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what a surprising unfolding of events at Old Trafford now, how did the security let or not prepare for those supporters who went into the stands? They are really upset at Glazer and listening to Gary Neville about the owners never meeting the players was exactly what is wrong with the global and financial growth of this sport.
 
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what a surprising unfolding of events at Old Trafford now, how did the security let or not prepare for those supporters who went into the stands? They are really upset at Glazer and listening to Gary Neville abut the owners never meeting the layers was exactly what wrong with the global and financial growth of this sport.
Just checked on the score and saw this. It will have zero impact though. The Glazers aren’t interested in what the fans think. Just their profit. Typical of all the greedy six owners.
 
The protesters stepped over the line, but it’s impossible for me not to sympathize with their mood (if not their actions).

Local fans are being left behind as the game becomes more stratified and that has never been more apparent than with this ESL affair. And these fans are the ones that stand to lose the most. Add to that Man Utd fans’ long-running dislike of the Glazers and this outcome is all but inevitable.
 
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What happened at Man United was hardly a riot but it is another nail in the coffin of the ESL. It’s just getting more and more toxic to sponsors who are the people the clubs will pay attention to.
 
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what a surprising unfolding of events at Old Trafford now, how did the security let or not prepare for those supporters who went into the stands? They are really upset at Glazer and listening to Gary Neville about the owners never meeting the players was exactly what is wrong with the global and financial growth of this sport.

I thought the ESL thing was all settled and abandoned. No?
 
I thought the ESL thing was all settled and abandoned. No?

It depends if you trust any of the people in charge.
I would say until fan groups get some form of control it’s been kicked down the road.
hopefully it’s bought enough time for Real and Barca to go to the wall and the need for it to happen is reduced.
 
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I think given the reaction the ESL is dead in the water in its current form. There is no way English clubs (I can’t speak for the rest), are ever going to accept any league without promotion or relegation. It’s just not in our dna.
 
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Whatever it was, that protest at Old Trafford could end up in the long run forcing the association football teams in England to go to the Deutsche Fußball Liga model of team ownership.
Hard to get back to that from where we are though? What would you do? Force foreign owners to hand over the property they own? Can’t see how that would ever be legal, even if it’s desirable.
 
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I think given the reaction the ESL is dead in the water in its current form. There is no way English clubs (I can’t speak for the rest), are ever going to accept any league without promotion or relegation. It’s just not in our dna.

This version of the ESL is dead, but the campaign of self-described 'super clubs' to create a closed European Super League will continue. The most likely route now is for 'super clubs' to continue to try and alter the Champions League format in a way that makes it increasingly easy for them to qualify, and harder for them to drop out. Over time this could easily evolve into a nearly closed league.

Hard to get back to that from where we are though? What would you do? Force foreign owners to hand over the property they own? Can’t see how that would ever be legal, even if it’s desirable.
Never say never. I think we need to look at ways we can move towards a model that takes some inspiration from the 50+1 model (which is a good idea, but obviously not quite good enough given Bayern's dreary dominance).

Fighting the ultra-rich is hard, they alway have a big advantage. But the alternative is to let them have their way, and I say screw that. And yes, ultimately I think fans have a claim to some of that property. Maybe not legally, but morally and ethically. And that should matter.
 
This version of the ESL is dead, but the campaign of self-described 'super clubs' to create a closed European Super League will continue. The most likely route now is for 'super clubs' to continue to try and alter the Champions League format in a way that makes it increasingly easy for them to qualify, and harder for them to drop out. Over time this could easily evolve into a nearly closed league.


Never say never. I think we need to look at ways we can move towards a model that takes some inspiration from the 50+1 model (which is a good idea, but obviously not quite good enough given Bayern's dreary dominance).

Fighting the ultra-rich is hard, they alway have a big advantage. But the alternative is to let them have their way, and I say screw that. And yes, ultimately I think fans have a claim to some of that property. Maybe not legally, but morally and ethically. And that should matter.
I think you are wrong. They won’t be able to go ahead with a closed ESL format. They misjudged how against it everyone was (in the U.K.). I think there is a real desire to see at least done part of club ownership in the hands of the fans. If they do manage it, then no one wants to see the closed system. Yes I know it’s how things are done in the US but here we have a completely different philosophy on it. I for one am grateful for that!
 
I think you are wrong. They won’t be able to go ahead with a closed ESL format. They misjudged how against it everyone was (in the U.K.). I think there is a real desire to see at least done part of club ownership in the hands of the fans. If they do manage it, then no one wants to see the closed system. Yes I know it’s how things are done in the US but here we have a completely different philosophy on it. I for one am grateful for that!
I agree, but note that I wrote a 'nearly closed' league. Now that they see people are totally against an explicitly closed league, they will look at ways they can bias the competition format without technically excluding anyone.

The FA Cup is already like this. "Anyone could win it!" announcers like to crow...this is part of the supposed 'magic of the Cup' - which is theoretically true but practically speaking it's a steaming load of you-know-what.
 
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I agree, but note that I wrote a 'nearly closed' league. Now tht they see people are totally against an explicitly closed league, they will look at ways they can bias the competition format without technically excluding anyone.

The FA Cup is already like this. "Anyone could win it!" announcers like to crow...tis is part of the supposed 'magic of the Cup' - which is theoretically true but practically speaking it's a steaming load of you-know-what.
Well we last won it as a second division team (championship equivalent). But yes not too many non league sides make the final.
 
Looks like the Glazers are doubling down on doing the things that make fans hate them - they aren't going anywhere and plan to build Man Utd into a 10 billion dollar business. And that's really all they see the club as.

Interesting to see how this plays out. Local fans are really at risk of losing the club to global business interests - and this isn't just happening at Man Utd.
Ominous, but one that is increasingly (and, I fear, inevitably) the way of the future, especially for large clubs cursed with the sort of foreign ownership that has scant regard for club history or traditions, let alone local sentiment or support.
Also meanwhile Sheffield Wednesday players haven't been paid for April...
Appalling.
 
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