for two things: Robben's diving and the new Man Utd. Manager. ;)
 
Of course, he is still a diver, but it is also cheeky of him. As you say, it has become an intrinsic part of his playing and his understanding of the game, which shows, he isn't even aware, that someone could find it cheeky, to say it directly into a camera.
France, Costa Rica, Argentina and Colombia are my preferred winners in this upcoming round. I hope Belgium push Argentina hard to show that USA were no chumps though.(...)

France? That means Germany is out... hm. :) I am not sure: if I was asked to choose between, (what people have seen as bad performance), France-Nigeria and Germany-Algeria, I would take Germany over France anytime.
Also, I would think Germany would be more interesting to see against Columbia later (if Brazil doesn't win, which I hope).

I would think that Argentina is an easier task for Belgium, than the US was.
 
apart of the netherlands vs costa rica game i think the other quarter finals are evenly matched

France vs Germany will be quite a tactical battle ... the french have to be careful and play it cool and not to be lured into playing high up the pitch after a few minutes with Germany sitting deep.
France has more more energy in the midfield (pogba, matuidi,cabaye) at the moment but they have to be careful not to get carried away and open up too much space in the back.
Will be a close game i think.

Argentina vs Belgium will also be entertaining ... the argentinian defense vs the belgian attack ? not to forget the slapstick keeper Romero.
 
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But to take the next step we need to bring through young players with lots of raw talent and higher potential that can capitalize on the team's hard work. And finding them will take a little luck.

Could do worse than find athletes who were too short to make it in pro basketball.

But that's not what's turned it for the US in my opinion: it's the fans. The US seems to have hit the critical mass of well-informed and fanatical fans, and that's what drags in more casual fans. I think the US team is marginally better than it was ten years ago, but the fans and fan culture is 1000% what it was in 2002.

That's what the World Cup is for most countries: knowing that your team is unlikely to win, but cheering it on with thousands of your fellow citizens wearing face paint or strange costumes. There'll be a lot of people who've seen the big viewing parties who have quietly resolved that they want to be in on that next time.
 
happened in the first half

I know it is a bit late, but I heard Robben said in a dutch interview, that in minute (the minute before the penality) he just acted smart. So, he even himself says, it was acting. (Nevertheless, the first of the three fouls, would have been a penalty, still. But, if it had been that early, I wonder, if it not might have had a positive influence on Mexicos commitment - not saying they were not 100% committed over the whole match, anyway.)

The 'swalbe' that Robben mentioned in this interview happened in the first half, so it had NO influence on the outcome of that game! Foreign media have been manipulating this interview for their own hype! :rolleyes:

HUP HOLLAND!!! :D
 
just wanted to write a posting about how germany switching their starting line up (+klose - götze, + khedira - mertesacker) might catch france on their wrong foot ... and they already score a very important early goal by the time i logged on
 
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