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The 2015-2016 Football Thread

dogslobber said:
Where's the sense in a soccer season made up of multiple World Champions? The team that wins that post-season FA Final has the same prestige as the regular season divisional group winners. It would make more sense if the winners of the 4 divisions were the post season playoffs. Then the fans might understand it.



I've no idea what you mean here.
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You don't know what you are talking about so why don't you do everyone a favour and go read up before you post again.

So trying to compare other nations sports to hand egg, no one cares for your frooty rugby.

If you do continue to post without educating yourself I'm sure you are doing you're countrymen proud.
 
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dogslobber said:
Where's the sense in a soccer season made up of multiple World Champions? The team that wins that post-season FA Final has the same prestige as the regular season divisional group winners. It would make more sense if the winners of the 4 divisions were the post season playoffs. Then the fans might understand it.
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Your post is incomprehensible. What are you talking about?

Or maybe you just cannot comprehend or don't understand a complex series of competitions with a rich and storied and variegated history.

Seriously, fans in the UK - and elsewhere in Europe - understand this perfectly well. They have no problem understanding this whatsoever.

Anyway, for those of us who delight in the improbable and delightful victory of the underdog, at the triumph of hope and optimism, and graft, and team work, and charm and eccentricity - let us salute the wonderful and improbable victory of Leicester.
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Ironduke said:
You don't know what you are talking about so why don't you do everyone a favour and go read up before you post again.

So trying to compare other nations sports to hand egg, no one cares for your frooty rugby.

If you do continue to post without educating yourself I'm sure you are doing you're countrymen proud.
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Fair enough. Thanks for enlightening me.

Seriously, @dogslobber - inform yourself of what is happening and - maybe, just maybe you might understand why this is important and wonderful, and transcendental (the victory of the dogged underdog against rich, powerful, obscenely wealthy unaccountable and arrogant teams)- or else, please sod off.

And @dogslobber - another thing, I couldn't give two hoots about the nfl. This is not a model I am remotely interested in emulating. And, it is irrelevant in this context. Above all, tonight.

This is a night to celebrate.
 
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The irony of course is that the US has its own equivalent of the FA Cup in the US Open Cup, which has continually been played for over a century.

MLS has its own season and playoff structure, but the Open Cup is separate.

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From the Guardian's sum-up of Leicester's campaign:

In the violently stratified air of modern-day Big Football, a triumph like this seemed not just remote but impossible. The website Sporting Intelligence has calculated Manchester United have spent more on new players in the two-year reign of their current manager than the new champions have in their entire 132-year existence.
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It's worth repeating this, because while Leicester are not without some controversy here and there, and while they are owned by the proverbial foreign billionaire, this league campaign is nothing like the title runs we have seen from the usual suspects over the last 20 years.

balamw said:
The irony of course is that the US has its own equivalent of the FA Cup in the US Open Cup, which has continually been played for over a century.
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Third oldest tournament in world football...
 
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Ironduke said:
You don't know what you are talking about so why don't you do everyone a favour and go read up before you post again.

So trying to compare other nations sports to hand egg, no one cares for your frooty rugby.

If you do continue to post without educating yourself I'm sure you are doing you're countrymen proud.
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Yeah, whatever. Just remember the USA has won three soccer world series titles whereas you brits have only won once, 50 years ago.
 
dogslobber said:
Yeah, whatever. Just remember the USA has won three soccer world series titles whereas you brits have only won once, 50 years ago.
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"Yeah, whatever?"

Seriously? Is this unimaginative, ungenerous, uninformed and ungracious response all you can come up with, on a night such as this?

What on earth is a world series title in soccer? Can't say I have ever noticed it…….

(And 'Brit' takes a capital letter - most of the time……)

And, why oh why do you persist in posting tedious and tiresome and irrelevant nonsense on one of the most joyful, delightful and downright wonderful nights that the world's oldest association football league competition has ever experienced?
 
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dogslobber said:
Where's the sense in a soccer season made up of multiple World Champions? The team that wins that post-season FA Final has the same prestige as the regular season divisional group winners. It would make more sense if the winners of the 4 divisions were the post season playoffs. Then the fans might understand it.



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you do seem confused.
"The World Champions", as such, are the (national) team which wins the FIFA World Cup. Currently Germany.
nobody else.

there are of course 'world champions' in other sports, including in football/soccer at Club level, but those need always be qualified by defining adjective(s) (e.g. the FIFA Club World champions (club team), FIBA world champions (national team), Cycling road world champion (individual), and so on.

most certainly the winners of Britain's top league (the English Premier League, EPL) would never define themselves as 'world champions'. that would be utterly ridiculous.
Sticking to football/soccer, even the winners of the most important club trophy in he world, the UEFA Champions League (UCL), are just European Champions.

In most european countries, including England, there are two main tournament, a Championship and a Cup, typically the Championship is by far the most important one and identifies the national 'champions' the winners of the Cup are just that: cup's winners. Usually the championship has a 'regular season' structure, with no post season and no divisions. Everyone plays everyone else twice (formats vary in different countries) while the Cup has more of a knock-off format (again formats will vary from place to place).
Winning or placing well in these domestic tournament guarantees a berth in one of next years' european tournaments (UEFA Champions League, the Europa League) while placing at the bottom will relegate the team to a lower division (to be replaced by the winners of the lower division)

Thus, in England, the 'Champions' are the winners of the EPL, Leicester this year.
The structure of this tournament has no 'post season': whoever has the best record at the end of the season (equivalent to the regular season in american sports) are the Champions.
Then, teams ALSO vie for honors in additional tournaments like the FA Cup and others of varying importance. in addition, some teams will also participate -if they qualified- in continental competitions, like the aforementioned Champions League, the Europa League, and so on.

so a good team might compete for multiple trophies: the national championship, the national cup, the european championship, the club world championship and others.

very rarely the same team can claim all these trophies at the same time: only 7 teams ever won the european "treble" (national title, national cup, european championship): Celtics, Ajax, PSV, ManU, Barcelona (2x), Inter, Bayern. Of these, only 5 went on to win also the club world championship: Ajax 71-72, Manchester United 98-99, Barcelona 08-09 + 14-15, Inter Milan 09-10, Bayern Munich 12-13
 
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balamw said:
The irony of course is that the US has its own equivalent of the FA Cup in the US Open Cup, which has continually been played for over a century.

MLS has its own season and playoff structure, but the Open Cup is separate.

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I love the mls but i hate the open cup and the mls play offs.
 
dogslobber said:
This is confusing. Your post-season "FA Cup Final" is different from your regular season and can end up with TWO different winners. That's insane and is it any wonder Americans could care less about soccer?
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I'm confused as to why you are posting in this thread?

Do you actually follow football? MLS, Prem... any football?

The Prem is set up beautifully. The best team is the champion at the end of the season. There is no convoluted play off series that involves 6-8 teams, half of which that clearly don't belong, in the post season a la the NFL, NHL, NBA, and sadly the MLB these days.

Their promotion and relegation system is great. It wouldn't work here, but that is beside the point.

Speaking of promotion:

THE MASSIVE SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY are in the play off!
 
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pachyderm said:
I love the mls but i hate the open cup and the mls play offs.
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Open Cup contest is great fun. Just like the FA it's great to see how far the minnows can go. All depends on what mood the soccer gods are in.

The MLS conferences and playoff structure also makes sense when you consider the enormous scale of our country and the relatively small number of professional soccer teams. If Sheffield Wednesday had to fly out to Moscow (not quite NYC to LA) for regular season games, you'd want conferences and playoffs too!

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balamw said:
Open Cup contest is great fun. Just like the FA it's great to see how far the minnows can go. All depends on what mood the soccer gods are in.

The MLS conferences and playoff structure also makes sense when you consider the enormous scale of our country and the relatively small number of professional soccer teams. If Sheffield Wednesday had to fly out to Moscow (not quite NYC to LA) for regular season games, you'd want conferences and playoffs too!

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I hate the MLS post season b.s. The Open Cup I think I could love if I could see more of it.
 
mojolicious said:
Aren't the USA, in USWNT form, also currently considered "the World Champions" (for the third time)?
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Women's Word Champions, unfortunately for our MNT.

Just like FC Bayern Munich has clinched the Women's title in Germany while the Men's First Team could still potentially lose it to Dortmund. :p

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dogslobber said:
This is confusing. Your post-season "FA Cup Final" is different from your regular season and can end up with TWO different winners. That's insane and is it any wonder Americans could care less about soccer?
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I think it's insane that NFL games go on for 3 hours and only have 11 minutes of action.

Still, I don't go into NFL threads talking about how the rest of the world will never care about american football.
 
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pachyderm said:
I hate the MLS post season b.s. The Open Cup I think I could love if I could see more of it.
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I'm OK with the conference playoffs, and the East/West MLS Cup.

Really.

I can't see another way to manage a 20-40 team league in a country of our size. I believe that Australia has the same problem and a similar solution with the A-League.

I think we're ultimately heading towards turning the current conferences plus expansion into their own regional leagues to meet FIFA's 20 team league size recommendations rather than national promotion/relegation... (Hopefully without any "Eastern" US teams in the MLS West or vice versa.)
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TheRainKing said:
I think it's insane that NFL games go on for 3 hours and only have 11 minutes of action.
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The action is all in the 45 minutes of commercials!

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mojolicious said:
Aren't the USA, in USWNT form, also currently considered "the World Champions" (for the third time)?
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nope, they are 'world champions' in their sport, or the "FIFA Women's World Champions", just like the USA are also "FIBA world's champions", and world champions in several other disciplines. :)

but 'THE world champions', with no qualifiers attached, would only apply to the winners of the World Cup.
the most important trophy of the most popular sport on the planet, by a long shot.
 
dogslobber said:
Considering the title of this thread contains "Football" and not "Soccer", you'd expect it to be talking about NFL.
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Not in Europe. Or South America. Or Asia……Or Africa…..or anywhere outside of North America, really….

In The Rest Of The World, the word 'football' is used is interchangeably with the word 'soccer'.

We preface the qualifying proper noun 'American' before the noun 'football' when describing what I think you may be possibly trying to confuse it with, whether deliberately or not, is something about which I am still unclear.
 
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pachyderm said:
THE MASSIVE SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY are in the play off!
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Boro seem to have stalled and Brighton sounded awful against Derby today, and whichever one of those two ends up in third place has got to be vulnerable in the first leg at Hillsborough.

Don't panic said:
nope, they are 'world champions' in their sport, or the "FIFA Women's World Champions", just like the USA are also "FIBA world's champions", and world champions in several other disciplines. :)

but 'THE world champions', with no qualifiers attached, would only apply to the winners of the World Cup.
the most important trophy of the most popular sport on the planet, by a long shot.
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Hmmm. Not convinced by that. I'd say that the winners of the world championships in *any* sport are, by definition, 'the world champions'.

And in football, the holders of the World Cup are usually (in the UK, at least) referred to as just that: 'the World Cup holders'.
 
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dogslobber said:
Considering the title of this thread contains "Football" and not "Soccer", you'd expect it to be talking about NFL.
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why?
pretty much everywhere else other than the US, Football and Soccer are the same sport. what you refer to as 'football' is elsewhere called "American Football".
In fact, the FIFA equivalent is called International Federation of American Football (the USA are current IFAF World Champions, btw)
 
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