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Well fortunately you are in the top 5! Of course one of those teams looks like it’s going to miss out on a CL spot.
Man Utd will be lucky if they even get a sniff of 5th. How the mighty have fallen :)

I think that fourth spot will be a contest between ourselves and Chelsea which will probably last until the final day of the season - there is next to nothing between the teams; Spurs - despite having lost more matches than Arsenal - are still a better team (as of now) than are either Arsenal or Chelsea, although that could change.

However, while I think Arsenal a strong contender for fourth, I cannot see them placing higher than third.

And, needless to say, Liverpool and Manchester City are both considerably better again.

Re Manchester United, even under Sir Alex, the story was about the club, not the manager, unlike at present. They really need to find a way to rid themselves of Jose Mourinho - he is utterly toxic and negative, and almost invariably makes the story all about him.
 
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I think that fourth spot will be a contest between ourselves and Chelsea which will probably last until the final day of the season - there is next to nothing between the teams; Spurs - despite having lost more matches than Arsenal - are still a better team (as of now) than are either Arsenal or Chelsea, although that could change.

However, while I think Arsenal a string contender for fourth, I cannot see them placing higher than third.

And, needless to say, Liverpool and Manchester City are both considerably better again.

Re Manchester United, even under Sir Alex, the story was about the club, not the manager, unlike at present. They really need to find a way to rid themselves of Jose Mourinho - he is utterly toxic and negative, and almost invariably makes the story all about him.
Agreed. The sooner he leaves the PL the better.
 
Terrific victory for Liverpool; the gulf in class between themselves - as a team with a focus and vision and the means to deliver it - and Manchester United was laid painfully bare this afternoon.
 
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It feels so long since Liverpool managed to beat Man Utd, even in seasons when they were the better team. Today Liverpool dominated, though they were wasteful with some of their early chances. I was stressed out for the whole match but in retrospect it was a comfortable win for Liverpool and yesterday's total pessimism was unfounded.

Shaqiri continues to look like the bargain of the century, he brought that extra couple percent of skill needed to ice the match. He is rapidly becoming one of my favorite players to watch, whether in a Liverpool or Switzerland shirt. Mane's goal was brilliant - yes, Man Utd's defense were too open on the play, but it as still a lovely pass, chest-down and volley.

Reams will be written about Alisson's mistake, but just as some people went way overboard in praising his save against Napoli, in the broader context of the match he was still excellent - taking the sting out of the odd Man Utd attack, showing calmness and control, distributing the ball well. 99 times out of 100 Alisson will gobble up that ball without an issue. He has also shown an ability to bounce back mentally from mistakes in a way Karius could not. Moreover, you can't go into a match against any team in the top 10 in the league and expect a clean sheet. I see nothing to worry about here, even if it was painful to see the opposition gifted a goal from a routine play.

Where the HECK is Pogba? There was a statue or cardboard cutout or something on the bench that looked like him. That whole saga has gotten completely out of hand. Mourinho looks completely checked out. He still has plenty of vitriol left in him, but this is not the Mourinho who won the three titles he keeps bringing up.

Also, the number of goals Man Utd have conceded this season surely has a lot to do with de Gea being merely world-class this year rather than superhuman, as he had been for a couple seasons previously. His play concealed some of Mourinho's failings early on.

Unlikely result, but entertaining game (for the neutral).

Arsenal's injuries in defense really loomed large here. I don't think there was much Emery could have done different, but you can't be leaking three goals and expect to get anywhere. I will be surprised if Arsenal don't bring in some defensive cover in January - even if they come in the form of young or journeyman players. They need bodies back there.

The Ozil affair is also a real fly in the ointment at the moment. He is not absolutely crucial to Arsenal's prospects, but as with the Pogba situation at Man Utd it is ludicrous to have a player of his quality just sitting around for other than injury reasons...he played in this match, and was neither good nor bad, but he should be starting because he is a potential match-winner. Whatever is going on there needs to get sorted out.

I think Danny Ings deserve a lot of credit here, and I'm thrilled to see him playing well. He showed a couple promising flashes at Liverpool and I think he could have been a regular off the bench, and starting in cup matches for the Reds until he picked up those terrible injuries. I did not want to see him go, but at least he is finding his stride at Southampton. Best of luck to him.
 
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Man City have been handed the easiest of last-16 fixtures in the CL; Liverpool face Bayern.

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Arsenal's injuries in defense really loomed large here. I don't think there was much Emery could have done different, but you can't be leaking three goals and expect to get anywhere. I will be surprised if Arsenal don't bring in some defensive cover in January - even if they come in the form of young or journeyman players. They need bodies back there.

The Ozil affair is also a real fly in the ointment at the moment. He is not absolutely crucial to Arsenal's prospects, but as with the Pogba situation at Man Utd it is ludicrous to have a player of his quality just sitting around for other than injury reasons...he played in this match, and was neither good nor bad, but he should be starting because he is a potential match-winner. Whatever is going on there needs to get sorted out.

I think Danny Ings deserve a lot of credit here, and I'm thrilled to see him playing well. He showed a couple promising flashes at Liverpool and I think he could have been a regular off the bench, and starting in cup matches for the Reds until he picked up those terrible injuries. I did not want to see him go, but at least he is finding his stride at Southampton. Best of luck to him.

Having had half a season to work with his porous defence, (and having to deal with injuries in defence), I don't doubt that Emery will begin to address those defensive deficiencies in the January transfer window.
 
Breaking news: Manchester United have just fired José Mourinho.

The official statement issued by the club merely stated that "Manchester United has announced that Jose Mourinho has left the Club. We would like to thank him for his work during his time at Manchester United and wish him success in the future. #MUFC".

"Left the club": One assumes that means fired or sacked. It did not say "left the club by mutual consent".

However, this was inevitable and comes as no surprise. Apart from the results, the extravagant purchases, the negativity, and the leaden style of play, Mourinho rarely lasts three seasons and he may have lost the dressing room, even if he hasn't departed in his usual explosive and dramatic manner.
 
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Definitely fired

Club are looking to appoint a caretaker manager until the end of the season

As much as he had to go, both the board, and the players, have to share the responsibility of the club's woes
 
Definitely fired

Club are looking to appoint a caretaker manager until the end of the season

As much as he had to go, both the board, and the players, have to share the responsibility of the club's woes

While the board (who just see the club as a vehicle or instruct for the generation of income, oblivious to, or disinterested in, its tradition and history) must bear some blame, and many of the players have been missing in action for months, the bottom line is that Mourinho himself is mainly to blame for this, as throughout his time at Manchester United, he espoused a nihilistic and negative style of football and that players regressed or were diminished under him, rather than growing and developing as players and people.

Mourinho has a long history of losing the dressing room prior to his occasionally acrimonious departure from clubs, and an even longer one of not developing or nurturing young talent.

However, his corrosive negativity diminished even the stars he recruited, and his infamous Third Season Syndrome has finally caught up with him.
 
Oh thank heaven he was finally sacked. I was really worried the board would stubbornly stick with him well into 2019.

This has to be the first of many changes made at United.
 
I'm glad to see him go, an early Christmas present.

Well, as you probably have gathered from my previous posts on the matter of Mr Mourinho, I am more than pleased to see him depart (and to have been compelled to depart); I never liked his corrosive personality or the narcissistic negativity he brings to every position he holds, and I think that - while he probably doesn't yet realise it, as his self-regard is so over-weening - but I think that his day as a trend setting and ground breaking manager has long passed.
 
Mourinho was a cancer, but he is not the root of the problem. The ownership are the cause of the club's issues. All they have ever done is enjoy the fruits of Ferguson's labors, and the stable foundation they inherited. They have not demonstrated they can improve or even maintain the club's status in the post-Ferguson era. Once the revenue starts to decline, they will have nothing to boast about and have no plan to turn things around.
 
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Mourinho was a cancer, but he is not the root of the problem. The ownership are the cause of the club's issues. All they have ever done is enjoy the fruits of Ferguson's labors, and the stable foundation they inherited. They have not demonstrated they can improve or even maintain the club's status in the post-Ferguson era. Once the revenue starts to decline, they will have nothing to boast about and have no plan to turn things around.

But they are not interested in Manchester United except as a vehicle or platform for the generation of further income.

Also - this pretty much clinches the theory of third season syndrome for Mourinho.

Yes, definitely.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...appointed-caretaker-manager-manchester-united

So, "the Babyfaced Assassin" - Ole Gunnar Solskjær - is appointed caretaker for Man Utd, to replace Mourinho...


Will it go the way of Cardiff, or can he - under the mentoring of Ferguson - take Man Utd closer to the top?

No, I very much doubt that he can.

However, he may be able stop the corrosively negative rot, craft some sort of team spirit into the team, and offer a steady hand at the managerial controls until summer.
 
No, I very much doubt that he can.

However, he may be able stop the corrosively negative rot, craft some sort of team spirit into the team, and offer a steady hand at the managerial controls until summer.

Solskjær is a placeholder, man with zero expectations placed on him (apart, I suppose, from avoiding relegation), so he really has little to do, though I am sure he will back himself to make a case to be the next permanent Man Utd manager.

The Glazers tried Ferguson's hand-picked successor; that was a failure. They then went after two of the biggest managerial "names" in football in Louis van Gaal and Mourinho...no dice. My concern is that now they might actually have to think this through and make a solid appointment.
 
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Solskjær is a placeholder, man with zero expectations . placed on him (apart, I suppose, from avoiding relegation), so he really has little to do, though I am sure he will back himself to make a case to be the next permanent Man Utd manager.

The Glazers tried Ferguson's hand-picked successor; that was a failure. They then went after two of the biggest managerial "names" in football in Louis van Gaal and Mourinho...no dice. My concern is that now they might actually have to think this through and make a solid appointment.

The Guardian seems to think that they will attempt to recruit Mauricio Pochettino; moreover, he, himself, was a little more coy in the answers he gave when asked about the vacant managerial position in Old Trafford than might otherwise have been the case if he felt he had a (genuinely rewarding professional relationship) and/or future with Spurs.

He may well feel that he has taken Spurs as far as he can, at least as long as current budgetary constraints apply.
 
No, I very much doubt that he can.

However, he may be able stop the corrosively negative rot, craft some sort of team spirit into the team, and offer a steady hand at the managerial controls until summer.
A lot of commentators here in Norway are pointing out that Man Utd has been underperforming this season, not in small part because of discontent in the squad. OGS is - in many ways - the opposite of Mourinho: He's calm, he talk's up player's and he likes his teams attacking. If he makes the squad enthusiastic, and pull together as a team (with the arguably talented squad they possess), there's a fair chance they'll perform better in the second half. Basically: They cannot do any worse...

The Guardian (again) are on to some of the same here: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...nar-solskjaer-manchester-united-profile-molde

I'm really curious on how they'll perform this holiday season, where there's 4 "easy" matches (5 counting the FA cup). Can OGS pull of a perfect record before they are going to London to meet Spurs? If so - anything can happen, I think... (remember what happened when di Matteo took over Chelsea... ;))

With another meh-season for Everton, this (and to a lesser degree Joshua King's form in Bournemouth) are the only thing worth following for this less and less enthusiastic Norwegian football fan...
 
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